New Necron Codex Questions

[BOBMAKENZIE]

Ghost ark Gauss Flayer array. 5 seperate guns or 1 combined?

[Marshal Wilhelm]

Ghost ark Gauss Flayer array. 5 seperate guns or 1 combined?

 

Can we have a quote from C:N.

Please :devil:

[Gentlemanloser]

Two gauss flayer arrays: The Ghost Ark has two separate arrays of five gauss flayers - one along each flank - enabling it to 'broadside' enemy units. The two arrays can shoot at different targets, although all guns in the same array must shoot at the same target

 

Wargear:

Two gauss flayer arrays

 

Personally, I'd rule these like hurricane Bolters. Two weapons, even though each weapon is made up of five guns.

[Captain Idaho]

Two gauss flayer arrays: The Ghost Ark has two separate arrays of five gauss flayers - one along each flank - enabling it to 'broadside' enemy units. The two arrays can shoot at different targets, although all guns in the same array must shoot at the same target

 

Wargear:

Two gauss flayer arrays

 

Personally, I'd rule these like hurricane Bolters. Two weapons, even though each weapon is made up of five guns.

 

Agreed.

[BOBMAKENZIE]

Ghost ark Gauss Flayer array. 5 seperate guns or 1 combined?

 

Can we have a quote from C:N.

Please <_<

 

Apologies I broke my own rule of thumb without thinking about it!

 

 

My initial instinct was that they were different from Hurricane Bolters in that the second sentence of the descriptin of a broadside says "although all the guns in the same array must shoot at the same target" If the guns are infact one gun, they already by default have to shoot the same target do they not? As well the wording is of superficial difference from Hurricane Bolters in that it doesnt say that "A gauss flayer array is ___" But that "a barge has two sets of five"

 

I am quite torn, on the one hand it feels as though it is a hurricane bolter in nature and infact I cant find anywhere definitively that they are different but it doesnt feel right to treat them as one weapon either...

 

As well. If they are one weapon we begin to run into Line of sight/model issues, they are modeled quite clearly as 5 independant gauss flayers and how does one draw line of sight from 5 seperate mounting points?

[Captain Idaho]

It's funny, because GW have went out of their way to clarify these weapons and it is now being used against them!

 

I believe they anticipated being able to shoot at separate targets being a question so clarified it in advance, that's all. <_<

[BOBMAKENZIE]

It's funny, because GW have went out of their way to clarify these weapons and it is now being used against them!

 

I believe they anticipated being able to shoot at separate targets being a question so clarified it in advance, that's all. :)

 

Couldnt they have just used the Hurricane bolter wording?

 

"A gauss flayer array consisters of 5 gauss flayers, fired as a single weapon. Each Array may target a seperate unit"

[Captain Idaho]

Yeah, it would be the easier way of doing things. Maybe there is something in 6th edition going on we don't know about?

[Gentlemanloser]

Or rather Ward just writes bad rules.

[Isiah]

Nope. No Ward-bashing in the OR please.

[Azulz]

K here is another question guy, and I'm sorry for all the Necron vs Eldar questions, that's who I play most at the moment.

 

1. Mindshakle scarabs vs Eldrads Runes of Witnessing?

 

2. Anrakyr's Mind in the Machine, can I select a Fire Prism , (and if there is another Fire Prism in LOS) and fire the combined shot that they have?

[Captain Idaho]

K here is another question guy, and I'm sorry for all the Necron vs Eldar questions, that's who I play most at the moment.

 

1. Mindshakle scarabs vs Eldrads Runes of Witnessing?

 

2. Anrakyr's Mind in the Machine, can I select a Fire Prism , (and if there is another Fire Prism in LOS) and fire the combined shot that they have?

 

1) Not sure what the problem is between Runes of Witnessing and Mindshackle Scarabs? Nothing in the Necron Codex is pyschic based and Eldar only roll 3D6 and discard the lowest when taking Pyschic tests, which has nothing to do with said Scarabs.

 

2) I would say no, since you are only taking over and firing a single Eldar Fireprism.

[Azulz]

Runes of Witnessing is the one where he rolls 3d6 and discards the highest for Ld tests right? Thats the one im talking about.

[Captain Idaho]

No it's purely for psychic tests.

[Saiisil]

As Captain says, only Psychic Tests, also Witnessing affects the Eldar not their enemies, it is Runes of Warding that affects the opponent but as far as I know, no psykers in the Necron codex.

[Azulz]

ok my bad , we had it wrong and thought he had something that let him do that...oops

 

Anyways thank for the help.

[Khorneeq]

Hello,

new question here :)

Wraiths

Do Wraiths who charge into cover get their Initiative reduced?

