TennisBall Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Hello all, first post here and I'll use it to ask this. The legions were broken up to form chapters but how was this done. Were the chapters, grand companies or similar of the legions simply sheared off to be their own organisations or were they broken up and recombined to form chapters that better fitted the combined arms concept of the codex? The Imperial Fists seem to have split based on personality but what of the others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Some Legions had already used "Chapters" as sub units within the Legion, so I assume for them it was more or less simply a matter of removing that Chapter from the overall hierarchy of the former Legion. Though they were probably all given a new HQ (with librarium, arsenal, armoury, etc.) and a personal fleet. But not all Legions had used Chapters, and those other Legions probably had to reorganize their great companies a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Most likely legions each had their own method to how they wanted to be split up. There's a couple important questions that would need to be answered to give decent inference. How large were the original chapters? They might have been 1,000 but given the size of the legions, they may have been larger. Were the legions forced into being split a certain number of times? What I mean is, did Guillimen tell the legions how many chapters had to be formed or were they allowed to decide on their own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unintentional Batman Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Wolves dumped all undesirables into the successor chapter. I think Ultras formed chapters from the old great companies they had on 1:1 basis (might be completely mistaken, tho). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennisBall Posted August 6, 2011 Author Share Posted August 6, 2011 It sounds like there is a big hole in the fluff then which is good in a way as it's something that can be explored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The emperors chosen Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 I think they just broken each legion down to 1000 man chapters, along with the associated support. Remember, not all legions were able to split at first, the Iron Hands being a notable example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 I think they just broken each legion down to 1000 man chapters, along with the associated support. Remember, not all legions were able to split at first, the Iron Hands being a notable example. You mean the Salamanders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 Wolves dumped all undesirables into the successor chapter. Actually no, it's a fan theory that's been circulating around for a while now but Battle of the Fang disproves that. The Wolf brothers were given half of everything and intended to be just as powerful and strong as the Wolves as the start of a series of Russ sucessor chapters around the Eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 The Fists split by disposition and not organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unintentional Batman Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 Actually no, it's a fan theory that's been circulating around for a while now but Battle of the Fang disproves that. Okay. I stand corrected. But it also seems like I won't be reading Battle of the Fang. And as getting rid of all the undesirables sounds cooler than bowing to Guilliman's ideas, I will continue considering that to be the canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codicier Lucion Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 The Word Bearers had the first actual chapters from what details have been revealed, with their legion already being broken up into small mobile forces in place of grand companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 In the story "Call of the Lion" in the Anthology "Tales of heresy" the Dark Angels Legion was also described as being organised into Chapters of ten companies of a hundred warriors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Was the 2nd Founding after the Scouring? The Salamanders didnt take part in the 2nd Founding, but everyone else did and the Ultras produced 16 recorded chapters (plus any number of unrecorded/DIY/fan-made chapters). I'd guess that they jst divided up companies/chapters into new Chapters, maybe putting two companies together to create a 2nd founding Chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Most legions apparently already followed a Legion > Chapter > Company > Squad > Combat Squad > Marine format from their original founding. Some, like the Wolve, chose a more "Great Company" format of Legion > Company > Squad > Marine. We know that when the time came to break down into smaller "Chapters", the Ultramarines were already structured in that manner, as were the Dark Angels. We also know that the Imperial Fist split along idiological lines rather than stay with their Legoin > Company > Squad format (they jumped straight to Marine > Chapter > Company > Squad). In the end, each legion had to do it their own way. Those that could do it easily, did. Those that couldn't, didn't. SJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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