Marshal Rohr Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Probably Feral ones. And the ones that arn't really that important. Look, if our own governments monitor our phones, what do you think the freaking Inquisition would do? Its the inquisition... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231922-the-ultramarines-throughout-the-editions/page/5/#findComment-2796788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 It's a most recent source...can't remember it. It might be Chapter's Due. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231922-the-ultramarines-throughout-the-editions/page/5/#findComment-2796798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Seeing as how Ultramar hosts an Inquisiton Fortress World, I think that makes perfect sense. Would you expect there to be LESS Inquisitorial presence around an Inquisition base world? I'm sure Talasa Prime has spy satillites out keeping Ultramar safe - a safe Ultramar is a safe Talasa Prime. And no matter how much you trust the most efficient and powerful Chapter in the galaxy, it'd be REALLY REALLY stupid not to err on the side of caution and keep an eye on them.....just in case. If anyone has the power to seriously make a mess of the Imperium, it's the Ultramarines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231922-the-ultramarines-throughout-the-editions/page/5/#findComment-2796862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 I don't think it's supposed to actually be the reasoned conclusion of the Imperial government. I imagine it probably is. Whether the Imperial Government's reasoned conclusions are actually right (this being the same High Lords who have declared the Alpha Legion wiped out and who let Goge Vandire into power) is another matter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231922-the-ultramarines-throughout-the-editions/page/5/#findComment-2796949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 I don't think it's supposed to actually be the reasoned conclusion of the Imperial government. I imagine it probably is. Whether the Imperial Government's reasoned conclusions are actually right (this being the same High Lords who have declared the Alpha Legion wiped out and who let Goge Vandire into power) is another matter. The same High Lords who declared that are long since dust. We don't have information on the current ones. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231922-the-ultramarines-throughout-the-editions/page/5/#findComment-2797061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatcrusade08 Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 It's a most recent source...can't remember it. It might be Chapter's Due. yes it was chapters due, Calgar shocked the inquisition with his knowledge of them, they were supposed to be super secret and in betrayal of the deal brokered between the two factions about the level of interference from the INQ in ultramar affairs... they let them have bases but they werent supposed to snoop. Calgar didnt seem overly bothered by it, i figure he knew about "the nature of the beast" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231922-the-ultramarines-throughout-the-editions/page/5/#findComment-2797065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 That and I figure he knows he has nothing to hide therefore the pragmatics of the Inquisition's snooping is that there is no negative impact. And extra vigilance is extra protection for no extra cost to his resources. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231922-the-ultramarines-throughout-the-editions/page/5/#findComment-2797092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted June 19, 2011 Author Share Posted June 19, 2011 It is not all that surprising, as I tried to express in the form of a rethorical question. All Imperial worlds of a certain minimal significance will likely have such satelites. For if such a technology exists, why don't use it at every opportunity? I was mainly surprised because I had never heard of the concept of Inquisitorial satelites before. And the fact that this was established in context with the worlds of Ultramar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231922-the-ultramarines-throughout-the-editions/page/5/#findComment-2797094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 I think the idea of Calgar making the Inquisition feel dumb is kinda hilarious. "Oh he's just a Space Marine commander, he doesn't know anything" "Oh wait, he's Marneus Calgar, probably the single most politically powerful and well connected guy active in the Imperium!! How did we miss that!??!?" *herp derp* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231922-the-ultramarines-throughout-the-editions/page/5/#findComment-2797183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted June 19, 2011 Author Share Posted June 19, 2011 I don't find it quite as funny, seeing as how McNeill once again used that novel mainly to establish how dumb the Codex Astartes is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231922-the-ultramarines-throughout-the-editions/page/5/#findComment-2797206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 Legs why are you even surprised at McNeill anymore. The man is the Behemoth to your Prandium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231922-the-ultramarines-throughout-the-editions/page/5/#findComment-2797263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Emperor's Champion Posted June 19, 2011 Share Posted June 19, 2011 LOL Too true. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231922-the-ultramarines-throughout-the-editions/page/5/#findComment-2797313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 I don't think it's supposed to actually be the reasoned conclusion of the Imperial government. I imagine it probably is. Whether the Imperial Government's reasoned conclusions are actually right (this being the same High Lords who have declared the Alpha Legion wiped out and who let Goge Vandire into power) is another matter. The same High Lords who declared that are long since dust. We don't have information on the current ones. Same entity. They make very bad calls on a regular basis. Incompetence and Kafka-esque bureacracy are pretty much staples of the Imperium and the universe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231922-the-ultramarines-throughout-the-editions/page/5/#findComment-2798411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 I don't think it's supposed to actually be the reasoned conclusion of the Imperial government. I imagine it probably is. Whether the Imperial Government's reasoned conclusions are actually right (this being the same High Lords who have declared the Alpha Legion wiped out and who let Goge Vandire into power) is another matter. The same High Lords who declared that are long since dust. We don't have information on the current ones. Same entity. They make very bad calls on a regular basis. Given that we've seen only a very tiny portion of their ten thousand year history, I think that's a hasty assumption to make. Different High Lords would have different competancy levels I would imagine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231922-the-ultramarines-throughout-the-editions/page/5/#findComment-2798431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zincite Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 *World Eater walks in. Screams incoherently for a moment, before realizing the stupid Imperials are doing his job for him. Again* *Walks out to find some of those sissy Space Wolves. Maybe they would stop arguing long enough for him to hit something.* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231922-the-ultramarines-throughout-the-editions/page/5/#findComment-2799377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 I don't think it's supposed to actually be the reasoned conclusion of the Imperial government. I imagine it probably is. Whether the Imperial Government's reasoned conclusions are actually right (this being the same High Lords who have declared the Alpha Legion wiped out and who let Goge Vandire into power) is another matter. The same High Lords who declared that are long since dust. We don't have information on the current ones. Same entity. They make very bad calls on a regular basis. Given that we've seen only a very tiny portion of their ten thousand year history, I think that's a hasty assumption to make. Different High Lords would have different competancy levels I would imagine. Imperium=Time of Ending. In most political entities, government tends to play a part in that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231922-the-ultramarines-throughout-the-editions/page/5/#findComment-2799417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 I don't think it's supposed to actually be the reasoned conclusion of the Imperial government. I imagine it probably is. Whether the Imperial Government's reasoned conclusions are actually right (this being the same High Lords who have declared the Alpha Legion wiped out and who let Goge Vandire into power) is another matter. The same High Lords who declared that are long since dust. We don't have information on the current ones. Same entity. They make very bad calls on a regular basis. Given that we've seen only a very tiny portion of their ten thousand year history, I think that's a hasty assumption to make. Different High Lords would have different competancy levels I would imagine. Imperium=Time of Ending. In most political entities, government tends to play a part in that. Which ignores various other factors contributing to the time of ending, plus that's also ignoring that the High Lords of .999 M41 will be different than the High Lords of .999 M40 or the High Lords of .345 M32 or the High Lords or .55M34. You lump an entire govermental position's competancy based on a few examples in a ten thousand years history. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231922-the-ultramarines-throughout-the-editions/page/5/#findComment-2799484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Gree is just asking the questions that everyone else is afraid too! Leave him alone! Its hard to be the devil's advocate in literally every. single. thread. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231922-the-ultramarines-throughout-the-editions/page/5/#findComment-2799537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 You exaggerate. I'm hardly the devil's advocate in every single thread. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231922-the-ultramarines-throughout-the-editions/page/5/#findComment-2799572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 Come on guys, you are talking about the Imperial Government as if it is a coherent entity. There is no Government of the Imperium. The running is a chaotic mix of autonomous planetary systems, contradictory deparmental organisations stamping their authority on everything and the High Lords occassionally coming together to pool their resources because their own selfish endeavours require it. The causes of the "End Times" is due to over extension of Imperial military, in part. This must be caused by Imperial Policy, which implies at least some sort of centric authority to have made the decision to launch far too many Crusades. Likely I would blame the religous arms of the Imperium, since the Crusades were the Redemption Crusades. This of course could be a decision supported by other Imperial institutions, like the head of the Departmentum Munitorum (sp?) knowing his power base is increased if more Imperial Armies are raised etc. Let's not forget the Age of Apostasy and High Lord Vandire, which started all this mess in the first place. That was certainly a governmental decision. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231922-the-ultramarines-throughout-the-editions/page/5/#findComment-2800205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Gree is just asking the questions that everyone else is afraid too! Leave him alone! Its hard to be the devil's advocate in literally every. single. thread. You exaggerate. I'm hardly the devil's advocate in every single thread. Yeah c'mon M2C. 9/10 ≠ 10/10 :cuss ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/231922-the-ultramarines-throughout-the-editions/page/5/#findComment-2800642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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