Zincite Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 So, I was rather dangerously thinking again, and I thought; What would you call the last Horus Heresy book? Following this line of thought, other things occur to you as well. Assuming BL spilt it up into at least three books, who would write them? And what would you call these other books? Would you just have three books from the Luna Wolves' point of view (and presumably at least one of terra's defenders) or would you have it like Isstan V, which I have spelled that wrong I believe, and have it from the point of view from each of the legions? Do we even want these books? Would they reveal too much and spoil the mysteriousness of the 41st millennium? There are many things that could be 'spoiled' like this, such as whether the Lion is really 'good', the lowering of the shields (did Horus really repent at the last?), and even if the Emperor is really still alive or not. The last in particular worries me, since I've always liked the slight suspision that, maybe, the Chaos Space Marines are right and the Emperor is a dead in mind and body. Thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231896-what-would-you-call-the-last-horus-heresy-book/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Well, your last fear is certainly redundant. The Emperor was definately alive and capable of communicating with others directly for a while after the conclusion of the Siege. So, at the point at which the Heresy could be said to be over (the traitors being driven from Earth and the start of the Scouring) - he was definately alive. There have been less and less instances of him communicating directly over the years after the Heresy if I recall. Whether he has since died, I can t say, and I doubt the books will come out and say - the 40k is a giant con-job and the Emperor is dead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231896-what-would-you-call-the-last-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2789850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codicier Lucion Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 How about "And there is only war..." as a title? But seriously, after all the things the series has gone through, all the good edits to the canon and major reveals it would be a shame to have no conclusion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231896-what-would-you-call-the-last-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2789862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjornsval Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 The End? We are not any where near the end. There is so much to flesh out in between Istvaan and the siege of terra. As far as the final battle on earth,you could do a whole series. There is too much to learn before rushing to the end. sit back and enjoy the ride,when its over its over. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231896-what-would-you-call-the-last-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2789904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zincite Posted June 12, 2011 Author Share Posted June 12, 2011 Whether he has since died, I can t say, and I doubt the books will come out and say - the 40k is a giant con-job and the Emperor is dead. Ah, I realize Horus didn't kill him straight out. But, as you said, is he dead now? But seriously, after all the things the series has gone through, all the good edits to the canon and major reveals it would be a shame to have no conclusion. Oh, I've no doubt we'll have it. But do we fear it? I do... I like the name. :P There is too much to learn before rushing to the end. sit back and enjoy the ride,when its over its over. :rolleyes: I'm not rushing, just putting some of my clearer thoughts outside to see what people think. I'm in no way saying this seriously, just for 'fun'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231896-what-would-you-call-the-last-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2790146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 What I hope for is a Trilogy to wrap things up, Mcneill and ADB should be 2 of the books, not sure on the third really, but I want ADB to write the Emperor/Horus showdown as I feel he does characters/dialog better then the rest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231896-what-would-you-call-the-last-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2790197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codicier Lucion Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Oh, I've no doubt we'll have it. But do we fear it? I do... I like the name. :devil: Oh, well thank you. I was joking but cheers none the less. Honestly though I don't think there's much to fear unless C.S. Goto and Matt Ward co write the last of the series. As Scribe of Khorne suggested, hopefully events will be covered over two or three books rather than crammed into one; with one final novel dealing with the direct aftermath of the heresy. Well, perhaps a number of short stories more than a full novel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231896-what-would-you-call-the-last-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2790215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Stromclaw Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Yes, The Seige of Terra should be done in atleast three, if not more books. Abnett, ADB, and McNeil should each get atleast one each. But that won't be the end. The Horus Heresy series has been something of a goldmine to BL, so they'll probably stretch it out to deal with the Scouring, the Iron Cage, maybe all the way to Russ's disappearance and Dorn's death. Remember, this is a profit interested organization we're talking about. So long as they are making money they won't stop. They'll just keep slapping the Horus Heresy label on until the $ stops rolling in. And if they keep the quality the way it's been, I don't mind if they do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231896-what-would-you-call-the-last-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2790235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 I would think the 'final' HH book as far as the events we normally associate with the HH, should start with the Big E and crew getting aboard the flagship of Horus, you could easily then tell the story of the battle through the ship, the sites of it, the horror, and have a big fat dialog between Sang - Horus, Emp - Horus, and then finally the victory over Horus, and internment into the Golden Throne. Running parrallel to that you could show some of what is going on with the ground forces what was