Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Bill King, Because he wrote the final showdown in 2002. Did people forget about Assault on Holy Terra already? I feel old now. :teehee: I've heard of Bill King of course but "Assault on Holy Terra"? is that a novel I can get a copy of? i believe it was a Index Astartes article. man i miss those. WLK So would we be looking at an OOP issue of WD from back in the day to read that I'm guessing? thats only if i am right, and as this is a day that ends in "y" somewhat unlikely! try the net, i find it hard to believe that NOBODY has ever posted it. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224015-which-author-would-you-want-to-write-the-conclusion/page/2/#findComment-2678814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimarchsOutOfTen Posted March 5, 2011 Author Share Posted March 5, 2011 Considering his skill in writing non-bolter porn novels, as well as the enjoyment I get out of reading his books, I'd go for A D-B. The conclusion would really need an expert touch, as the climax is not just a big zappy fight, but rather an intense portrayal of the personalities of Horus, the Emperor, and Sanguinius. You've got the anguish of the Emperor, the twisted rage of Horus, fueled by the Chaos Gods, and the proud nobility and self-sacrificing nature of Sanguinius. Plus you've got Super-Guardsman, who will always remain a guardsman in my heart, no matter how many retcons he goes through. A D-B's masterful description and in-depth look into the changing personality and uncertainty that resides in Grimaldus, would be perfect, especially for the Emperor. Well said sir! Why thank you, my good (wo)man. I spent a great portion of my time, nearly three minutes, writing it. :teehee: Man, no (wo), and you're welcome sir! Although, have you ever considered the fact that once Horus gave into the Chaos Gods, his rage was no longer twisted but pure and unbridled? To throw my two pence in (again), I don't, personally, think he did. He wasn't possessed and controlled like some of the primarchs were, he was merely swayed by argument that played on his inner desires. I think ultimately he doubted himself and his loyalty, at least for a moment, resurfaced. He realised (at the time, or perhaps far sooner), the scale of what he had done, and the reality of what he had brought about, but was too far into it to pull out, or indeed to do anything about it, and ultimately it was Abaddon that kept him focussed on and moving towards the rebellion (it's always someone else in charge, however subtly, and not the main figurehead). He realised that he couldn't and shouldn't ultimately win and resorted to enticing the Emperor aboard his ship to end it - but with the deep down, or even subconcious intent to lose the fight and let the Emperor bring back the enlightened Imperium. He couldn't just roll over and die though, and I'm not saying that Horus changed his mind about the whole thing. He DID want the power, and he was still going to fight for it at the end, but deep down he realised what he had done and actually wanted to end it. EDIT: To quote Star Wars, "There is still good in him". I think he's sort of a lesser Fulgrim, where his mind has been twisted and enslaved so much that he is essentially a bit of mind trapped in a shell. While there probably had to be some sort of anger and unhappiness for Chaos to get in, I think he is still semi-good. Think Darth Vader. Exactly what I was getting at, but I took longer (and a more convoluted way) to say it. I must say I'm firmly in the Horus was a C#@t camp, as he was the chosen Warmaster of the Emperor, favourored of all his magnificent brothers, yet was still fallible enough to be swayed by his own pride and ego to turning against his father - the freaking Emperor if Mankind! If that was my Dad I know I wouldn't want a spanking from him! Yes he may have initially been reticent about his ctions but from the Istvaan system onwards Horus had made his bed and fully intended to sleep in it. Star Wars rules do not apply to the Warhammer 40K universe the same as human rules do not apply to Primarchs - they are light years apart! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224015-which-author-would-you-want-to-write-the-conclusion/page/2/#findComment-2678816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 id realy like to hear more from sigismund and dorn and the fists dorns grief will be very largess we all know sanginus is noble but what about the white scars at the lions gate space port and there sacrifice or the original 1st terran regimant that stood with them .i vote for a-d-b Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224015-which-author-would-you-want-to-write-the-conclusion/page/2/#findComment-2678873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Mechanicum Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 id realy like to hear more from sigismund and dorn and the fists dorns grief will be very largess we all know sanginus is noble but what about the white scars at the lions gate space port and there sacrifice or the original 1st terran regimant that stood with them .i vote for a-d-b Ok, no offense i'm correcting the post. I'd really like to hear more from Sigismund and Dorn and the grief. We all know Sanguinus is noble but what about the White Scars at the Lions Gate Space Port and their sacrifice or the original 1st Terran Regiment that stood with them. Well, the White Scars didn't lose their primarch in the fight. Just went about and kicked chaos space marine ass and lost the space port and then assaults on it to harry the incoming forces till the World Eaters got to the palace. The major thing about the Siege of Terra is that all of White Scars and the Lions Gate takes place BEFORE the duel between Horus and the Emperor. If I was to split it up. I would have the Siege of Terra as one book, the Duel as another and the aftermath with Dorn discovering the Emperor as another to actually delve into his psyche. That would be a great book with William King for the first book and A-D-B for the second book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224015-which-author-would-you-want-to-write-the-conclusion/page/2/#findComment-2678885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 I'm still not that far into the HH (am finally at "Legion" :P ), but my own personal opinion would be either Dan Abnet (fittingly ending the HH as he started it) or strictly from what I've heard of his writing prowess, AD-B. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224015-which-author-would-you-want-to-write-the-conclusion/page/2/#findComment-2678983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Re Horus still having good in him, in the Bill King story (which was originally in the Realm of Chaos books before the IA article), in that version, after the Emperor let's his restraint go and psychicly blasts Horus, the Emperor sees a split second where the Chaos gods' influence is driven out of Horus' mind. The Emperor sees Horus realise what he's done and his immense grief and guilt and is momentarily tempted to spare him. Then he realizes he's dying and that he can't take the chance Horus might fall back to evil, and then finishes the job. In the story, Horus had time to shed a single tear before he was destroyed. Abnett took a similar line in Legion, when the Cabal predicted that the "scintilla" of good remaining in Horus would cause him to loathe himself and destroy humanity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224015-which-author-would-you-want-to-write-the-conclusion/page/2/#findComment-2679011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwyvern Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 i heard that after the emeror blasted horus he nearlyb passed out and horus, realsising what he had done, took his own life rather than suffer the shame he would have to live with if he survived. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224015-which-author-would-you-want-to-write-the-conclusion/page/2/#findComment-2679770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-wrex Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 We also can't forget about the post heresy stuff. The shock passing through the traitors' ranks as they learn of Horus' death and their failure to defeat the Big E. The aftermath on Terra as the survivors of the Daemon Fulgrim's twisted orgy upon the unprotected populace of humanities cradle come to terms with what happened. The palpable sense of dread of the primarchs and their legions upon returning to a ruined Terra and irreversibly maimed father. That raw nauseating fear that everything the legions and their fathers worked for the last several hundred years will come to naught but bone and ash. And then there's the furious purging of the traitorous elements still lingering throughout the new Imperium. The fierceness of Dorn and his warriors. The unflappable drive of Guilliman. Corax's woe at not being able to defend his father and his worry about the future of shattered legion. I'm certain there would be incredible internecine conflict between the loyal astartes and the remnants of the Emprah's human military about just how loyal the marines will be. The birth of the Inquisition. The split of the legions into chapters. I'm sure there is much left to tell, and hope the series won't end simply with the assault on Terra. There would be far too much left unsaid. Just my two cents, anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224015-which-author-would-you-want-to-write-the-conclusion/page/2/#findComment-2680241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 We also can't forget about the post heresy stuff. The shock passing through the traitors' ranks as they learn of Horus' death and their failure to defeat the Big E. The aftermath on Terra as the survivors of the Daemon Fulgrim's twisted orgy upon the unprotected populace of humanities cradle. The palpable of dread of the primarchs and their legions upon returning to a ruined Terra and irreversibly maimed father. That raw nauseating fear that everything the legions and their fathers worked for the last several hundred years will come to naught but bone and ash. And then there's the furious purging of the traitorous elements still lingering throughout the new Imperium. The fierceness of Dorn and his warriors. The unflappable drive of Guilliman. Corax's woe at not being able to defend his father and his worry about the future of shattered legion. I'm certain there would be incredible internecine conflict between the loyal astartes and the remnants of the Emprah's human military about just how loyal the marines will be. The birth of the Inquisition. The split of the legions into chapters. I'm sure there is much left to tell, and hope the series won't end simply with the assault on Terra. There would be far too much left unsaid. Just my two cents, anyway. 100% AGREE. