Blackadder Posted February 13, 2016 Author Share Posted February 13, 2016 Umpity Ump Cadians: I've taken on the task to get all my ground troops up and operational meaning break them down hopefully at the glue seams (not always successfully I might add) scrap and clean off the glue seam residue and whatever paint can be removed I have come up with about fifty Space Marines and about eighty Cadians plus an untold number of Chaos Marines and assorted denizens. anyway the Marines are pretty much done and two days ago I started on the Cadians. I practiced on some metal Cadians from the year one and needless to say the work was tedious but I managed to get them to come out halfway decent but I suck at picture taking so the images didn't come out too good; http://i.imgur.com/l9XRRKt.jpg http://i.imgur.com/l9XRRKtl.jpg this being the best of a bad lot: http://i.imgur.com/9hS0wU1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/9hS0wU1l.jpg So graduating to the plastic Cadian assault squad I came across this interesting discovery...... http://i.imgur.com/712KZVv.jpg http://i.imgur.com/712KZVvl.jpg I'm always on the lookout for anything to break the tedium of repetition and this I think will come in handy; note the brush on the center of the last image; you wouldn't think such a huge flat tipped brush would serve for fin detailed work but this is what I discovered mainly by accident. I got called away and this flat tipped brush hardened with Agrax Earthshade wash, Rather than soak the brush to soften it I figured that applying paint with the stiff brush would gradually soften until the hairs were flexible again. Imagine my surprise that the stiff edge was ideal for applying paint to seams where say the 'pants meet the boot top' or the 'sleeve meets the gun barrel.' When the tip of the brush softens that you cannot get a fine demarcated line just squeeze the excess paint off the brush between your fingers and let the paint dry to harden the bristles. Has anyone ever heard of this trick before? BTW None of the soldiers in these pictures are finished, I'm only about halfway through the process of detailing and washing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/20/#findComment-4305600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 VIPER ARV: Gotta get a couple of these for my Cadian company: http://www.antenocitisworkshop.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Vipersfinished003.jpg http://www.antenocitisworkshop.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/NRFfinished019.jpg http://theminiaturespage.com/news/1490387090 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/20/#findComment-4319692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 100+ Reclaimed Cadians: Well here is the fruits of a week or so's labor; 100 repaired and renovated and basically painted Cadians. http://i.imgur.com/YKULkTh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/YKULkThl.jpg These sets do not include the 20 metal Cadians I painted last month. http://i.imgur.com/hFfMhNc.jpg http://i.imgur.com/hFfMhNcl.jpg It's amazing how good these images came out. For colour I spray painted the entire set with flat black and brush painted the tunics and trousers with Vallejo 'Model Air' Khaki Brown and my own special concoction of armour green of Citadel 'Death World Forest and Vallejo 'Model Color' Luftwaffe Camo Green 50/50. Flesh I painted Vallejo Model Air 'Sand'. http://i.imgur.com/zTdtfp8.jpg http://i.imgur.com/zTdtfp8l.jpg After Painting I washed with Citadel 'Shade' Agrax Earthshade. http://i.imgur.com/lmpQOjp.jpg http://i.imgur.com/lmpQOjpl.jpg Now I have to learn how to apply decals....... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/20/#findComment-4319932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted February 27, 2016 Author Share Posted February 27, 2016 Bovine Space Marines! What next, Pigs in space? I was rummaging through the abandon materials I inherited and came across these humongous Space Marines standing half again taller than the usual SM grunt. On painting them I noticed decidedly bovine features. http://i.imgur.com/QT3UDV3.jpg http://i.imgur.com/QT3UDV3l.jpg http://i.imgur.com/DNgGpoN.jpg http://i.imgur.com/DNgGpoNl.jpg The armour is quite elegant with compact jump packs but who thought cow faces would look good? What chapter are these; I can't find them with google. