Droma Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Fluff fail all around. Harsh but agreed. Makes more sense simply to have a body guard unit for the chapter master of the dark angels and their successors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatchCaptainAzrael Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Fluff fail all around. Little plastic men serious business. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Heh,i like the idea but its off the current fluff.I also feel its a bit op and on gk territory.I on the boat to stear the unit as a chapter masters special two handed sword wielding squad. A question concerning all marine players(not just us) Do you feel that all terminators should be two wounds? And if yes,what would make ours stand out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shabbadoo Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Brother Landrain very likely knows his idea runs contrary to the fluff, but simply is open to the idea of a retconn so as to add more depth in this particular way. I myself would prefer a preservation of fluff, just that more depth be added to it and the Chapter organization, thereby adding more variance/specialization to the Dark Angels' army list. As to the OP(sword motif), I would like to see that quite a bit. The C: SM Honour Guard and C: BT Sword Brethren entries really annoyed me when I first saw them; particularly the latter. They could have given(and named ) the Sword Brethren anything but swords. I think that the Space Marine codexes should conceptually be designed all together at the same time(i.e. who gets what to make each stand out), and then each be finished off according to their order it the schedule. they'd surely get some better stand-out Space Marine codexes that way. Two vastly different Chapters have sword motifs now. Lame, but we'll have to continue to live with it most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Like shabbadoo said, it would be a retcon for someone to know the the Lions's presence. Or would it? A new codex could actually advance the timeline. Perhaps after more than 10k years, he is found in stasis. Now, i wouldn't mind some sort of secret Inner circle Lion's guard... but I also think that it would be only a handful of marines, and they would actually never leave the rock, if the Lion's side at all. So they probably wouldn't be a unit to call on - until of course the Rock is invaded and the Lion's resting place is in jeopardy. Same goes for who has knowledge of Luther. It doesn't even need to be a retcon, if it's something that has happened in modern 40K times. Shabbadoo, you are right. It's a shame we lost the "sword brethren" title to the Templars just as it's a shame the GKs already have a "paladin". Perhaps they can swing it another way - "Blades of the Lion" or some such. EDIT: Gilly is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillyfish Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Gents, let's not get into any form of antagonism here, we're discussing the DA's sword motif. Let's not have any personal comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexagon Sun Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Same goes for who has knowledge of Luther. It doesn't even need to be a retcon, if it's something that has happened in modern 40K times. I'd like this clearing up slightly, correct me if i'm wrong but the codex says Azreal is the only one who knows about Luther. Yet in AoD Boreas knows about Luther being in the Rock and contradicts the codex entirely. There's a few loose ends that would be nice to tie up in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Same goes for who has knowledge of Luther. It doesn't even need to be a retcon, if it's something that has happened in modern 40K times. I'd like this clearing up slightly, correct me if i'm wrong but the codex says Azreal is the only one who knows about Luther. Yet in AoD Boreas knows about Luther being in the Rock and contradicts the codex entirely. There's a few loose ends that would be nice to tie up in that regard. I wouldn't mind if other senior level Inner Circle members and Int. Chaplains were aware of Luther. What better to give them the determination to hunt the fallen than the raving mad leader of the Caliban traitors himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Landrain Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Sorry but, New Codex... New Fluff. Thats the way that GW rolls... And there are contradictions in the current fluff about who all knows what. The idea was to take the sword motif, and the photo and build a unit, with that in mind. And who better to have an Honour Guard, than the Lion? And what better reason to have them act as a unit, than chasing Cypher, to recover the broken sword? