PrimarchsOutOfTen Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Hi Brothers, We all know how Horus' rebellion ends, and for all those who don't know the details - there are likely to be big spoilers on this thread! Anyhow, when we get to the 'final' chapter of the actual insurrection, and the duel to end all duels - which author would you like to see telling the story? With so many great contributors to the Black Library I know opinions will be divided, but if you have a favourite - who is it and why would they cover it best? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Rik Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Graham McNeill, without a doubt. I'm not really sure of a specific reason to give, and as this is a thread for people's opinions, I don't intend to try to argue my point or win anyone over. I just think he is a brilliant authour, with a brilliant, but worryingly twisted mind, and creates amazing imagery and tells his stories in such an amazing way that really makes it exciting to read. I don't think I've read a single novel of his that I got bored with and put down. Also, it might be interesting to add a poll to this thread, to see how the votes split at a glance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 A D-B shall write it. None else have the ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Rik Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 A D-B shall write it. None else have the ability. Oooh! That's an idea. Forgot about him! (Sorry A D-B!) He would be really good too! Okay, change my vote to either McNeill or Dembski-Bowden! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khestra the Unbeheld Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 I doubt it will be handled with a single book, so chances are good it will be several authors of note chiming in from different POVs about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimarchsOutOfTen Posted March 5, 2011 Author Share Posted March 5, 2011 I doubt it will be handled with a single book, so chances are good it will be several authors of note chiming in from different POVs about it. I think you may be right, but I will throw my tuppence in and suggest Ben Counter for the grand finale! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Rik Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 I doubt it will be handled with a single book, so chances are good it will be several authors of note chiming in from different POVs about it. At the risk of flooding this thread with posts from me, but going by what you say there Khestra, I reckon there's three main viewpoints for the showdown between the Emperor and Horus (more if you open it up to the Battle for Terra, but for arguments sake I'll stick to this scenario) - Horus (well, Sons of Horus), the Emperor (probably from one of the Custodes' views), and the Blood Angels (likely one of the onlooking captains). We could therefore see the positions of the Horus and Emperor viewpoints being given to the Black Library's veteran big hitters, and therefore we'll have another Abnett-McNeill tag team situation, with the Blood Angels side being told by whoever writes the Horus Heresy Blood Angels book(s) (for which A D-B would be a nice conclusion to the triumvirate.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Bill King, Because he wrote the final showdown in 2002. Did people forget about Assault on Holy Terra already? I feel old now. -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimarchsOutOfTen Posted March 5, 2011 Author Share Posted March 5, 2011 I doubt it will be handled with a single book, so chances are good it will be several authors of note chiming in from different POVs about it. At the risk of flooding this thread with posts from me, but going by what you say there Khestra, I reckon there's three main viewpoints for the showdown between the Emperor and Horus (more if you open it up to the Battle for Terra, but for arguments sake I'll stick to this scenario) - Horus (well, Sons of Horus), the Emperor (probably from one of the Custodes' views), and the Blood Angels (likely one of the onlooking captains). We could therefore see the positions of the Horus and Emperor viewpoints being given to the Black Library's veteran big hitters, and therefore we'll have another Abnett-McNeill tag team situation, with the Blood Angels side being told by whoever writes the Horus Heresy Blood Angels book(s) (for which A D-B would be a nice conclusion to the triumvirate.) I agree with your prediction on the "big-hitters" Iron Father, but rather than the expected Custodes view, how good would it be to get the Emperor's own perspective just to finish the series off?! Also, as James Swallow has the experience of having written on behalf of the Blood Angels already, surely he would be a prime candidate for covering Sanguinius' point of view? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Rik Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 I doubt it will be handled with a single book, so chances are good it will be several authors of note chiming in from different POVs about it. At the risk of flooding this thread with posts from me, but going by what you say there Khestra, I reckon there's three main viewpoints for the showdown between the Emperor and Horus (more if you open it up to the Battle for Terra, but for arguments sake I'll stick to this scenario) - Horus (well, Sons of Horus), the Emperor (probably from one of the Custodes' views), and the Blood Angels (likely one of the onlooking captains). We could therefore see the positions of the Horus and Emperor viewpoints being given to the Black Library's veteran big hitters, and therefore we'll have another Abnett-McNeill tag team situation, with the Blood Angels side being told by whoever writes the Horus Heresy Blood Angels book(s) (for which A D-B would be a nice conclusion to the triumvirate.) I agree with your prediction on the "big-hitters" Iron Father, but rather than the expected Custodes view, how good would it be to get the Emperor's own perspective just to finish the series off?! Also, as James Swallow has the experience of having written on behalf of the Blood Angels already, surely he would be a prime candidate for covering Sanguinius' point of view? It would be very interesting to get the Emperor's own view. Very interesting indeed. And it's a story I would definately read. However I'm wondering if they will actually do that, or if they will deliberately stay out of the Emperor's mind in order to leave some level of mystery to him. McNeill did it a little in Tales of Heresy though, and he would be a good choice to continue what he started there. Swallow would indeed be a good candidate as he has Blood Angels experience. I just wanted to see A D-B as the third choice there as he is such an awesome writer, from what little he has out so far. This is such a defining scene from Warhammer 40000, and is easily one of the most important ones, and probably the most long-awaited scenario to be depicted fully in a BL novel, so it's going to be a damn tough, and very important choice for BL to choose who to let write it. That's why I think they will go to their big players of Abnett and McNeill as candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimarchsOutOfTen Posted March 5, 2011 Author Share Posted March 5, 2011 Bill King, Because he wrote the final showdown in 2002. Did people forget about Assault on Holy Terra already? I feel old now. -_- I've heard of Bill King of course but "Assault on Holy Terra"? is that a novel I can get a copy of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Bill King, Because he wrote the final showdown in 2002. Did people forget about Assault on Holy Terra already? I feel old now. -_- I've heard of Bill King of course but "Assault on Holy Terra"? is that a novel I can get a copy of? i believe it was a Index Astartes article. man i miss those. WLK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimarchsOutOfTen Posted March 5, 2011 Author Share Posted March 5, 2011 I doubt it will be handled with a single book, so chances are good it will be several authors of note chiming in from different POVs about it. At the risk of flooding this thread with posts from me, but going by what you say there Khestra, I reckon there's three main viewpoints for the showdown between the Emperor and Horus (more if you open it up to the Battle for Terra, but for arguments sake I'll stick to this scenario) - Horus (well, Sons of Horus), the Emperor (probably from one of the Custodes' views), and the Blood Angels (likely one of the onlooking captains). We could therefore see the positions of the Horus and Emperor viewpoints being given to the Black Library's veteran big hitters, and therefore we'll have another Abnett-McNeill tag team situation, with the Blood Angels side being told by whoever writes the Horus Heresy Blood Angels book(s) (for which A D-B would be a nice conclusion to the triumvirate.) I agree with your prediction on the "big-hitters" Iron Father, but rather than the expected Custodes view, how good would it be to get the Emperor's own perspective just to finish the series off?! Also, as James Swallow has the experience of having written on behalf of the Blood Angels already, surely he would be a prime candidate for covering Sanguinius' point of view? It would be very interesting to get the Emperor's own view. Very interesting indeed. And it's a story I would definately read. However I'm wondering if they will actually do that, or if they will deliberately stay out of the Emperor's mind in order to leave some level of mystery to him. McNeill did it a little in Tales of Heresy though, and he would be a good choice to continue what he started there. Swallow would indeed be a good candidate as he has Blood Angels experience. I just wanted to see A D-B as the third choice there as he is such an awesome writer, from what little he has out so far. This is such a defining scene from Warhammer 40000, and is easily one of the most important ones, and probably the most long-awaited scenario to be depicted fully in a BL novel, so it's going to be a damn tough, and very important choice for BL to choose who to let write it. That's why I think they will go to their big players of Abnett and McNeill as candidates. ONE of the most important scenes!?! I would happily argue it is THE defining moment of the 40k Universe Iron Father - I won't patronise you with the reasons why though, as I'm sure you know where I'm coming from in that respect. I do totally agree with you on A D-B=awseome writer with too little out as yet though, and can't wait for more from him. McNeill is great too, and a guaranteed winner for BL, but I would still like to see Counter get a look in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Considering his skill in writing non-bolter porn novels, as well as the enjoyment I get out of reading his books, I'd go for A D-B. The conclusion would really need an expert touch, as the