I wonder because they ignore terrain while moving.

[Captain Idaho]

Yes their initiative is reduced. The rule simply says "Canoptek Wraiths are never slowed by Difficult Terrain, and automatically pass Dangerous Terrain Tests".

 

Nothing in there to suggest assaulting units in cover allows the Wraiths to ignore the terrain.

 

Unfortunately.

[Gentlemanloser]

Another badly written rule by, GW. :)

 

Why they couldn't just ignore Difficult Terrain, like Harlies I don't understand. Especially as the 'ignore difficult terrain' rule is in the 'dex for the C'Tan...

[dswanick]

Yes their initiative is reduced. The rule simply says "Canoptek Wraiths are never slowed by Difficult Terrain, and automatically pass Dangerous Terrain Tests".

 

Nothing in there to suggest assaulting units in cover allows the Wraiths to ignore the terrain.

 

Unfortunately.

I disagree :

ASSAULTING THROUGH COVER

To represent this, if an assaulting unit had to take a difficult or dangerous terrain test during their assault move, all of its models have their

Initiative value lowered to 1 when attacking, regardless of other Initiative modifiers.

If the Wraith is never slowed by Difficult Terrain, does it have to take a Difficult Terrain test?

If no, then the Initiative effects do not take effect because they trigger on the DT roll.

[DarkGuard]

I disagree :

ASSAULTING THROUGH COVER

To represent this, if an assaulting unit had to take a difficult or dangerous terrain test during their assault move, all of its models have their

Initiative value lowered to 1 when attacking, regardless of other Initiative modifiers.

If the Wraith is never slowed by Difficult Terrain, does it have to take a Difficult Terrain test?

If no, then the Initiative effects do not take effect because they trigger on the DT roll.

 

This would be my understanding of the rule, the way I've always explained the lowered initiative to guys at my LGS is that if you take a difficult terrain test you get the lowered initiative, if you don't take it then I see no reason as to why you would lose initiative.

[Captain Idaho]

Yes their initiative is reduced. The rule simply says "Canoptek Wraiths are never slowed by Difficult Terrain, and automatically pass Dangerous Terrain Tests".

 

Nothing in there to suggest assaulting units in cover allows the Wraiths to ignore the terrain.

 

Unfortunately.

I disagree :

ASSAULTING THROUGH COVER

To represent this, if an assaulting unit had to take a difficult or dangerous terrain test during their assault move, all of its models have their

Initiative value lowered to 1 when attacking, regardless of other Initiative modifiers.

If the Wraith is never slowed by Difficult Terrain, does it have to take a Difficult Terrain test?

If no, then the Initiative effects do not take effect because they trigger on the DT roll.

 

Dang. You're right!

 

100% withdraw my comment above.

 

Serves me right for not reading up on the assault rules! Been complacent playing Marines since they have Frag grenades all round...

[Saiisil]

But for Dangerous Terrain they do get their initiative reduced. The reason I say this is because as I don't have the codex I have to go off of what I see posted here and from what I know the rule is written as "Canoptek Wraiths are never slowed by Difficult Terrain, and automatically pass Dangerous Terrain Tests", now while they automatically pass dangerous terrain tests they are still called on to make them unlike the difficult terrain wording.

[dswanick]

But for Dangerous Terrain they do get their initiative reduced. The reason I say this is because as I don't have the codex I have to go off of what I see posted here and from what I know the rule is written as "Canoptek Wraiths are never slowed by Difficult Terrain, and automatically pass Dangerous Terrain Tests", now while they automatically pass dangerous terrain tests they are still called on to make them unlike the difficult terrain wording.

I am in agreement on your reading of the rule on this. I suspect it will get FAQd, but as it currently stands Difficult has no effect on Wraiths while Dangerous does.

[DarkGuard]

But for Dangerous Terrain they do get their initiative reduced. The reason I say this is because as I don't have the codex I have to go off of what I see posted here and from what I know the rule is written as "Canoptek Wraiths are never slowed by Difficult Terrain, and automatically pass Dangerous Terrain Tests", now while they automatically pass dangerous terrain tests they are still called on to make them unlike the difficult terrain wording.

 

I'm not so sure about this. The rulebook states that a dangerous terrain test is the one where you roll a D6 and on a 1 the model takes a wound (BRB page 14), it doesn't mention that dangerous terrain tests require them to roll for terrain, that's difficult terrain. You have to roll that as well as IIRC in pretty much all instances dangerous terrain is in difficult terrain, but they are separate tests and different rules. They still autopass the tests, and aren't affected by it. I'd imagine the intent would be that they don't get lowered initiative no matter what terrain it is, and I'd say it makes sense to play it that way.