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexagon Sun Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 I'm sure a lot of you have seen this already but basically we need the guy from the concept sketches who had the note about him being an executioner of sorts. I had linked the image but I removed it after realising they aren't allowed for IP reasons according to a previous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Landrain - I actually like how it can be upgraded to include a Librarian and Chaplain type character. Reminds me a little of a Deathwatch Killteam lead by a Librarian. And even if they choose to stick to the current fluff that no one knows of the Lion's presence, this sort of squad could certainly be rewritten as just some upper echelon Inner Circle group. BUT, I do like the aspect of them using the DA's secondary Lion motif as a primary icon for the squad and the name - which has the most impact if they are aware of the Lion. Some very fun details you put in there in the war gear. Hexagon Sun - I vaguely recall the image you mentioned. I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candleshoes Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 correct me if i'm wrong but the codex says Azreal is the only one who knows about Luther. Just guessing, I would assume that there are several others who know, namely Ezekiel, being the keeper of keys and all. I doubt that there is anything that he doesn't know in regards to chapter buisness, being the judge of the Legion's soul. The others would be the surviving Grand Master interred dreadnaughts and the post heresy Scouring Contemptors dreadnaughts. Logically, if all the living members of the innermost inner circle were to die at the same time, there must be a failsafe in place, in the form of the ironclad ancients. I could be wrong, but always liked the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDoc Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 I think the DA really do need an honour guard unit for the SGM (and GM/Successor Chapter Masters) drawing on the concept art (link) seen before the 4E 'dex was released. Robed/shrouded warriors with big two-handed blades. Yes please. Provided the unit doesn't come with shoddy fluff like the unit being tasked with bodyguarding something that nobody, even the DA, should even know exists. Sorry but, New Codex... New Fluff. Thats the way that GW rolls... I would hope that in GW's case, they'll try to ensure that any new fluff they happen to include won't equate to bad fluff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vazzy Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 I'm cool with sword and sheilds, I already have about four models with SS and about 6 with CS. But as long as they don't take away ourTheme Song, I'm good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruthven Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 This thread has made me go back and change my Belial's hammer arm to a sword arm...I took the hand and stormbolter off a tac termie arm and replaced it with a GK terminator sword, going to use it as a hammer, but it looks a lot more unique and "Dark Angel"-like with a sword. I've been picking away on my deathwing army over the last 18 months or so and this thread has gotten me right back into the mood to model and paint them! I'm mostly a BA player but I am going to drop the Deathwing, fully painted, on my buddies at the hobby shop some day soon with a sword-wielding Belial leading the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cernunnos Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 I think if you look to the artwork in the codex most of it contains swords when there is a close combat weapon represented. If fact it borders on obsession, with a drawing of a deathwing terminator armed with a thunder hammer and power sword, and the fact we had a special character armed with a power sword in addition to his crozius. Personally I would like to see power swords as the close combat weapon of choice. I would even go as far as suggesting that access to power fists should be restricted. I think the knightly theme should be something the chapter left behind after the heresy. Pre-heresy the knightly orders were a massive influence on the Dark Angels, but the fall of part of the chapter to chaos showed that these knightly traditions and the sense of honour were really nothing more than a superficial code. The Dark Angels became more inward looking and self-reflective, as you would associate more with monks. This self-reflection led to a realisation of the potential for darkness that dwells within each battle brother, regardless of his promises, and the need to keep this at bay through the penance of a never ending quest to absolve the chapter of its sins by capturing the fallen and making them repent. I think echoes of the knightly tradition should remain, perhaps a sword and shield armed honour guard unit for the chapter master, but in general the focus should be monastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tengo Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Personally I would like to see power swords as the close combat weapon of choice. I would even go as far as suggesting that access to power fists should be restricted. I agree, I think the main weapon load outs in a DA army should be: Bolter - A 'symbol' of the Emperors will, and a sign of a marine's station Pistol + sword - PA would sort of be the shield for the average trooper, nothing says 'Questing knight of the unforgiven' quite like a pistol and a sword TH+SS - Because, a shield and a war hammer is the weapon of choice for hateful dread knights I think Lightning