Blackadder Posted May 28, 2016 Author Share Posted May 28, 2016 When I worked in the aviation industry there were many aircraft that had oversized and stretch versions. The UH1 helicopter had at least dozens of variations on the standard model being the B but the D model had about twice the cargo area and the Huey Cobra was a variant of the UH1 but a narrow body attack chopper. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_AH-1_SuperCobra Likewise the B727 had the standard 100 series but had the 200 series which was half again as long with much more passenger capacity. Again the Boeing 757 and 767 series was virtually the same aircraft wing, engines and length wise but the 767 was a wide body seating 8 - 9 across and two aisles in tourist where as the 757 had one aisle and seated only 6 across. I think we can accept a larger version of Thunderhawk. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/21/#findComment-4406947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Fluff alert: if it can carry a Rhino, it's obviously too big to be a Thunderhawk. Re-title this thread as "scratchbuilt Sokar pattern Stormbird", and we're good to go. The thunderhawk gunship is not allowed to transport a rhino. The thunderhawk transporter can carry two. I do not remember any rule or fluff saying that the rhino does not physically fit into the gunship. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/21/#findComment-4406950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn Firewalker Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 When I worked in the aviation industry there were many aircraft that had oversized and stretch versions. The UH1 helicopter had at least dozens of variations on the standard model being the B but the D model had about twice the cargo area and the Huey Cobra was a variant of the UH1 but a narrow body attack chopper. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_AH-1_SuperCobra Likewise the B727 had the standard 100 series but had the 200 series which was half again as long with much more passenger capacity. Again the Boeing 757 and 767 series was virtually the same aircraft wing, engines and length wise but the 767 was a wide body seating 8 - 9 across and two aisles in tourist where as the 757 had one aisle and seated only 6 across. I think we can accept a larger version of Thunderhawk. Fair enough. What name will you give this Thunderhawk pattern? It needs a distinctive name to distinguish it from those unable to carry Rhinos, the way Contemptor and Leviathan distinguish more powerful Dreadnought patterns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/21/#findComment-4406963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted May 28, 2016 Author Share Posted May 28, 2016 Mark 2, Stretch, "B" designation, Plus Size; whatever. If played as a game piece I've no problem with the restrictions placed on the/my T'hawk (I don't even play the game;) It doesn't HAVE to carry a Rhino. I just build models and I call it as I see it. FW by necessity has to play by the rules. I do not; I can build any capability into my models that suit my fancy and I from the get-go thought, "Rhino" :D. Hell I don't even like the Rhino as a vehicle, I think it an ill conceived compromise; impossibly small for the duty it has to perform and unworthy of FW's subsequent efforts. Those who follow my threads know I do this for the fun of it; trying to make sense of the FW 40K universe and mainly in doing so try to give some building techniques I've come up with to make scratch building more fun. I don't mean to insinuate my work on the restrictions of the game format. I appreciate the replies and the input and consider you a valued contributor, i.e. you make me think. Ha! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/21/#findComment-4407030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna707 Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Wow this bird is coming along beautifully! I commend you, this is quite an imposing project and you are knocking it out of the park! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/21/#findComment-4407152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Iirc one of the original thunderhawk models did have a Rhino in its front so I wouldn't worry on renaming it etc, I love the nostalgia Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/21/#findComment-4407163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted May 30, 2016 Author Share Posted May 30, 2016 Inside Out: Or how not to build an interior. My ambition has exceeded my good sense as when I started this project I gave little thought to so extravagant an interior. Now I am reaping the benefit of my lack of forethought. http://i.imgur.com/YmvRf7b.jpg http://i.imgur.com/YmvRf7bl.jpg Fortunately I have ample panels to access the interior for modification and upgrade BTW the image above shows the basic nascent Space Marine harness device to safe transport to the planet to be modularly installed into the upper gallery rectangular receptacles shown in the background. This would in fact be the whole length of the upper gallery but for my purposes just the front hanger will be seen. See, I'm not completely crazy................ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/21/#findComment-4408208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted June 9, 2016 Author Share Posted June 9, 2016 There Is No Joy In Mudville: No, I've tried quite a few different pigments and airbrush combinations on various scrap and even on the T'hawk itself 'Horrors! ' and I have found nothing I like better than powdered Aluminum and powdered Graphite hand rubbed into Flat Black Primer so after much soul searching I'm committing to Gray Knights colour scheme and an all metal finish to my Hawk. after about fifteen minutes of of application I feel I made the correct decision, nothing brings out the detail of this model like hand rubbed Aluminium. Note the flat black front and tail still yet to have the aluminum applied......... http://i.imgur.com/zHWLfsR.jpg http://i.imgur.com/zHWLfsRl.jpg Of course there will be Gray Knights red accents and lots more colours http://i.imgur.com/278Y6Hz.jpg http://i.imgur.com/278Y6Hzl.jpg But this is the look I am going for so the next time you see this it will be completely pewter hued. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/21/#findComment-4415903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokaero weaponsmith Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Are you using the harness in the dropods as the basis for your harnesses? As it would stand to reason they would be similar STC. Massive fan of both you work and your dedication please don't stop inspiring. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/21/#findComment-4415943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted June 10, 2016 Author Share Posted June 10, 2016 Are you using the harness in the dropods as the basis for your harnesses? As it would stand to reason they would be similar STC. Massive fan of both you work and your dedication please don't stop inspiring. yeah I'll probably fabricate pod harnesses after I done applying the exteral finish. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/21/#findComment-4416105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted June 11, 2016 Author Share Posted June 11, 2016 Pewter Thunderhawk: (Grey Knights colours still to come.) Oh Gawd, finally for the first time completely together after six years in the making, my very own scratchbuilt version of the Thunderhawk. At 26 inches long and fully articulated; weapons, wings, and landing gear; it's most gratifying to be able to present this effort. http://i.imgur.com/Chw0wI8.jpg There are a few production glitches: http://i.imgur.com/9NPkCHU.jpg All three gears need to be lock indexed to keep from swiveling. http://i.imgur.com/VIw9YfI.jpg The rear shock struts need to be spring loaded to take the weight without collapsing. http://i.imgur.com/r9jQpWw.jpg The rear floor of the forward cargo bay needs to be locked down. http://i.imgur.com/rpFBX7l.jpg The interior is too sparsely furnished and needs to be finished, the rough poster board edges will never do. http://i.imgur.com/TlqrFEr.jpg The ball turrets need mount brackets. http://i.imgur.com/R5tFBqF.jpg and of course the interior lighting. The loading ramp needs an extension to make the disembark angle less extreme........... but all told a most gratifying moment to see this for the first time assembled in her full glory. Martini time; Skoal! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/21/#findComment-4417533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studio Silvernale Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 It's a thing of beauty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/21/#findComment-4417540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stercus Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 Quite the achievement. Kudos, sir. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/21/#findComment-4417601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Six years......that's a level of patience I will never achieve. Could you measure it's wingspan and nose to tail, I'm curious just how much bigger than FW's THawk yours is. Cheers, Jono Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/21/#findComment-4417715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokaero weaponsmith Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Beautiful work . In regards to the steep ramp, as a "real world" solution would they not slightly retract the front landing after the intial landing to lessen the angle, much like a red bus does to allow wheel chair access ? I know it's very easy to make a comment like this at the back end, but one thing I love about you're work is that you add that sense to you're work that this thing would actually work, especially your Titans. As said beautiful work. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/21/#findComment-4417754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted June 12, 2016 Author Share Posted June 12, 2016 Six years......that's a level of patience I will never achieve. Could you measure it's wingspan and nose to tail, I'm curious just how much bigger than FW's THawk yours is. Cheers, Jono If all I worked on was the Thunderhawk that would be much more than I have patience for as well but in that time I also built the Warlord, Land Kreuzer, a couple of modified tanks, finished up ''Lucie'' the Warhound and designed a Lucius Reaver conversion armour to fit over a standard FW Reaver plus painted a Tyranid army including a Harridan and Hierophant, plus two Chaos Warhounds, refurbished and painted a Cadian army and a couple of Space Marine squads &etc; in short ample diversity to keep me from getting tired of working on the T'hawk. Whew! :D Overall length nose to center engine exhaust; 28.5 inches (72.39 CM) vs I believe 19 inches for the FW model. Wing span is 25.5 inches (64.77 CM) I don't have proper spec's for the FW model; funny I was under the impression that my T'hawk was 26 inches long all this time but as I said I've not had it all together until just yesterday Beautiful work . In regards to the steep ramp, as a "real world" solution would they not slightly retract the front landing after the intial landing to lessen the angle, much like a red bus does to allow wheel chair access ? I know it's very easy to make a comment like this at the back end, but one thing I love about you're work is that you add that sense to you're work that this thing would actually work, especially your Titans. As said beautiful work. That's a good idea and much simpler than redesigning the main gear struts; thanks for the suggestion. I always try to engineer my scratch builts as if they had to function in the real world, that's why I am so disenchanted with the main landing gear. Basing my gear on the FW original there is no way that the FW gear could swing forward and still fit into the gear well and the way I ultimately decided the gear had to function consumes too much of the rear superstructure interior. I'm still working on that one. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/21/#findComment-4417798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted June 12, 2016 Author Share Posted June 12, 2016 Blackadder's Fun and Games Perhaps I should stick to what I know but this was kind of fun: http://i.imgur.com/3ho5SiV.jpg http://i.imgur.com/3ho5SiVl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/0nxv2lI.jpg http://i.imgur.com/0nxv2lIl.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/21/#findComment-4418186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 incredible work, you should be very proud! fyi the FW model is 19 inches long by 18 inches wide. I suspect the size on yours is similar to the FW storm bird that has been shown a lot lately - possibly your hawk is even larger than their bird. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/21/#findComment-4418190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted June 13, 2016 Author Share Posted June 13, 2016 Holy moly googled Storm bird and came up with this http://www.spikeybits.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/blogger-image-176366171.jpg I claim priority! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/21/#findComment-4418235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Great stuff as always buddy looks perfect Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/21/#findComment-4418249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShVagYeR Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 That is simply amazing. I applaud your patience and attention to detail. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/21/#findComment-4418394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted June 13, 2016 Author Share Posted June 13, 2016 Thanks for the replies, Afterburners: http://i.imgur.com/CfOefUp.jpg http://i.imgur.com/CfOefUpl.jpg Yeah, well yer just play'n round now Blackadder. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/21/#findComment-4418457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lasuria Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Your work is really outstanding ! Seeing "Lucie" is actually one of the things that gave me the desire to paint again and to improve so that one day I could try to do something as good as you (honestly even half as good and I'll be happy :D) Anyway, please continue to do such inspiring work ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/21/#findComment-4418466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted June 15, 2016 Author Share Posted June 15, 2016 I've been busy of late tiling my bath but I had to express a thanks for all the replies. I'll be doing some painting (on the model) today and with hope a proper update later this week. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/21/#findComment-4420046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted July 2, 2016 Author Share Posted July 2, 2016 Lipstick On A Pig: Ugly as a Warthog most definitely and I finally found my antique can of Krylon 'Rust' Primer this past week; now I can begin painting the detail. http://i.imgur.com/ieicdiW.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ieicdiWl.jpg So with the masking tape removed it's a bit of a letdown http://i.imgur.com/PbRwGBh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/PbRwGBhl.jpg I plan to activate my airbrush later this weekend and see what I can do to perk these images up. http://i.imgur.com/24VkScj.jpg http://i.imgur.com/24VkScjl.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231647-blackadders-scratchbuilt-thunderhawk/page/21/#findComment-4434021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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