climax is not just a big zappy fight, but rather an intense portrayal of the personalities of Horus, the Emperor, and Sanguinius. You've got the anguish of the Emperor, the twisted rage of Horus, fueled by the Chaos Gods, and the proud nobility and self-sacrificing nature of Sanguinius. Plus you've got Super-Guardsman, who will always remain a guardsman in my heart, no matter how many retcons he goes through. A D-B's masterful description and in-depth look into the changing personality and uncertainty that resides in Grimaldus, would be perfect, especially for the Emperor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimarchsOutOfTen Posted March 5, 2011 Author Share Posted March 5, 2011 Considering his skill in writing non-bolter porn novels, as well as the enjoyment I get out of reading his books, I'd go for A D-B. The conclusion would really need an expert touch, as the climax is not just a big zappy fight, but rather an intense portrayal of the personalities of Horus, the Emperor, and Sanguinius. You've got the anguish of the Emperor, the twisted rage of Horus, fueled by the Chaos Gods, and the proud nobility and self-sacrificing nature of Sanguinius. Plus you've got Super-Guardsman, who will always remain a guardsman in my heart, no matter how many retcons he goes through. A D-B's masterful description and in-depth look into the changing personality and uncertainty that resides in Grimaldus, would be perfect, especially for the Emperor. Well said sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Rik Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 I doubt it will be handled with a single book, so chances are good it will be several authors of note chiming in from different POVs about it. At the risk of flooding this thread with posts from me, but going by what you say there Khestra, I reckon there's three main viewpoints for the showdown between the Emperor and Horus (more if you open it up to the Battle for Terra, but for arguments sake I'll stick to this scenario) - Horus (well, Sons of Horus), the Emperor (probably from one of the Custodes' views), and the Blood Angels (likely one of the onlooking captains). We could therefore see the positions of the Horus and Emperor viewpoints being given to the Black Library's veteran big hitters, and therefore we'll have another Abnett-McNeill tag team situation, with the Blood Angels side being told by whoever writes the Horus Heresy Blood Angels book(s) (for which A D-B would be a nice conclusion to the triumvirate.) I agree with your prediction on the "big-hitters" Iron Father, but rather than the expected Custodes view, how good would it be to get the Emperor's own perspective just to finish the series off?! Also, as James Swallow has the experience of having written on behalf of the Blood Angels already, surely he would be a prime candidate for covering Sanguinius' point of view? It would be very interesting to get the Emperor's own view. Very interesting indeed. And it's a story I would definately read. However I'm wondering if they will actually do that, or if they will deliberately stay out of the Emperor's mind in order to leave some level of mystery to him. McNeill did it a little in Tales of Heresy though, and he would be a good choice to continue what he started there. Swallow would indeed be a good candidate as he has Blood Angels experience. I just wanted to see A D-B as the third choice there as he is such an awesome writer, from what little he has out so far. This is such a defining scene from Warhammer 40000, and is easily one of the most important ones, and probably the most long-awaited scenario to be depicted fully in a BL novel, so it's going to be a damn tough, and very important choice for BL to choose who to let write it. That's why I think they will go to their big players of Abnett and McNeill as candidates. ONE of the most important scenes!?! I would happily argue it is THE defining moment of the 40k Universe Iron Father - I won't patronise you with the reasons why though, as I'm sure you know where I'm coming from in that respect. I do totally agree with you on A D-B=awseome writer with too little out as yet though, and can't wait for more from him. McNeill is great too, and a guaranteed winner for BL, but I would still like to see Counter get a look in. (Man this quote is getting long!) Yeah, I would totally agree with you about the import of this scene. I was trying to be a bit political and leave it open to allow anyone who feels other scenes (somehow) may be more important to not start a debate about that, and highjack the thread.... kinda in the way I am beginning to. So I'll stop now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Considering his skill in writing non-bolter porn novels, as well as the enjoyment I get out of reading his books, I'd go for A D-B. The conclusion would really need an expert touch, as the climax is not just a big zappy fight, but rather an intense portrayal of the personalities of Horus, the Emperor, and Sanguinius. You've got the anguish of the Emperor, the twisted rage of Horus, fueled by the Chaos Gods, and the proud nobility and self-sacrificing nature of Sanguinius. Plus you've got Super-Guardsman, who will always remain a guardsman in my heart, no matter how many retcons he goes through. A D-B's masterful description and in-depth look into the changing personality and uncertainty that resides in Grimaldus, would be perfect, especially for the Emperor. Well said sir! Why thank you, my good (wo)man. I