Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 Didnt change much for me personally. oh well. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227687-primarch-v-primarch-round-1-fight/page/4/#findComment-2746219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regem Nox Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 vulkan vs ferrus mannus vs perturabo machine war! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227687-primarch-v-primarch-round-1-fight/page/4/#findComment-2750449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Pertuabo versus Angron Horus versus Le Man Russ Fulgrim versus Logar Vulkan Versus Ferrus The Lion versus Roboute Dorn Versus Mortation Alparius Omegon versus Corax Magnus Versus Sanginius Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227687-primarch-v-primarch-round-1-fight/page/4/#findComment-2750456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Pertuabo versus Angron Angron Horus versus Le Man Russ Horus Fulgrim versus Logar Flugrim Vulkan Versus Ferrus hard to see as we havent seen much of Vulkan yet The Lion versus Roboute the Lion Dorn Versus Mortation Dorn Alparius Omegon versus Corax Corax Magnus Versus Sanginius Sanguinius just my opinion of course. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227687-primarch-v-primarch-round-1-fight/page/4/#findComment-2750460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Fulgrim versus LogarFlugrim Dorn Versus any Primarch Dorn just my opinion of course. WLK Do you mean Fulgrim or Mortarion :geek: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227687-primarch-v-primarch-round-1-fight/page/4/#findComment-2750560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Fulgrim versus LogarFlugrim Dorn Versus any Primarch Dorn just my opinion of course. WLK Do you mean Fulgrim or Mortarion :geek: Dorn vs any primarch must mean without the Night Haunter for you... WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227687-primarch-v-primarch-round-1-fight/page/4/#findComment-2750577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regem Nox Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Dorn vs perturabo would be interesting Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227687-primarch-v-primarch-round-1-fight/page/4/#findComment-2750578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Dorn vs any primarch must mean without the Night Haunter for you... WLK If I am talking to you about important matters, then smash you over the head with a fry pan, it is not a fight. Yes, Night Haunter beat Dorn down and was/would have won. But even a woman, not meaning any disrespect, can get the drop on a muscly man and incapacitate him if they are not "in the ring" and the man isn't "fighting". I am not saying Dorn would smash him, no way. I am not saying NH is a woman either. I am saying it really wasn't a fight. You know that's true :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227687-primarch-v-primarch-round-1-fight/page/4/#findComment-2750641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 Dorn vs any primarch must mean without the Night Haunter for you... WLK If I am talking to you about important matters, then smash you over the head with a fry pan, it is not a fight. Yes, Night Haunter beat Dorn down and was/would have won. But even a woman, not meaning any disrespect, can get the drop on a muscly man and incapacitate him if they are not "in the ring" and the man isn't "fighting". I am not saying Dorn would smash him, no way. I am not saying NH is a woman either. I am saying it really wasn't a fight. You know that's true :) whatever it takes to fix your bruised ego Willy. (and yes, i know that dorn got jumped and the fight isnt a fair example.) WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227687-primarch-v-primarch-round-1-fight/page/4/#findComment-2750646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 whatever it takes to fix your bruised ego Willy. (and yes, i know that Dorn got jumped and the fight isnt a fair example.) WLK Your gentle words about fair fights fix my bruised ego, WLK. Are you sure you aren't actually Wolf Priest Kieran? You have a lovely bedside manner :) :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227687-primarch-v-primarch-round-1-fight/page/4/#findComment-2750667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 whatever it takes to fix your bruised ego Willy. (and yes, i know that Dorn got jumped and the fight isnt a fair example.) WLK Your gentle words about fair fights fix my bruised ego, WLK. Are you sure you aren't actually Wolf Priest Kieran? You have a lovely bedside manner :P :o No, no priesthood for me, i just have alot of experience with girls with skinned knees! (my god daughter can trip over her own feet. hours of amusement!) WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227687-primarch-v-primarch-round-1-fight/page/4/#findComment-2750691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 Or Leman Versus Ferrus Vulkan Versus Horus Corax Versus Sanginius Mortarion versus Magnus Alpharius versus Night Haunter Dorn versus Logar the Khan Angron versus himself lol The Lion versus Fulgrim Roboute versus or all Primarchs Versus the Emperor >=] Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227687-primarch-v-primarch-round-1-fight/page/4/#findComment-2750962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxjace Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 all the primarchs would be an epic fight against the emperor, im actually taken aback by the sheer awesomeness ;) of this. wow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227687-primarch-v-primarch-round-1-fight/page/4/#findComment-2751315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 Or Leman Versus FerrusRuss Vulkan Versus Horus Horus Corax Versus Sanginius Sanguinius Mortarion versus Magnus Mortarion Alpharius versus Night Haunter Night Haunter Dorn versus Logar the Khan dorn against 2 opponents? Angron versus himself lol the Imperium The Lion versus Fulgrim the Lion Roboute versus or all Primarchs Versus the Emperor >=] if he was really fighting, the Emp. