Alpha Legion (SPOILERS)

[Candleshoes]

The First Heretic reveals information before the dropsite massacres on Istvaan, that point firmly to the fact that the Traitor Primarchs understand what drove the Alpha Legion to leave the Emperor's side. The reach, influence, and increasing familiarity of unchecked xenos within the domain of man is an abomination to everything they believe in. No side was taken after the revelations in Legion, and it is not mentioned again till TFH, which points to it being a reason against their "loyalty" to the Emperor, rather, they used this in order to serve their own goals, while fighting for Horus who will place them in the best position to achieve them.

 

I totally missed this in that novel. What is the page reference please?

 

Don't have access to my novel at the moment, but the scene where Lorgar pays introductions to each of the soon to be turncoat primarchs, before the Dropsite Massacres. He lists off the reasons that each of the Legions turned, or what they had against the Imperium, or what wrongs were committed against them.

 

It is mentioned here by Lorgar that the AL joined the Wamaster in response to the Imperium's failure to keep interfering Xenos under control. We know that the Cabal could never have succeeded in contacting and opening discussions with any of the other Legions, and that they sought out the AL. There is truth in what Lorgar is saying to a point. Is there truth in the fact that they felt that the Cabal underestimated them, their ambitions, their intentions? Very likely, as they are the one Legion who cannot stand the idea that someone knows more than them. It is said that the greatest lies ever told are often the truth. Could they have used their encounter with the Cabal for their own gain and machinations in the coming conflict? Of course. Would they be so devious as to use the Cabal encounter itself as the reason their peer and brother Legions believe in their support? It is a possibility.

 

The Alpha Legion have never harbored any love for Xenos, nor the knowledge and technology that come with them, which leads to a possibility that the reason Lorgar gives at the "conference" is indeed a truthful one, obviously it is only a small portion of the truth, but truth nonetheless. Either the reason was given by the Legion itself, or Lorgar used his "psychic intuition" that he displayed in the first chapter of Aurelian in sensing Fulgrim's secret. This also ties into the possibility of why they act as representatives of the Warmaster, as shown in the latest short story set AOD.

 

As it says in Legion "...honesty is the only really valueable currency...", maybe that was the gift they gave Horus, the gift that allowed them to place themselves in a position to see their own plans through, to the end.

[Lord Ragnarok]

The First Heretic reveals information before the dropsite massacres on Istvaan, that point firmly to the fact that the Traitor Primarchs understand what drove the Alpha Legion to leave the Emperor's side. The reach, influence, and increasing familiarity of unchecked xenos within the domain of man is an abomination to everything they believe in. No side was taken after the revelations in Legion, and it is not mentioned again till TFH, which points to it being a reason against their "loyalty" to the Emperor, rather, they used this in order to serve their own goals, while fighting for Horus who will place them in the best position to achieve them.

 

I totally missed this in that novel. What is the page reference please?

 

Don't have access to my novel at the moment, but the scene where Lorgar pays introductions to each of the soon to be turncoat primarchs, before the Dropsite Massacres. He lists off the reasons that each of the Legions turned, or what they had against the Imperium, or what wrongs were committed against them.

 

It is mentioned here by Lorgar that the AL joined the Wamaster in response to the Imperium's failure to keep interfering Xenos under control. We know that the Cabal could never have succeeded in contacting and opening discussions with any of the other Legions, and that they sought out the AL. There is truth in what Lorgar is saying to a point. Is there truth in the fact that they felt that the Cabal underestimated them, their ambitions, their intentions? Very likely, as it they are the one Legion who cannot stand the idea that someone knows more than them. It is said that the greatest lies ever told are often the truth. Could they have used their encounter with the Cabal for their own gain and machinations in the coming conflict? Of course. Would they be so devious as to use the Cabal encounter itself as the reason their peer and brother Legions believe in their support? It is a possibility.

 

The Alpha Legion have never harbored any love for Xenos, nor the knowledge and technology that come with them, which leads to a possibility that the reason Lorgar gives at the "conference" is indeed a truthful one, obviously it is only a small portion of the truth, but truth nonetheless. Either the reason was given by the Legion itself, or Lorgar used his "psychic intuition" that he displayed in the first chapter of Aurelian in sensing Fulgrim's secret. This also ties into the possibility of why they act as representatives of the Warmaster, as shown in the latest short story set AOD.

