Grandmaster Anaziel Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Immediately after the Word Bearers get the distress call from Monarchia they jump in the Warp to head to Khur. And as we know, 100,000 Astartes arrived two months later along with Lorgar. However the ENTIRE Legion scattered amongst the Expeditionary Fleets probably were not exactly two months away. Lorgar only referred to the the entire Legion being present at Forty-Seven Sixteen which was months after the events of the Emperor's castigation of Lorgar in the ruins of Monarchia. I think that the bulk of the Legion was still in transit at the time. They would have arrived much later AFTER Lorgar was "corrected" by the Emperor. This would explain the discrepancy in Scions of the Storm where Sar Talgron refers to Lorgar having met the Emperor on the Emperor's flagship. He didn't know about the events on Khur because they arrived after the fact with the remaining bulk of the Legion. The true events on Khur were suppressed by Erebus and Kor Phaeron. Only the 100,000 Word Bearers who were able to arrive in two months know the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Adam Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 You have to take into account that the warp is very myseterious, it could be that the dark gods knew what was gonna happen to an extent and changed the emyrean enough so that they all arrived at around the same time. I personally think only the Word Bearers where oblivious of the fact that they were going to be chastised. Just like when Magnus was oblivious to what was going-on at Nikea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Rathul Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 You have to take into account that the warp is very myseterious, it could be that the dark gods knew what was gonna happen to an extent and changed the emyrean enough so that they all arrived at around the same time. I personally think only the Word Bearers where oblivious of the fact that they were going to be chastised. Just like when Magnus was oblivious to what was going-on at Nikea. I second this motion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandmaster Anaziel Posted April 5, 2011 Author Share Posted April 5, 2011 You have to take into account that the warp is very myseterious, it could be that the dark gods knew what was gonna happen to an extent and changed the emyrean enough so that they all arrived at around the same time. I personally think only the Word Bearers where oblivious of the fact that they were going to be chastised. Just like when Magnus was oblivious to what was going-on at Nikea. Perhaps, but how did Sar Talgron think that the Emperor castigated Lorgar on the Emperor's battle barge? If Sar Talgron had been at Monarchia with the 100,000 present he wouldn't have thought that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Immediately after the Word Bearers get the distress call from Monarchia they jump in the Warp to head to Khur.And as we know, 100,000 Astartes arrived two months later along with Lorgar. However the ENTIRE Legion scattered amongst the Expeditionary Fleets probably were not exactly two months away. Lorgar only referred to the the entire Legion being present at Forty-Seven Sixteen which was months after the events of the Emperor's castigation of Lorgar in the ruins of Monarchia. I think that the bulk of the Legion was still in transit at the time. They would have arrived much later AFTER Lorgar was "corrected" by the Emperor. This would explain the discrepancy in Scions of the Storm where Sar Talgron refers to Lorgar having met the Emperor on the Emperor's flagship. He didn't know about the events on Khur because they arrived after the fact with the remaining bulk of the Legion. The true events on Khur were suppressed by Erebus and Kor Phaeron. Only the 100,000 Word Bearers who were able to arrive in two months know the truth. im pretty sure it states the whole legion was present, 100,000 marines. Although i think they grew in number shortly after as Loragr told them to recruit more, i think from the beginning he wanted to check the power of the ultramarines who were 2.5x the size of average legions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Perhaps, but how did Sar Talgron think that the Emperor castigated Lorgar on the Emperor's battle barge? EVERY planet is The Emperor's Battle Barge :whoops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Adam Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Everything was done on the surface of Monarchia, and wasnt Talgron the one who carried Lorgar off the planet basically? It wasn't kor phareon or Erebus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 The discrepancy is explained by something much less interesting. I couldn't - literally, couldn't - equate the chastising of Lorgar and his entire Legion to a meeting between a primarch and the Emperor on board a ship, which later filtered down to his captains at a meeting. I tried my level best to make sure the rest of 'Scions of the Storm' linked up with The First Heretic (even to the point that the opening captains' meeting can be considered a post-chastisement discussion, with a few 'off' sentences) but ultimately it came down to what was better for the series, and what made a better story. Which is why the Emperor forces