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227687-primarch-v-primarch-round-1-fight/page/4/#findComment-2751326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 The only three primarchs actually to have faced one another in a single combat with a decisive outcome are thus: Fulgrim: 2 (Roboute Guilliman and Ferrus Manus) Guilliman: 2 possibles (possibly killing Alpharius or Omegon and possibly banishing Fulgrim) Horus: 1 (Sanguinius) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227687-primarch-v-primarch-round-1-fight/page/4/#findComment-2751372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artein Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 Dorn vs Fulgrim Sanguinius vs Curze Alpharius vs Lorgar Guilliman vs Mortarion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227687-primarch-v-primarch-round-1-fight/page/4/#findComment-2751395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epistolary Exander Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 Is it really fair for us to be choosing an opposing primarch for Lorgar to face? In his own opinion he isnt a general & he was getting owned by Corax when he faced him. It just seems he is the runt of the litter in terms of combat prowess. I think it would be interesting for Night Haunter to face either Corax or Sanquinius. In both of these oppnents Night Haunter would be facing an opponent with a form of his own abilities, Has Angron vs Russ been done? It would be interesting to see how the gladiator does against the brawler. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227687-primarch-v-primarch-round-1-fight/page/4/#findComment-2751455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 The only three primarchs actually to have faced one another in a single combat with a decisive outcome are thus: Fulgrim: 2 (Roboute Guilliman and Ferrus Manus) Guilliman: 2 possibles (possibly killing Alpharius or Omegon and possibly banishing Fulgrim) Horus: 1 (Sanguinius) Does the fight between Russ and Magnus not count? Magnus might have used his sorcery to escape into the warp, but that doesnt nullify the fact he had lost in hand to hand combat against Russ. and are we also discounting the Lion-Wolf brawl? WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227687-primarch-v-primarch-round-1-fight/page/4/#findComment-2751574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykra Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Does the fight between Russ and Magnus not count? Magnus might have used his sorcery to escape into the warp, but that doesnt nullify the fact he had lost in hand to hand combat against Russ. and are we also discounting the Lion-Wolf brawl? WLK I dunno if you could actually count either of those when trying to decide some sort of pecking order. I've read a Thousand Sons but not Prospero Burns yet, did they show a different fight in Abnett's book? No snark, honest question. In ATS, it wasn't Magnus vs Russ, it was Magnus vs Russ and the Space Wolves. He had to fight off the Wulfen and Grey Hunters who were trying to interfere while also fighting Russ, and when he speared Russ through the heart I believe it was Russ' two gigantic mutawolves (that I can't remember the names of. Gerki and Freiki or some such?) that jumped Magnus and let Russ get in a wild swing that took his other eye. Also in the book, Magnus walked into that fight needing Russ to kill him. That release of energy was what was used to save the Legion, and spirit parts of the city to their new homeworld. I'm not up to date on the Lion vs the Wolf, but I thought it was basically a fight of suckerpunches. Russ started it off with a sucker-punch to Johnson because he was ticked, they tussled, Russ started laughing at the craziness of it all and basically quit fighting and then Johnson sucker-punched Russ as he still considered the fight 'on'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227687-primarch-v-primarch-round-1-fight/page/4/#findComment-2751610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Does the fight between Russ and Magnus not count? Magnus might have used his sorcery to escape into the warp, but that doesnt nullify the fact he had lost in hand to hand combat against Russ. and are we also discounting the Lion-Wolf brawl? WLK I dunno if you could actually count either of those when trying to decide some sort of pecking order. I've read a Thousand Sons but not Prospero Burns yet, did they show a different fight in Abnett's book? No snark, honest question. In ATS, it wasn't Magnus vs Russ, it was Magnus vs Russ and the Space Wolves. He had to fight off the Wulfen and Grey Hunters who were trying to interfere while also fighting Russ, and when he speared Russ through the heart I believe it was Russ' two gigantic mutawolves (that I can't remember the names of. Gerki and Freiki or some such?) that jumped Magnus and let Russ get in a wild swing that took his other eye. Also in the book, Magnus walked into that fight needing Russ to kill him. That release of energy was what was used to save the Legion, and spirit parts of the city to their new homeworld. I'm not up to date on the Lion vs the Wolf, but I thought it was basically a fight of suckerpunches. Russ started it off with a sucker-punch to Johnson because he was ticked, they tussled, Russ started laughing at the craziness of it all and basically quit fighting and then Johnson sucker-punched Russ as he still considered the fight 'on'. ATS is only one version of their duel. However, even in this fight the only particpants were Russ and Magnus and Russ two wolves. The 2 wolves of Russ do make a strike against Magnus and bite his legs, but magnus deals with them in heartbeats.. The Wolves and Custodes themselves do not interfere with this fight, as the are trying to get to the temple where the last of the Thousand Sons are massing. ATS page 542-550. I also want to say that this fight is from Ahriman's p.o.v., and is subject to bias. Abnett gets around this by not even covering the damn fight. If magnus needed Russ to kill him, then why fight back, why try and kill your brother? why not just pull a obi-wan instead? i think he went in to win the fight, but hedged his bets just in case. (granting the Book of Magnus to Ahriman, despite knowing he can port himself and the TSs out when things got too hairy). Sadly, Prospero Burns chooses to follow a mortal through the Invasion of Prospero, on page 439 only mentions their duel in a single paragraph saying "the Wolf King had engaged Magnus in monemental single combat, and broken his spine." and i dont believe the fight between the Lion and the Wolf shoudl be included, but only did so to try and remain as unbiased as possible. i do agree with your brief but accurate description of it though. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227687-primarch-v-primarch-round-1-fight/page/4/#findComment-2751625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykra Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 ATS is only one version of their duel. WLK I think Magnus did try to pull the Obi-Wan, but in the end broke down and tried to do what he could to at least save his legion. It seemed that he went into it knowing he had to die, and I think the thing that made it so horrible is that even at the end he was trying to do what was best for the Imperium by leaving the Wolves battle ready enough for the Heresy. I'm sure he could have just stood there and let Russ run him through, but Magnus was shown to probably be the most human of primarchs - I can totally understand the 'but I'm not going to make it easy for him' mindset. In the end I don't have really anything for or against the Wolves or the Sons, I just found it amazing the book could change my opinion from 'And the Wolves went to Planet Traitor, and they effed everything up, and a Red skinned Cyclops had his back broken' into something where I think the Wolves were the bad guys (admittedly tricked into the role, which is a great foreshadow why they don't trust anyone in present times) and the Sons could have (not 100%, just could have) won if their leader hadn't thrown the entire bloody fight. Edit: I wasn't sure if something happened with the Lion or Russ since the 2E books as I skipped the Dark Angel HH books as literally everyone I know has told me they weren't worth the money. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227687-primarch-v-primarch-round-1-fight/page/4/#findComment-2751655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 ATS is only one version of their duel. WLK I think Magnus did try to pull the Obi-Wan, but in the end broke down and tried to do what he could to at least save his legion. It seemed that he went into it knowing he had to die, and I think the thing that made it so horrible is that even at the end he was trying to do what was best for the Imperium by leaving the Wolves battle ready enough for the Heresy. I'm sure he could have just stood there and let Russ run him through, but Magnus was shown to probably be the most human of primarchs - I can totally understand the 'but I'm not going to make it easy for him' mindset. In the end I don't have really anything for or against the Wolves or the Sons, I just found it amazing the book could change my opinion from 'And the Wolves went to Planet Traitor, and they effed everything up, and a Red skinned Cyclops had his back broken' into something where I think the Wolves were the bad guys (admittedly tricked into the role, which is a great foreshadow why they don't trust anyone in present times) and the Sons could have (not 100%, just could have) won if their leader hadn't thrown the entire bloody fight. Edit: I wasn't sure if something happened with the Lion or Russ since the 2E books as I skipped the Dark Angel HH books as literally everyone I know has told me they weren't worth the money. that is a very valid viewpoint of the invasion of Prospero, and because Abnett chose not to answer it in Prospero Burns, certainly going to be a strong one for a long time now. (if you want to read a good commentary on Prospero Burns, Marshal Wilheim does what i believe to be a very "fair and balanced" review of it in this thread http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...5&start=325 post 334. its also relatively spoiler free!) my own viewpoint on Magnus is biased as both a pre-HH series fluff maniac and a Wolf player for the past 10 yrs, as anybody who has read my posts on Magnus in this subforum can gather. i hope i am fair, but can accept that i am probably viewed as too biased to completely fair to magnus and his legion. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227687-primarch-v-primarch-round-1-fight/page/4/#findComment-2751666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Regarding the Haunter attacking Dorn, you have to remember that the whole thing started when Dorn "confronted" Curze about his visions, and that Dorn could get rather violent when his brothers/father were insulted. I always interpreted it as Dorn angrily, verging on violently, confronting Curze about his heretical visions, only to be surprised when Curze retaliated far stronger than Dorn expected. Of course, I'm slightly biased, but there you go. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227687-primarch-v-primarch-round-1-fight/page/4/#findComment-2751681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Regarding the Haunter attacking Dorn, you have to remember that the whole thing started when Dorn "confronted" Curze about his visions, and that Dorn could get rather violent when his brothers/father were insulted. I always interpreted it as Dorn angrily, verging on violently, confronting Curze about his heretical visions, only to be surprised when Curze retaliated far stronger than Dorn expected. Of course, I'm slightly biased, but there you go. i always thought the story was dorn conferred with his brothers over the vision, and when he came to collect the Night Haunter he found Fulgrim's guards slain and then was jumped himself. by the time he got back to his senses the Night Haunter and his legion had escaped. before he could be called into account for this, Horus's started the heresy and Dorn coounted everybody who wasnt with Horus at the moment for the Emperor. the Night Lords did nothing to dispute this until their true allegiance became clear at the Massacre. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227687-primarch-v-primarch-round-1-fight/page/4/#findComment-2751703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Nope, you're confusing the confrontation with what happened after. Curze told Fulgrim, Fulgrim told Dorn, Dorn 'confronted' Curze, Dorn got beaten up, and Curze was isolated in his chambers, where he killed the honour guard and fled to Nostramo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/227687-primarch-v-primarch-round-1-fight/page/4/#findComment-2751706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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