Beachymike123 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 as a player of many years and originally into the dark angels, i have one very big question regarding the Unforgiven. feel free to call me a numpty at this but its something in my (over a) decade of playing that has never been truly answered. when the dark angels were first aired and shown, they wore black armour on their models and in all artwork. i know that in mid to late rogue trader days they went from black to green, but their fluff was always kept that they were black pre to late heresy, and then after the heresy they changed their armour from black to green to mark themselves apart from the fallen. my question is, really, fluff rellated, when did the dark angels exactly change the colour of their armour? i ask this because of cypher, who is the most renowned fallen angel but who has green armour as opposed to black. and am i right in thinking that he originally had black armour when he first appeared model wise? i ask this question out of sheer curiosity, and hope that some more learned battle brothers than i can answer this one. take care brothers, and look forward to your response. leinmann Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237036-black-or-green/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 This change probably took place when the 2nd Founding split the Dark Angels Legion into Chapters, with the Dark Angels switching to green and the Angels of Vengeance getting the black. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237036-black-or-green/#findComment-2857875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beachymike123 Posted August 25, 2011 Author Share Posted August 25, 2011 a fair answer brother tyler, but why then does cypher have green armour as opposed to the black of the original legion? i appreciate your answer, and it very much holds alot of truth. 3rd edition codex says that the angels of vengeance took the original legion colour as opposed to the dark angels themselves taking it themselves. you've got the memories rolling now remembering reading that lol, but why is it cypher has green armour of the modern dark angels as opposed to black of the original legion where he was from?but thank you for the reply, and your input is very much truthful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237036-black-or-green/#findComment-2857890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Many players, myself included, chalk Cypher's armour color up to a mistake on the part of 'Eavy Metal. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237036-black-or-green/#findComment-2857910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander S. Caesare Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Well said, Brother Tyler! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237036-black-or-green/#findComment-2857912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beachymike123 Posted August 26, 2011 Author Share Posted August 26, 2011 a fair comment and one i believe none of us can argue with brother tyler. would love to see a pic of cypher in his true colours. years ago, when i played as chaos, my chaos veteran squad was made up of fallen angels from the original metal dark angels minis. somehow, they now form my my honour guard in my DIY chapter, despite there being at least 4 armies in between lol. also, whats this that cypher's last known location was fighting the deceiver and lost his c'tan phase knife? any verification? btw, i ain't cypher's biggest fan, just he seems to have re-emerged over the last couple of years Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237036-black-or-green/#findComment-2857920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander S. Caesare Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I know someone here in this forum has a HUGE Fallen Angel army, very good artwork on the good note. But I don't know his name! He probably has a Cypher in the midst of the army, so I hope you can find him. Here's was my old pre-heresy Dark Angel if you plan to make your minis black. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237036-black-or-green/#findComment-2857925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 It's the best real life answer that can be given however a fluff reason could simply be that he repainted his armor to blend in ; ) would love to see a pic of cypher in his true colours Start painting! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237036-black-or-green/#findComment-2858026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Droma Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Who knows the HH books may retcon it so the traitor DA painted their armor green for caliban before the Lion shows back up. I'd be really annoyed by that but who knows where the DA storyline is going there is a lot of wiggle room there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237036-black-or-green/#findComment-2858087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coot83 Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I painted my cypher in black armor too as I feel the fallen should be in the old armor. I also gave him a squad of ten "chosen" marines with robed bodies and FW mark III armor. I will see if I can snap a pic. Coot Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237036-black-or-green/#findComment-2858126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrael Turnbull Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 but why is it cypher has green armour of the modern dark angels as opposed to black of the original legion where he was from? Cypher is supposed to have black armour. I've seen plenty of Black Cypher's; just some people get mixed up. I hope this helps. B) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237036-black-or-green/#findComment-2858178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Azeikel Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I agree that the dark angels would have repainted their armour around the time of the second founding. However maybe the fact that Cypher is green is because he is not an original fallen angel as some think and he fell after the repainting took place. This might explain why he seems so apart from other fallen angels (he seems to have his own agenda) as he didn't fall at the same time as them and thus has different experiences shaping his outlook on the universe. Azeikel Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237036-black-or-green/#findComment-2858185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Galfridus Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Funny I just ordered a cypher yesterday :) I'm going to paint him in preheresy colours until the HH fleshes out the colour change some more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237036-black-or-green/#findComment-2858194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Neo Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 with cyphers model release i believe there was a story attached stating that nobody knows who he is or where he comes from but you can catch a glimpse of his green armour under his robes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237036-black-or-green/#findComment-2858221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 There was also the GW fluff that some of the fallen DA have taken to painting their armour green after the modern DA. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237036-black-or-green/#findComment-2858229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 It might have been a mistake on their part,but it can be explained easily too. Cypher has appeared on countless systems and some people view him as hero for various reasons. Painting your armor in the likeness of a marine chapter is a good way to earn their trust and make them more susseptible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237036-black-or-green/#findComment-2858272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragons Malice Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Without checking the codex, wouldn't the Marines that know the truth behind the Fallen be in Black and the newer un-enlightened Marines be given the Green. Hence the Deathwing and Ravenwing being in Black until the Deathwing changed to White/Bone to honour the dead after a particular epic battle. IMO Cypher should be in Black as well the rest of the Fallen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237036-black-or-green/#findComment-2858294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 The latest chaos codex has a robe marine in DA green with black robes so chalk up one more mistake. I hope the HH books explain the color change. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237036-black-or-green/#findComment-2858376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Allegedly if you ask Rick Priestly he says the change from black to green was supposed to have been a full retcon, no black DA ever. This is somewhat supported by the fact that the first undeniably green DA were in the Space Marine Tactical squad article in WD129 which was a post-heresy article covering DA, BA & UM, however the concept sketches for that UM scheme were published in WD346 and they were clearly intended to be pre/mid-heresy not modern. Codex Imperialis also listed their pre-heresy colour as green. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237036-black-or-green/#findComment-2858446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Unfortunately, if it was a full retcon, they didn't do it fully, since the green is actually a point of contention between members of the DA legion in the HH books. They must not have kept the memo circulating in the office. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237036-black-or-green/#findComment-2858518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother varen Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I think that Cypher has always been a thorn in the dark angels side. I believe that he painted his armour green as a psychlogical aspect. Another twist of the knife to the dark angels. Or since he carries the Lion blade and seems to be returning to the rock through his reappearences. He could have painted his armour as a hope of redemption. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237036-black-or-green/#findComment-2858530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Or since he carries the Lion blade and seems to be returning to the rock through his reappearences. He could have painted his armour as a hope of redemption. Actually, I was under the impression that he was making his way to Holy Terra to give the Lion's sword to the Carrion Lord of the Imperium and beg forgiveness. But I must say, he's taking his damned time, 10K years later and where is he? Must have took a wrong turn at Albuquerque. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237036-black-or-green/#findComment-2858603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Yes, but how exactly is he planning on "giving" it to the Sack o' Skin and Bones God? Laid on the floor and face down with the sword laid out before him, knelt down before him with the broken point in the floor, or is he planning on sticking him with the pointy end? Also, do we in fact have confirmation that it really is the Lion Sword, or is that still "it is speculated that he carries..." territory? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237036-black-or-green/#findComment-2858622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valtonis Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 the Custodes would own his behind before he even got anywhere near the Emperor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237036-black-or-green/#findComment-2858740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 the Custodes would own his behind before he even got anywhere near the Emperor The Emperor protects and it will be by his will. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/237036-black-or-green/#findComment-2858772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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