Lorgar and his Legion to kneel in the dust of their perfect city, as an example of how they've failed him. I try to tread with care, and retcon very rarely in my 40K work, but that was something I felt needed to be tweaked, and I definitely don't regret it. As for the Legion size, they recruited heavily after Lorgar returned from the Eye of Terror. Very, very heavily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Immediately after the Word Bearers get the distress call from Monarchia they jump in the Warp to head to Khur.And as we know, 100,000 Astartes arrived two months later along with Lorgar. However the ENTIRE Legion scattered amongst the Expeditionary Fleets probably were not exactly two months away. Lorgar only referred to the the entire Legion being present at Forty-Seven Sixteen which was months after the events of the Emperor's castigation of Lorgar in the ruins of Monarchia. I think that the bulk of the Legion was still in transit at the time. Just because the legion was scattered amongst the expeditionary fleets doesn't mean that the majority could not assemble within 2 months. It's a bit of a leap to assume that 'the bulk' of the legion was missing. There doesn't appear to be any evidence to support this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Adam Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 I don't think the chastising would have been as effective had not the entire legion been there. It was a visceral move on the emperors part to make every member feel it wholly. The whole legion had to feel it so there was no room for debate... Just how I presume the emperor wanted it, he doesn't look much like the kind of guy who puts up with dissidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 For the record, yeah, they were all there. The Word Bearers significantly increased in numbers after Lorgar returned from the Eye of Terror. For... various reasons that will become clear in the passing of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awfulawful Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 For the record, yeah, they were all there. The Word Bearers significantly increased in numbers after Lorgar returned from the Eye of Terror. For... various reasons that will become clear in the passing of time. Did it have anything to do with another particularly large legion? Or were they just trying to get a bulk discount on chainswords? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ju'kosian Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 For the record, yeah, they were all there. The Word Bearers significantly increased in numbers after Lorgar returned from the Eye of Terror. For... various reasons that will become clear in the passing of time. Damn you A-D-B !! NOw I just can't wait to know these reasons :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esinhorn Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 I think I can make a guess,one word Daemons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 For the record, yeah, they were all there. The Word Bearers significantly increased in numbers after Lorgar returned from the Eye of Terror. For... various reasons that will become clear in the passing of time. Did it have anything to do with another particularly large legion? Or were they just trying to get a bulk discount on chainswords? Calth was a big deal to the Word Bearers, make no mistake. But it was far from the biggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khestra the Unbeheld Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Calth was a big deal to the Word Bearers, make no mistake. But it was far from the biggest. Milking slave systems' populations for seven years of the Age of Darkness before Terra? Gehemahnets, gehemahnets everywhere. . . ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Calth was a big deal to the Word Bearers, make no mistake. But it was far from the biggest. Milking slave systems' populations for seven years of the Age of Darkness before Terra? Gehemahnets, gehemahnets everywhere. . . ^_^ After Calth, but before the Siege of Terra. Although, yeah, that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandmaster Anaziel Posted April 5, 2011 Author Share Posted April 5, 2011 For the record, yeah, they were all there. The Word Bearers significantly increased in numbers after Lorgar returned from the Eye of Terror. For... various reasons that will become clear in the passing of time. I know other people have said this but, it's great that you're on the B&C with us fans! So the Word Bearers by the time of the Heresy had been much expanded...Awesome! Did all the traitor Legions do this mass buildup of forces? Just out of curiosity, how did they get to Khur so quickly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 I try to tread with care, and retcon very rarely in my 40K work Thank you. And that retconning was definitely for the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Adam Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 It isn't hard to bolster a large force before the seige of terra if all you have to do is turn all the mere mortals you come across into chaos hosts. With the infinite amount of major and minor demons, the sky is the limit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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