 

As it says in Legion "...honesty is the only really valueable currency...", maybe that was the gift they gave Horus, the gift that allowed them to place themselves in a position to see their own plans through, to the end.

 

 

Thanks. Very intriguing. I've been in a flux with my favorite traitor Legion after that book but this makes sense. And has a very unique angle.

[The 13th Goat]

The Alpha Legion have never harbored any love for Xenos, nor the knowledge and technology that come with them, which leads to a possibility that the reason Lorgar gives at the "conference" is indeed a truthful one, obviously it is only a small portion of the truth, but truth nonetheless. Either the reason was given by the Legion itself, or Lorgar used his "psychic intuition" that he displayed in the first chapter of Aurelian in sensing Fulgrim's secret. This also ties into the possibility of why they act as representatives of the Warmaster, as shown in the latest short story set AOD.

 

But why save Corax? And why did they allow the Cabal to leave alive?

 

I don't know, there is almost no clear evidence pointing either way, but I find the idea that they started out as covertly loyal more interesting. I think the passage you refer to is speculation on Lorgar's part as oppossed to an accurate assesment of motive. As for "psychic intuition", I'm not sure that was it. Surely Magnus would have sensed that first? I think he recognised the feel of the warp powers in possesion of Fulgrim, but that would bare no resembelance to the thoughts of another Primarch.

[Candleshoes]

But why save Corax?

 

There is no evidence to suggest otherwise that Corax living was not a direct command by Horus himself, given through his Alpha Legion representative, which are tasked to enforce the Warmaster's will. The duality of the disguise is just an effective means of control. Chaos has big plans, so does Horus, and so does Alpharius, and stabbing a Primarch in the back, especially one so unstable as Corax, is hardly an intelligent desicion. Even Horus himself was angered at what happened to Ferrus and the way it happened, and that could have severely affected his desicions in the future.

 

Also remember there has been an entire novel dedicated to the diversion of an assassination of a Primarch, which very well may have been directed by a Loyalist. There is no shortage of why Corax should be saved, as opposed to die like a rat.

 

And why did they allow the Cabal to leave alive?

 

Nobody knows the status of the Cabal after the events. If anything, the Alpha Legion purging all forms of loyal life in the expeditionary fleet point in the direction that they chose to kill everyone involved in what happened, if their own expeditionary fleet was not safe, what made untrustworthy manipulating xenos safe? In the end, they are the ones with the choice, to follow a set of visions, or forge their own path for themselves. They will always do the latter, whether it so happens to aid something the Cabal said or not.

 

I think the passage you refer to is speculation on Lorgar's part as oppossed to an accurate assesment of motive. As for "psychic intuition", I'm not sure that was it.

 

For the last found, least known, and least seen Primarch with a mere two decades of experience under his belt, it seems like a pretty spot on speculation. We also known there is truth in the speculation, as the Cabal themselves approached them in a manner and with a request that would change humanity. They will never suffer manipulation by peers, manipulation by xenos is beyond reproach. Horus was the only one in the past storyline that Alpharius connected with and put faith in. There is as much of a possibility that the Alpha Legion used the events with the Cabal to fuel the coming civil war, and buy their loyalty in Horus' bid for the throne. Every Legion had a concrete reason to be on one side or the other, and the other kids swimming in the pool can see if your standing on the edge with only one foot in. They needed something believable to earn their place among fallen, speculating that they just don't like aliens is not good enough to most readers, and certainly wouldn't have been good enough for the players in the game of thrones. Most of these players either had their hands forced by the architects, decades before the heresy, or originally had problems that everyone knew about. Martial Pride was always supposed to be why the Alpha Legion turned, which oddly when given Lorgar's assessment of motive, and no other incident of Xenos problems (save a request to Horus for a capaign against the Orks), the speculation seems very specific and accurate.

 

Surely Magnus would have sensed that first? I think he recognised the feel of the warp powers in possesion of Fulgrim, but that would bare no resembelance to the thoughts of another Primarch.

 

Though he is the most psychically charged Primarch, all Primarchs stand as burning suns in the warp, all primarchs have some connection to different aspects in the immaterial, just as they have an enormous presence in the material. If Alpharius was the Emperor's cunning and applied intelligence, there is no reason why he could not cloud his intentions to his brothers. I doubt Magnus ever met Alpharius Omegon and even when appearing as an apparition, he stands amongst a hologram. On this same wave length, if Magnus could not sense 2 souls, probability lies in that he cannot derive intention.