claws sort of fit in with the whole 'Lion' theme, but I'm not sure how I feel about them fluff wise. I've always thought that powerfists should remain in the armories of the crimson and imperial fists, they don't seem very 'unforgiven' to me Obviously heavy, assault, support and special weapons should remain just as, no, scratch that, more available than before :huh: Also, a more viable way of getting snipers in, because we're the chapter of tactical and strategic genius, which relies on uncompromising use of field intelligence, not to mention that we specialise in hunting very old space marines, and we don't have the best scouts in the imperium? Bah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 with a drawing of a deathwing terminator armed with a thunder hammer and power sword I would like to see that character come to life! Maybe a DW squad add-on like Arjack. Not sure how that combo would work though, guess he would need special rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Personally I would like to see power swords as the close combat weapon of choice. I would even go as far as suggesting that access to power fists should be restricted. I agree, I think the main weapon load outs in a DA army should be: Bolter - A 'symbol' of the Emperors will, and a sign of a marine's station Pistol + sword - PA would sort of be the shield for the average trooper, nothing says 'Questing knight of the unforgiven' quite like a pistol and a sword TH+SS - Because, a shield and a war hammer is the weapon of choice for hateful dread knights I think Lightning claws sort of fit in with the whole 'Lion' theme, but I'm not sure how I feel about them fluff wise. I've always thought that powerfists should remain in the armories of the crimson and imperial fists, they don't seem very 'unforgiven' to me Obviously heavy, assault, support and special weapons should remain just as, no, scratch that, more available than before :jaw: Also, a more viable way of getting snipers in, because we're the chapter of tactical and strategic genius, which relies on uncompromising use of field intelligence, not to mention that we specialise in hunting very old space marines, and we don't have the best scouts in the imperium? Bah! Because sometime after the Watchers hid the Primarch, some random chapter master agreed to follow the codex. Blame that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candleshoes Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 This thread has made me go back and change my Belial's hammer arm to a sword arm...I took the hand and stormbolter off a tac termie arm and replaced it with a GK terminator sword, going to use it as a hammer, but it looks a lot more unique and "Dark Angel"-like with a sword. I am in the process of building 5 terminators using Grey Knight bits in this fashion. I opted for the great looking knight helms, and more importantly, the long swords rather than the thunderhammers, and converted Brettonian men at arms tower shields for storm shields. They are a very simple but effective way of spicing things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 I have long thought we should have more access to Pswords. (at regular prices, I'm not a power crazed loony) so when the FAQ came out removing the "3" limit I was quite happy. I wanna build that MotDW just inside the codex cover with a LC, plasma combi SB and powersword holding a Stealer head aloft on the LC My problem is why do we have a power mace on the upgrade sprue.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin_eX Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Because maces are knightly as well, I for one, love our power maces. Those things are bad arse. That is why I think our knight theme will be stronger come the new codex because those company vets just oozed knightly stylings. The winged helms, the faceplates reminiscent of a knight's helm, the swords, the shields the maces. It all screamed Knights of the Order to me. I want to see that style carried over to the Ravenwing and Deathwing and perhaps to our standard squads as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Landrain Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Ravenwing Riders with Power Lances and Storm Shield... Can we say Hit and Run :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Ravenwing Riders with Power Lances and Storm Shield... Can we say Hit and Run :) Special mounted squad on jet bikes of course (No, Isiah, not Thunder Lions). That maybe can give us something equivalent to the thunder pup craziness. What's that? Sammy has one of the last Jetbikes you say? Oh, well would you look at that, we just found the Lion sealed up down here in the Rock and he's surrounded by 100 jetbikes. Awesome, a reason to start the Lion's Protectorate AND a knew elite unit of jetbike mounted uber jousting juggernaut Ravenwing! (Yes, that's half in jest, the unit would be cool, the fluff needs some work) Though that feels like space elf territory. Maybe we just stick to some sort of glaive or a good old power sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 (No, Isiah, not Thunder Lions). Eh what? Oh go on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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