Chaos aiming to do once the Emperor had gone into orbit, what did they accomplish, that kind of thing. That should seal up the end of HH series imo. If they want to then get a new smaller scale mini series, they can do the followup stories, but frankly I dont think they are as relevant to the HH mythos at that point. I dont particularly care that Angon and Sons rampaged through the Galaxy on the way to the Eye, or that the Imp. Fists, and Iron Warriors had it out. Could great stories come out of that? Sure, but its not the Heresy after that, and I hope that BL/GW doesnt bleed out the relevance to the core story for the sake of a holding onto the name "The Horus Heresy" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231896-what-would-you-call-the-last-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2790298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninja6fett Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 I would think the 'final' HH book as far as the events we normally associate with the HH, should start with the Big E and crew getting aboard the flagship of Horus, you could easily then tell the story of the battle through the ship, the sites of it, the horror, and have a big fat dialog between Sang - Horus, Emp - Horus, and then finally the victory over Horus, and internment into the Golden Throne. Running parrallel to that you could show some of what is going on with the ground forces what was Chaos aiming to do once the Emperor had gone into orbit, what did they accomplish, that kind of thing. That should seal up the end of HH series imo. If they want to then get a new smaller scale mini series, they can do the followup stories, but frankly I dont think they are as relevant to the HH mythos at that point. I dont particularly care that Angon and Sons rampaged through the Galaxy on the way to the Eye, or that the Imp. Fists, and Iron Warriors had it out. Could great stories come out of that? Sure, but its not the Heresy after that, and I hope that BL/GW doesnt bleed out the relevance to the core story for the sake of a holding onto the name "The Horus Heresy" I agree that the end of the Horus Heresy series proper should end at either the end of the siege of Terra or shortly afterward. And I would love it if they started a new series set in the intervening 10,000 years. Also, Abnett, McNeil and ADB are my votes for the final three authors in the series. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231896-what-would-you-call-the-last-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2790493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Vote for a trilogy by ADB, Abnett and McNeil. Although... While the first trilogy-by-different-authors worked brilliantly, I don't know whether other 'companion' books have worked as well together as those three did. There's possibly a case for giving one author a multi-book arc to do the story justice. Two problems with that of course: it would be impossible to pick just one of the three authors we've mentioned, and it would make the final three books take way way longer. I'm less interested in exploring the 10,000 years between the Heresy and the "present" as I would be to see more Great Crusade and HH novels that deal with others parts of those events ONCE the main narrative is done with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231896-what-would-you-call-the-last-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2790641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phebrickid Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 or would you have it like Isstan V, which I have spelled that wrong I believe, and have it from the point of view from each of the legions? sorry to get a bit off topic, but which of the books detail Isstvan V, I finished galaxy in flames and I'm at a loss as to where to go from there in an attempt to follow the saga chronologically. I would like to see another trilogy to close the series and I'm definately with everyone else on who should write them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231896-what-would-you-call-the-last-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2793642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 or would you have it like Isstan V, which I have spelled that wrong I believe, and have it from the point of view from each of the legions? sorry to get a bit off topic, but which of the books detail Isstvan V, I finished galaxy in flames and I'm at a loss as to where to go from there in an attempt to follow the saga chronologically. I would like to see another trilogy to close the series and I'm definately with everyone else on who should write them Fulgrim is the next in the series I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231896-what-would-you-call-the-last-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2793767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droma Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 I'm guessing they will write all the way through to the establishing of the 2nd founding. I know I'd like to see the conclusion of the DA storyline and the fight between Lion/Luther takes place after the siege of terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231896-what-would-you-call-the-last-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2793996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 I dunno about titles, but I know how the Horus Heresy series proper should end; it should re-quote the start of the Horus Rising book: "I was there the day the Emperor died..." or would you have it like Isstan V, which I have spelled that wrong I believe, and have it from the point of view from each of the legions? sorry to get a bit off topic, but which of the books detail Isstvan V, I finished galaxy in flames and I'm at a loss as to where to go from there in an attempt to follow the saga chronologically. I would like to see another trilogy to close the series and I'm definately with everyone else on who should write them Horus Rising False Gods Galaxy In Flames The Flight of the Eisenstein Fulgrim Descent of Angels Legion Battle for the Abyss Mechanicum Tales of Heresy Fallen Angels A Thousand Sons Nemesis The First Heretic Prospero Burns Age of Darkness And the next 3 scheduled: The Outcast Dead - The Truth Lies Within (McNeill, Nov 2011) Deliverance Lost - War Within The Shadows (Thorpe, Jan 2012, Raven Guard) Know No Fear (Abnett, March 2012) DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231896-what-would-you-call-the-last-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2794022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phebrickid Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Thanks DV8 and Perrin - I'll have to get a couple more ordered once I've finished reading the collected visions :drool: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231896-what-would-you-call-the-last-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2795446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCCCXXXVII Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 How about "And there is only war..." as a title? First thing that popped into my head! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231896-what-would-you-call-the-last-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2797299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 I don't know about the title, but I really want either the first or last sentence to be "I was there. I was there the day the Emperor killed Horus" from Loken's mouth :P It would tie the series together brilliantly. I always thought the last book would be Endgame. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231896-what-would-you-call-the-last-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2797339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 I don't know about the title, but I really want either the first or last sentence to be "I was there. I was there the day the Emperor killed Horus" from Loken's mouth :D It would tie the series together brilliantly. defo gets my vote Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231896-what-would-you-call-the-last-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2797404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retributis Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Aye, book ending it with that would be epic to the max. Or they could go all ironic and satirical and have the last line be "All is well" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231896-what-would-you-call-the-last-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2797466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunslinger87 Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 I doubt they will be able to resist all those tempting stories that took place shortly after the HH. Perhaps it will be called a new series though (again, questionable as it is easier to market s NYT bestselling series, although it is technically no longer the Horus Heresy) but this is all sooooo long away. Just think where we are in about 10 years of the series. :-) and I think that is a great thing. This is one series I don't want to end... ;-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231896-what-would-you-call-the-last-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2798059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
facmanpob Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 I don't know about the title, but I really want either the first or last sentence to be "I was there. I was there the day the Emperor killed Horus" from Loken's mouth ;) It would tie the series together brilliantly. Particularly if he is dictating his thoughts to Mersadie Oliton again......Mersadie did survive the trip back to Terra on the Eisenstein didn't she? (can't quite remember!) As for book titles, I think one could be called "The Siege of Terra", or simply just "Terra", and detail the initial attacks on Terra and take us up to the point at which the Big E steps in, leading to a final book called, oh I don't know, "The Emperor Strikes Back"....... maybe ^_^ They could tie up the series with a final book called "Codex", which takes us up to the 2nd Founding, and time it to coincide with the release of a new SM codex....let's face it, we could be in 6th Edition rules by the time the series finishes! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231896-what-would-you-call-the-last-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2798076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirax Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 I don't know about the title, but I really want either the first or last sentence to be "I was there. I was there the day the Emperor killed Horus" from Loken's mouth :D It would tie the series together brilliantly. Particularly if he is dictating his thoughts to Mersadie Oliton again......Mersadie did survive the trip back to Terra on the Eisenstein didn't she? (can't quite remember!) As for book titles, I think one could be called "The Siege of Terra", or simply just "Terra", and detail the initial attacks on Terra and take us up to the point at which the Big E steps in, leading to a final book called, oh I don't know, "The Emperor Strikes Back"....... maybe ;) They could tie up the series with a final book called "Codex", which takes us up to the 2nd Founding, and time it to coincide with the release of a new SM codex....let's face it, we could be in 6th Edition rules by the time the series finishes! More like seventh ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231896-what-would-you-call-the-last-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2798205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 I don't know about the title, but I really want either the first or last sentence to be "I was there. I was there the day the Emperor killed Horus" from Loken's mouth :D It would tie the series together brilliantly. Particularly if he is dictating his thoughts to Mersadie Oliton again......Mersadie did survive the trip back to Terra on the Eisenstein didn't she? (can't quite remember!) As for book titles, I think one could be called "The Siege of Terra", or simply just "Terra", and detail the initial attacks on Terra and take us up to the point at which the Big E steps in, leading to a final book called, oh I don't know, "The Emperor Strikes Back"....... maybe ;) They could tie up the series with a final book called "Codex", which takes us up to the 2nd Founding, and time it to coincide with the release of a new SM codex....let's face it, we could be in 6th Edition rules by the time the series finishes! More like seventh :P Especially with what the rumours are saying about 6th edition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231896-what-would-you-call-the-last-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2798410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 I think the final book should be the Iron Cage, the Codex Astartes and the foundation of the Imperium as we know it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231896-what-would-you-call-the-last-horus-heresy-book/#findComment-2798428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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