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224015-which-author-would-you-want-to-write-the-conclusion/page/2/#findComment-2680266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurgling6688 Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 We also can't forget about the post heresy stuff. The shock passing through the traitors' ranks as they learn of Horus' death and their failure to defeat the Big E. The aftermath on Terra as the survivors of the Daemon Fulgrim's twisted orgy upon the unprotected populace of humanities cradle. The palpable of dread of the primarchs and their legions upon returning to a ruined Terra and irreversibly maimed father. That raw nauseating fear that everything the legions and their fathers worked for the last several hundred years will come to naught but bone and ash. And then there's the furious purging of the traitorous elements still lingering throughout the new Imperium. The fierceness of Dorn and his warriors. The unflappable drive of Guilliman. Corax's woe at not being able to defend his father and his worry about the future of shattered legion. I'm certain there would be incredible internecine conflict between the loyal astartes and the remnants of the Emprah's human military about just how loyal the marines will be. The birth of the Inquisition. The split of the legions into chapters. I'm sure there is much left to tell, and hope the series won't end simply with the assault on Terra. There would be far too much left unsaid. Just my two cents, anyway. 100% AGREE. WLK Yes! Although I think the Horus Heresy series should end with the siege of Terra and the death of Horus, but then you just start up a new series called "The Scouring." That can cover all the aftermath, everything you mentioned plus the battle of Tallarn, Abaddons rise to power (which ADB already said hes planning on doing), what about the whole thing with Horus' clone. Oh man, the splitting of the legions and the fact that Dorn almost started another rebellion over it. I think some of the best material is yet to come, the Horus Heresy is just the beginning. On a side note who wouldn't like to see some stories about the Primarchs before the big E found them? at least short stories, that could be a whole short story book right there. I mean come on, Curze acting all boogy man on his world, Mortarion trying to kill his dad, Angron and the slaves, Guilliman and the death of his dead and putting down the rebellion. Just so much material. On another side note, I would also like to see them explore some of the super old (time line wise) mythology of the Old Ones, the war between the eldar and the necrons, the birth of Slaanesh? I think GW would be limiting themselves by not continuing to explore other areas of their mythology besides just the heresy and the 'present'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224015-which-author-would-you-want-to-write-the-conclusion/page/2/#findComment-2680311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
snorkle Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 There used to be an account of the heresy on the GW website, I don't recall if it was written by Bill King, but I remember it said that once the Emperor saw Horus kill Pius (or whoever he killed in that era) he blasted him with pure psychic energy so powerful that the Chaos Gods withdrew from Horus and he saw Horus' regret, but he had to kill him so he wouldn't fall again. So I believe Horus to be possessed like Fulgrim, but his possessors are far more powerful. One thing that should be in the final is Pius and not some Custodian or Imperial Fist. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224015-which-author-would-you-want-to-write-the-conclusion/page/2/#findComment-2680319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clewz Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 There used to be an account of the heresy on the GW website, I don't recall if it was written by Bill King, but I remember it said that once the Emperor saw Horus kill Pius (or whoever he killed in that era) he blasted him with pure psychic energy so powerful that the Chaos Gods withdrew from Horus and he saw Horus' regret, but he had to kill him so he wouldn't fall again. So I believe Horus to be possessed like Fulgrim, but his possessors are far more powerful. One thing that should be in the final is Pius and not some Custodian or Imperial Fist. Sounds like the Bill King one. It a space marine but he's never named Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224015-which-author-would-you-want-to-write-the-conclusion/page/2/#findComment-2680356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 They should just keep it as the guardsman. When you stick a Custode or Marine in, it doesn't seem very heroic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224015-which-author-would-you-want-to-write-the-conclusion/page/2/#findComment-2680471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sponsra Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 I think there will be books covering the story after the siege of Terra. In this inteview ADB is talking about creating characters that show up later in the story line. he says: They show up in other books, they show up on the siege of Terra and they may even show up afterwards: at 3:35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZqZ8pLAPxM Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224015-which-author-would-you-want-to-write-the-conclusion/page/2/#findComment-2680518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razhbad Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 The battle of Terra will be done from the point of view of many authors as for the final showdown i am not sure. Probably Abnett would do it but i'd like Bill King just because I am such a huge fan. As for writing from the Emperor's point of view I do not think that will happen at all. Especially with what all the BL authors said in the HH seminar at BLL. But then you never do know for certain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/224015-which-author-would-you-want-to-write-the-conclusion/page/2/#findComment-2680526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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