spent a great portion of my time, nearly three minutes, writing it. -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Rik Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 ... the twisted rage of Horus, fueled by the Chaos Gods ... I always felt that there was more to it than just this. Yes there is the twisted rage, but also deep down an understanding of what he has done, and a sense of realisation, and perhaps regret. And possibly even the acceptance and understanding that he won't, or maybe that he shouldn't, win. Or maybe this is what you meant by "twisted". Either way, it adds weight to your argument about requiring a deep and skilled description of the characters and personalities of those involved - which is very true, Chapter Master Ignis Domus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimarchsOutOfTen Posted March 5, 2011 Author Share Posted March 5, 2011 I doubt it will be handled with a single book, so chances are good it will be several authors of note chiming in from different POVs about it. At the risk of flooding this thread with posts from me, but going by what you say there Khestra, I reckon there's three main viewpoints for the showdown between the Emperor and Horus (more if you open it up to the Battle for Terra, but for arguments sake I'll stick to this scenario) - Horus (well, Sons of Horus), the Emperor (probably from one of the Custodes' views), and the Blood Angels (likely one of the onlooking captains). We could therefore see the positions of the Horus and Emperor viewpoints being given to the Black Library's veteran big hitters, and therefore we'll have another Abnett-McNeill tag team situation, with the Blood Angels side being told by whoever writes the Horus Heresy Blood Angels book(s) (for which A D-B would be a nice conclusion to the triumvirate.) I agree with your prediction on the "big-hitters" Iron Father, but rather than the expected Custodes view, how good would it be to get the Emperor's own perspective just to finish the series off?! Also, as James Swallow has the experience of having written on behalf of the Blood Angels already, surely he would be a prime candidate for covering Sanguinius' point of view? It would be very interesting to get the Emperor's own view. Very interesting indeed. And it's a story I would definately read. However I'm wondering if they will actually do that, or if they will deliberately stay out of the Emperor's mind in order to leave some level of mystery to him. McNeill did it a little in Tales of Heresy though, and he would be a good choice to continue what he started there. Swallow would indeed be a good candidate as he has Blood Angels experience. I just wanted to see A D-B as the third choice there as he is such an awesome writer, from what little he has out so far. This is such a defining scene from Warhammer 40000, and is easily one of the most important ones, and probably the most long-awaited scenario to be depicted fully in a BL novel, so it's going to be a damn tough, and very important choice for BL to choose who to let write it. That's why I think they will go to their big players of Abnett and McNeill as candidates. ONE of the most important scenes!?! I would happily argue it is THE defining moment of the 40k Universe Iron Father - I won't patronise you with the reasons why though, as I'm sure you know where I'm coming from in that respect. I do totally agree with you on A D-B=awseome writer with too little out as yet though, and can't wait for more from him. McNeill is great too, and a guaranteed winner for BL, but I would still like to see Counter get a look in. (Man this quote is getting long!) Yeah, I would totally agree with you about the import of this scene. I was trying to be a bit political and leave it open to allow anyone who feels other scenes (somehow) may be more important to not start a debate about that, and highjack the thread.... kinda in the way I am beginning to. So I'll stop now. Sorry dude, don't try and chainsaw my head off though or I will have to thrust a powersword through your face. I'm unintentionally stringing this thread on way more than you :oS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Rik Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 I doubt it will be handled with a single book, so chances are good it will be several authors of note chiming in from different POVs about it. At the risk of flooding this thread with posts from me, but going by what you say there Khestra, I reckon there's three main viewpoints for the showdown between the Emperor and Horus (more if you open it up to the Battle for Terra, but for arguments sake I'll stick to this scenario) - Horus (well, Sons of Horus), the Emperor (probably from one of the Custodes' views), and the Blood Angels (likely one of the onlooking captains). We could therefore see the positions of the Horus and Emperor viewpoints being given to the Black Library's veteran big hitters, and therefore we'll have another Abnett-McNeill tag team situation, with the Blood Angels side being told by whoever writes the Horus Heresy Blood Angels book(s) (for which A D-B would be a nice conclusion to the triumvirate.) I agree with your prediction on the "big-hitters" Iron Father, but rather than the expected Custodes view, how good would it be to get the Emperor's own perspective just to finish the series off?! Also, as James Swallow has the experience of having written on behalf of the Blood Angels already, surely he would be a prime candidate for covering