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/20/#findComment-4320523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 My guess is that the terminators, were either going to be the olive drab of the Raptors Chapter, or green, black & white of the Sons of Medusa chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/20/#findComment-4320528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelsofCaliban Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Hi Blackadder, An admirer of your plastic card skill and prowess I have learnt a lot thank-you. The figures you talk about are terminators they are the veteran elite of each space marine chapter. Each chapter of roughly a 1000 Marines is split into 10 company's more or less equal the first company are veterans and about can fight as terminators they can teleport, arrive by dropship, land raider and take up the space of 2 normal marines. They have no jump packs and their armour generally is more ornate. A quick Google search of space marine terminator will provide more info or message me. Thanks Aaron Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/20/#findComment-4320826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted March 2, 2016 Author Share Posted March 2, 2016 Boring: Yeah that's what my son says, all my painting motifs are boring but having been in the military there is very little garishness in current military attire; I can only assume what holds today will hold in the far flung future, at least in some chapters. http://i.imgur.com/fdnOHIh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/fdnOHIhl.jpg All my Space Marines, Cadians, and heavy equipment will sport this green and graphite with gold trim sparsely applied which seems satisfactory to me. The Lackluster Blackadder Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/20/#findComment-4323774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted March 2, 2016 Author Share Posted March 2, 2016 Robed Space Marines: This next entry is ten robed Space Marines. Google doesn't help much and my first inclination is to paint the robes my mixture of green and burnish the armour with graphite powder.... http://i.imgur.com/8zTaFfw.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8zTaFfwl.jpg but I also have a notion to paint the robes crimson à la the Monty Python Inquisitioners. http://i.imgur.com/5LokJ3x.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5LokJ3xl.jpg The pieces came with the jump packs seen here but the google images show regular jump packs In either case it would seem the exhausts and the robes to prove mutually exclusive. http://i.imgur.com/RL8Vftb.jpg http://i.imgur.com/RL8Vftbl.jpg I thought instead to mount mechanical arms packs and convert them into a Space Marine faction of Tech Priests. What if any is the presidence for this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/20/#findComment-4324359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Robed Marines such as therse tended to come from the Space Marine CHapter kown as the Dark Angels, their armour is a very dark green, with linen robes. They do have a number of successor chapters of which I think the Lions of Caliban or somesuch wear silver armour. Unless the robes are fire retardant, yes, they are not very practical, but do conjure amusing images of flying self-immolating marines descending upon an unsuspecting foe. There is no precedent for making these guys tech marines wearing robes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/20/#findComment-4324366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Yup the robes are from the Dark Angel Veteran Squad. Robes are a staple of the 1st Legion (or the DA and their successors), but there is no rule against equipping other marines with them. Especially with DIY chapters you find all colours of robes. So there is nothing wrong with crimson robes. As for the jump packs destroying the robes, we don't really know how the packs work, so we don't know if they incinerate the robes either. On top of that I doubt wax and paper (i,e, purity seals) would survive an ork burna, but they are still everywhere. So don't hesitate to make robed jump troops. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/20/#findComment-4324389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anvilarium Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 There is very little garishness in current military attire; I can only assume what holds today will hold in the far flung future, at least in some chapters. From what I can recall from the early Rogue Trader days, Space Marines eschew the concept of camoflage as they have no need to hide from their enemies (apart from Scouts, obviously!). They are all about shock & awe with surgical precision - smash into a critical enemy position with lightning speed, obliterate them and then depart. Camouflage is the colour of fear... I have no need to hide from my foes... I have no fear of death. My colours I wear openly, they proclaim louder than any words, "I am proud to live - I am proud to die" - Carab Culln of the Red Scorpions. Warhammer 40,000 Compendium, p.84 Having said all that, the same book goes on to contradict this quote by showing Space Marines wearing camouflage colour schemes for specific campaigns.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/20/#findComment-4324950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 For drab olive colours and a nice militaristic symbol, the Raptors chapter would be the best fit for you Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/20/#findComment-4325034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted March 3, 2016 Author Share Posted March 3, 2016 Some thoughts on Uniform colouration........ Where I to employ camouflage in a cityscape I would use WWII German grey, in a forest American olive drab, in a desert British tan; today's uniforms seem to provide identification ah er uniformity (Well Duh!) rather than cover in like hued surroundings with the exception of jungle fatigues and desert storm tan camo recently adopted by our military. As a conservative I am naturally draw to somber accouterments and prefer likewise to deck out my troops in similar attire. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/20/#findComment-4325142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted May 16, 2016 Author Share Posted May 16, 2016 Forward Bolters Well after much soul searching I finally conceded that front firing bolters are not redundant on Thunderhawk as the ball turrets sport turbolasers. So placement of the turret mounts is pretty much ordained by the 3D drawing as nestled up to the froward belt armour. http://i.imgur.com/ZtpGwX3.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ZtpGwX3l.jpg Yeah Blackadder, you leave this thread hanging for months and you show up with one measly image. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/20/#findComment-4396693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted May 18, 2016 Author Share Posted May 18, 2016 Forward Bolters: Since my Thunderhawk is outsized I have elected to use Landraider sponsons. Cutting and placing these sponsons had best be left for the end of the detailing as they have to fit right in the proper position. I was lucky in that with virtually no planning on my part the sponson fit as if I HAD PLANNED IT ALL ALONG? After drilling the corner holes I used an Xacto keyhole saw to cut between the corner holes. http://i.imgur.com/YzZ9TrJ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/YzZ9TrJl.jpg I then pared the excess styrene to the penciled lines and filed the hole carefully for a snug fit of the sponson inner flange.... http://i.imgur.com/X1xZA6s.jpg http://i.imgur.com/X1xZA6sl.jpg The plugs fit snugly; better than I expected. http://i.imgur.com/rkPaVjT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/rkPaVjTl.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/20/#findComment-4398370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted May 20, 2016 Author Share Posted May 20, 2016 I just had an inspiration to make these removable so I can replace them with other weapons or just leave the hull opening sealed with a plug door as in the 3D image..... http://i.imgur.com/VosDIww.jpg http://i.imgur.com/VosDIwwl.jpg Ahhhh to be young and have a choice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/20/#findComment-4400000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn Firewalker Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Good job on the Thunderhawk's forward fuselage. Robed Space Marines: This next entry is ten robed Space Marines. Google doesn't help much and my first inclination is to paint the robes my mixture of green and burnish the armour with graphite powder.... http://i.imgur.com/8zTaFfw.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8zTaFfwl.jpg but I also have a notion to paint the robes crimson à la the Monty Python Inquisitioners. http://i.imgur.com/5LokJ3x.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5LokJ3xl.jpg The pieces came with the jump packs seen here but the google images show regular jump packs In either case it would seem the exhausts and the robes to prove mutually exclusive. http://i.imgur.com/RL8Vftb.jpg http://i.imgur.com/RL8Vftbl.jpg I thought instead to mount mechanical arms packs and convert them into a Space Marine faction of Tech Priests. What if any is the presidence for this? Are the robed Marines from the Dark Angels Chapter, or from the Black Templars? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/20/#findComment-4400097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted May 20, 2016 Author Share Posted May 20, 2016 I have no idea, they were just what seemed to be a squad I put together in the refurbish box. There's dozens of orphan units that need to be identified and brought into some sort of acceptable appearance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/20/#findComment-4400335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted May 22, 2016 Author Share Posted May 22, 2016 Plug In Weapons: At the risk of belaboring the obvious I offer my mechanism for quick change weapons. in the image below I have mounted my Bolter assembly with a sliding bolt lock assembly where you slide out the upper and lower bolts to remove the bolter mount. A simple yet effective solution. http://i.imgur.com/87Fey7N.jpg http://i.imgur.com/87Fey7Nl.jpg Below is the unit removed with one bolt in place and the other removed. http://i.imgur.com/GfwcBIL.jpg http://i.imgur.com/GfwcBILl.jpg Pardon the blurred images please........... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/20/#findComment-4402241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted May 26, 2016 Author Share Posted May 26, 2016 Forward Cargo Interior: One of the first things (in my optimism) I built for this model was the interior lo these many years ago so yesterday I began adapting the floor and walls to fit the amended exterior. http://i.imgur.com/nV9G0z8.jpg http://i.imgur.com/nV9G0z8l.jpg First I had to cut out the floor to accommodate the nose gear housing which worked out rather well as the front reinforcing stringers gave sufficient height to clear the majority of the housing. http://i.imgur.com/dGpclmx.jpg http://i.imgur.com/dGpclmxl.jpg On further inspection of the interior it seems I have room for a few Space Marines on the upper level of the superstructure if the marines can stand and be suspended by a system of beams and hangers; wouldn't that be a rip Of course I will have the interior lighting to show off the upper gallery. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/20/#findComment-4405389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted May 26, 2016 Author Share Posted May 26, 2016 Space Marine Transport Rail I'm looking to add two rows side by side of Space marines to the interior of my T'hawk. I plan that they will be suspended standing upright from an overhead conveyor system as the most efficient system for transporting these soldiers seeing as they are virtually self-contained one man tanks. I seem to recall an image or sketch of such a device but cannot lay my hands on it. Does anyone have a copy or a source for this image? Below is what I have so far found which while sufficient for my purposes aren't quite what I have in mind: http://i.imgur.com/FDNN9TD.jpg http://i.imgur.com/FDNN9TDl.jpg I wish I had this image when I was building my T'hawk, it would have made my guesswork that much easier.... http://i.imgur.com/OVnjuyo.jpg http://i.imgur.com/OVnjuyol.jpg This image isn't actually 40K Space Marines but it does get the point across. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/20/#findComment-4405673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 Dude.... The details are even better, if you ever want a trainee I'll volunteer Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/20/#findComment-4405688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted May 27, 2016 Author Share Posted May 27, 2016 Cargo Ramp: I've finally addressed the issue of the front cargo ramp. this is a problem that has vexed me from day one of this project; how to cram a functioning mechanism into the tiny space available without compromising the exterior aspect of the model...... http://i.imgur.com/zjEoCKR.jpg http://i.imgur.com/zjEoCKRl.jpg Above we see the model as she exists today with some of the exterior detail as yet to be installed. And here is the open maw of the beast with my new hinge assembly installed; Whoohoo! it works! http://i.imgur.com/STMLuiP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/STMLuiPl.jpg Now to show the mechanics of the rather simple device...... http://i.imgur.com/5r02hwx.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5r02hwxl.jpg The piano-style hinge is 3/32 evergreen tubing cut into three pieces with two 0.060 by 0.250 inch tongue straps welded to the tubing and reinforced with 0.020 gussets. A brass wire provides the hinge pin. The assembly slides out for ease of maintenance and repair as the device may be quite flimsy.... http://i.imgur.com/5r02hwx.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5r02hwxl.jpg With the ramp entirely removed the detail of the hinge points is readily seen. http://i.imgur.com/usLHIG3.jpg http://i.imgur.com/usLHIG3l.jpg Also note the cargo floor can be slid forward to facilitate reassembly. The underside of the floor showing the tongue receptacles. http://i.imgur.com/AtOIFyH.jpg http://i.imgur.com/AtOIFyHl.jpg Finally the flexibility of the hinges http://i.imgur.com/i8ChPiI.jpg http://i.imgur.com/i8ChPiIl.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/20/#findComment-4406190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted May 28, 2016 Author Share Posted May 28, 2016 The Best Laid Plans Of mice and men ofttimes go awry. I had intended for this transport to have the capability to disgorge a Rhino but it seems the interior panels have taken up too much clearance http://i.imgur.com/8aJ8Wju.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8aJ8Wjul.jpg Not to worry I have an alternate plan (A cunning plan mayhaps Mr. B?) http://i.imgur.com/vj7VHrx.jpg http://i.imgur.com/vj7VHrxl.jpg My initial intent was to have clam-shell doors à la C124 and assault ramp to accommodate the width of a slick Rhino but I put that aside until I had a good idea of the interior panels requirements. That project is still on the table. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/20/#findComment-4406845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn Firewalker Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Fluff alert: if it can carry a Rhino, it's obviously too big to be a Thunderhawk. Re-title this thread as "scratchbuilt Sokar pattern Stormbird", and we're good to go. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/20/#findComment-4406931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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