Sanguinius' point of view? It would be very interesting to get the Emperor's own view. Very interesting indeed. And it's a story I would definately read. However I'm wondering if they will actually do that, or if they will deliberately stay out of the Emperor's mind in order to leave some level of mystery to him. McNeill did it a little in Tales of Heresy though, and he would be a good choice to continue what he started there. Swallow would indeed be a good candidate as he has Blood Angels experience. I just wanted to see A D-B as the third choice there as he is such an awesome writer, from what little he has out so far. This is such a defining scene from Warhammer 40000, and is easily one of the most important ones, and probably the most long-awaited scenario to be depicted fully in a BL novel, so it's going to be a damn tough, and very important choice for BL to choose who to let write it. That's why I think they will go to their big players of Abnett and McNeill as candidates. ONE of the most important scenes!?! I would happily argue it is THE defining moment of the 40k Universe Iron Father - I won't patronise you with the reasons why though, as I'm sure you know where I'm coming from in that respect. I do totally agree with you on A D-B=awseome writer with too little out as yet though, and can't wait for more from him. McNeill is great too, and a guaranteed winner for BL, but I would still like to see Counter get a look in. (Man this quote is getting long!) Yeah, I would totally agree with you about the import of this scene. I was trying to be a bit political and leave it open to allow anyone who feels other scenes (somehow) may be more important to not start a debate about that, and highjack the thread.... kinda in the way I am beginning to. So I'll stop now. Sorry dude, don't try and chainsaw my head off though or I will have to thrust a powersword through your face. I'm unintentionally stringing this thread on way more than you :oS I wasn't, don't worry. Besides, the Emperor will protect me from your feeble power sword. Him, and the several inches of adamantium and ceramite, and not to mention just sheer awesomeness -_- (In the same way all that protected my dear Primarch, Ferrus Mannus, from the cowardly and pathetic traitor Fulgrim... :P ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimarchsOutOfTen Posted March 5, 2011 Author Share Posted March 5, 2011 Considering his skill in writing non-bolter porn novels, as well as the enjoyment I get out of reading his books, I'd go for A D-B. The conclusion would really need an expert touch, as the climax is not just a big zappy fight, but rather an intense portrayal of the personalities of Horus, the Emperor, and Sanguinius. You've got the anguish of the Emperor, the twisted rage of Horus, fueled by the Chaos Gods, and the proud nobility and self-sacrificing nature of Sanguinius. Plus you've got Super-Guardsman, who will always remain a guardsman in my heart, no matter how many retcons he goes through. A D-B's masterful description and in-depth look into the changing personality and uncertainty that resides in Grimaldus, would be perfect, especially for the Emperor. Well said sir! Why thank you, my good (wo)man. I spent a great portion of my time, nearly three minutes, writing it. -_- Man, no (wo), and you're welcome sir! Although, have you ever considered the fact that once Horus gave into the Chaos Gods, his rage was no longer twisted but pure and unbridled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 To quote Star Wars, "There is still good in him". I think he's sort of a lesser Fulgrim, where his mind has been twisted and enslaved so much that he is essentially a bit of mind trapped in a shell. While there probably had to be some sort of anger and unhappiness for Chaos to get in, I think he is still semi-good. Think Darth Vader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimarchsOutOfTen Posted March 5, 2011 Author Share Posted March 5, 2011 I doubt it will be handled with a single book, so chances are good it will be several authors of note chiming in from different POVs about it. At the risk of flooding this thread with posts from me, but going by what you say there Khestra, I reckon there's three main viewpoints for the showdown between the Emperor and Horus (more if you open it up to the Battle for Terra, but for arguments sake I'll stick to this scenario) - Horus (well, Sons of Horus), the Emperor (probably from one of the Custodes' views), and the Blood Angels (likely one of the onlooking captains). We could therefore see the positions of the Horus and Emperor viewpoints being given to the Black Library's veteran big hitters, and therefore we'll have another Abnett-McNeill tag team situation, with the Blood Angels side being told by whoever writes the Horus Heresy Blood Angels book(s) (for which A D-B would be a nice conclusion to the triumvirate.) I agree with your prediction on the "big-hitters" Iron Father, but rather than the expected Custodes view, how good would it be to get the Emperor's own perspective just to finish the series off?! Also, as James Swallow has the experience of having written on behalf of the Blood Angels already, surely he would be a prime candidate for covering Sanguinius' point of view? It would be very interesting to get the Emperor's own view. Very interesting indeed. And it's a story I would definately read. However I'm wondering if they will actually do that, or if they will deliberately stay out of the Emperor's mind in order to leave some level of mystery to him. McNeill did it a little in Tales of Heresy though, and he would be a good choice to continue what he started there. Swallow would indeed be a good candidate as he has Blood Angels experience. I just wanted to see A D-B as the third choice there as he is such an awesome writer, from what little he has out so far. This is such a defining scene from Warhammer 40000, and is easily one of the most important ones, and probably the most long-awaited scenario to be depicted fully in a BL novel, so it's going to be a damn tough, and very important choice for BL to choose who to let write it. That's why I think they will go to their big players of Abnett and McNeill as candidates. ONE of the most important scenes!?! I would happily argue it is THE defining moment of the 40k Universe Iron Father - I won't patronise you with the reasons why though, as I'm sure you know where I'm coming from in that respect. I do totally agree with you on A D-B=awseome writer with too little out as yet though, and can't wait for more from him. McNeill is great too, and a guaranteed winner for BL, but I would still like to see Counter get a look in. (Man this quote is getting long!) Yeah, I would totally agree with you about the import of this scene. I was trying to be a bit political and leave it open to allow anyone who feels other scenes (somehow) may be more important to not start a debate about that, and highjack the thread.... kinda in the way I am beginning to. So I'll stop now. Sorry dude, don't try and chainsaw my head off though or I will have to thrust a powersword through your face. I'm unintentionally stringing this thread on way more than you :oS I wasn't, don't worry. Besides, the Emperor will protect me from your feeble power sword. Him, and the several inches of adamantium and ceramite, and not to mention just sheer awesomeness :teehee: (In the same way all that protected my dear Primarch, Ferrus Mannus, from the cowardly and pathetic traitor Fulgrim... :P ) Lol. That's the funniest thing I've read all year! I tip my hat for a cracking joke there sir! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimarchsOutOfTen Posted March 5, 2011 Author Share Posted March 5, 2011 Bill King, Because he wrote the final showdown in 2002. Did people forget about Assault on Holy Terra already? I feel old now. :teehee: I've heard of Bill King of course but "Assault on Holy Terra"? is that a novel I can get a copy of? i believe it was a Index Astartes article. man i miss those. WLK So would we be looking at an OOP issue of WD from back in the day to read that I'm guessing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Rik Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Considering his skill in writing non-bolter porn novels, as well as the enjoyment I get out of reading his books, I'd go for A D-B. The conclusion would really need an expert touch, as the climax is not just a big zappy fight, but rather an intense portrayal of the personalities of Horus, the Emperor, and Sanguinius. You've got the anguish of the Emperor, the twisted rage of Horus, fueled by the Chaos Gods, and the proud nobility and self-sacrificing nature of Sanguinius. Plus you've got Super-Guardsman, who will always remain a guardsman in my heart, no matter how many retcons he goes through. A D-B's masterful description and in-depth look into the changing personality and uncertainty that resides in Grimaldus, would be perfect, especially for the Emperor. Well said sir! Why thank you, my good (wo)man. I spent a great portion of my time, nearly three minutes, writing it. :teehee: Man, no (wo), and you're welcome sir! Although, have you ever considered the fact that once Horus gave into the Chaos Gods, his rage was no longer twisted but pure and unbridled? To throw my two pence in (again), I don't, personally, think he did. He wasn't possessed and controlled like some of the primarchs were, he was merely swayed by argument that played on his inner desires. I think ultimately he doubted himself and his loyalty, at least for a moment, resurfaced. He realised (at the time, or perhaps far sooner), the scale of what he had done, and the reality of what he had brought about, but was too far into it to pull out, or indeed to do anything about it, and ultimately it was Abaddon that kept him focussed on and moving towards the rebellion (it's always someone else in charge, however subtly, and not the main figurehead). He realised that he couldn't and shouldn't ultimately win and resorted to enticing the Emperor aboard his ship to end it - but with the deep down, or even subconcious intent to lose the fight and let the Emperor bring back the enlightened Imperium. He couldn't just roll over and die though, and I'm not saying that Horus changed his mind about the whole thing. He DID want the power, and he was still going to fight for it at the end, but deep down he realised what he had done and actually wanted to end it. EDIT: To quote Star Wars, "There is still good in him". I think he's sort of a lesser Fulgrim, where his mind has been twisted and enslaved so much that he is essentially a bit of mind trapped in a shell. While there probably had to be some sort of anger and unhappiness for Chaos to get in, I think he is still semi-good. Think Darth Vader. Exactly what I was getting at, but I took longer (and a more convoluted way) to say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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