Blackadder Posted July 30, 2012 Author Share Posted July 30, 2012 Thanks for the info. Someone asked that I include a figure with the model to get a prospective as to the scale. I found a tank figure sans base in my scrap box which should be a fair representative of an average sized human and glued a thin piece of plasticard to his feet. The result is astounding to me, at 26 inches the amended design height of this model the figure is minuscule. http://i.imgur.com/A4l3z.jpg http://i.imgur.com/A4l3zl.jpg BTW the carapace side and back plates are drying in these images and stiffen the structure immensely. http://i.imgur.com/A4l3z.jpg http://i.imgur.com/A4l3zl.jpg I was concerned at the flexibility of the carapace which had a tendency to droop under the influence of gravity so I assembled it upside down to negate that effect. http://i.imgur.com/056pz.jpg http://i.imgur.com/056pzl.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted July 30, 2012 Author Share Posted July 30, 2012 One more shot before I amble off to the daily toil: http://i.imgur.com/n2Zja.jpg http://i.imgur.com/n2Zjal.jpg Note the figure on the right foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 1, 2012 Author Share Posted August 1, 2012 I've come to the realization that although the legs are movable I only show one pose so here's some with the left foot forward. Note if you will that the carapace skirt is too long and I'll be shortening it 15 MM also that the cabinets in my work area are too low to be taking pictures under from now on. The scale height has gone from 120 feet/36.576 meters scale height to 159 feet/48.4632 meters. I'm still an inch and a half shorter than the DS Titan and I plan to shorten the engineering section half an inch which should round out the height to about 160 feet when finished and all the detail is added. I happened to be crossing a bridge the other day over a sea level freighter port, Port Newark if you must know and I had my GPS set to give me the elevation above mean sea level. As I crested the bridge the readout was 130 feet and I thought to myself, "If I were in a Warlord cockpit this is how high I would be." I was looking down at everything even the cargo container gantries; believe me, that's high! A lot higher than 130 feet looks when you pace it out on the ground. I like to make references like that; Some times when flying the captain will say, We're cruising at 35,000 feet " and I think, that's the depth on the Mindanao trench." or 29,000 feet, "That's the height of Mount Everest." It kind of brings home the scale of what you're looking at when flying. http://i.imgur.com/yFDUd.jpg http://i.imgur.com/yFDUdl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/775fm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/775fml.jpg http://i.imgur.com/KdIhk.jpg http://i.imgur.com/KdIhkl.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Can't wait to see this bad Boy finished keep up the awesome work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 2, 2012 Author Share Posted August 2, 2012 Thanks, Point of interest, someone on another forum asked me how I arrived at the height of my model; pure conjecture I assure you. I had no precise figures so I rationalized from the FW models. Starting with the Warhound they made their model 10.5 inches tall thereabout. 10.5 divided by 1.125 (the scale constant for a six foot tall man) is 9.333 which means that a warhound is 9.3 times taller than a six foot tall figure therefore a warhound is 9.3 X 6 = 56 feet for the height of a warhound depending on the pose or 17.07 meters tall. going further the reaver titan model is approximately 16.5 inches tall according to the FW spec's so a 'real' Reaver by my calculations would be 16.5/1.25 X 6 = 79..2 feet or 24.146 meters tall. There is no model for a Warlord so I divided 16.5/10.5 X 16.5 = 25.905 inches X 6 ft = 155.4 feet or 47.387 meters which is what my model approximates. Going further using 1.57 as the new constant (16.5/10.5) gives you 40.6 inches tall for an Imperator Titan and 63.8 inches for an Emperor Titan the last two of which would be totally impracticable for the average game board. I much prefer making 9.5 inches the new bench mark making the Imperator Titan about 35 inches tall and the Emperor Titan 45 inches tall which is still too tall for practical gaming and actual scale height of 270 feet or 82.3 meters tall for the Emperor Titan. Incidentally using 1.57 as the constant would give you 382.8 feet or 116.7 meters for the Emperor Titan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 2, 2012 Author Share Posted August 2, 2012 The carapace is going together quickly, there is a discrepancy in the DS model that I didn't incorporate in mine in that the carapace isn't as deep front to back as the Epic model. Why Mr Smith chose to make it narrower front to back isn't known but for me the balance is important as I want it to stand without a base and with the legs in any position so I need the balance point to be directly over the waist pivot. Right now the weight of the torso is 1.6 lbs about 0.725 kilo. http://i.imgur.com/LvcQr.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LvcQrl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/3kROw.jpg http://i.imgur.com/3kROwl.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhoolda Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 That is big... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 3, 2012 Author Share Posted August 3, 2012 I took a shot front and back for reference. http://i.imgur.com/bBATf.jpg http://i.imgur.com/bBATfl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/YOQZ9.jpg http://i.imgur.com/YOQZ9l.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MordentHex Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 still going strong! this is really starting to look like a proper warlord! Its making my Reaver titan look crappier and crappier every new picture you add. lol I guess i will have to step up my skills on my titan also when i get back around to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 That is big... :P Yeh its a Titan if you hadn't noticed. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studio Silvernale Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 That is big... :lol: Yeh its a Titan if you hadn't noticed. -_- I thought it was a TRUE scale terminator =D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Looks great. I have an observation. You are talking about making room for the crew and I noticed that from behind the legs look too spindly. It is almost like we can see the bone, but all the musculature and armor hasn't been added. Now I've never seen a full 360 of a Warlord so I don't if it's suppose to look that way or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 3, 2012 Author Share Posted August 3, 2012 I share your concern but having seen the DS Warlord and match up the bitz he employed with what I have the legs are pretty much the same size as on his model. Don't forget the huge axle caps and hydraulic cylinders double the mass of the legs side to side and no viewing a warlord from the back is not your typical pose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orkdung Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 You've done an absolutely wonderful job BA! ;) She's a real beauty! Quick question, will you be posting a PDF in the end? Would be wonderful to attempt this with your schematics. Thanks much! . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 3, 2012 Author Share Posted August 3, 2012 PDF file, There's not really any more than what I have posted as far as drawings. In the beginning of this thread I did some sketches and what charitably might be call mechanical drawings and there is the armour plate template which I forgot I made and didn't use. Everything else I managed to glean from the very sparse offering of photos taken by Dave Smith. There are a lot of other forums I post on but they all have pretty much the same info. You'll have to be more specific as to what you require and I'll try to accommodate you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 3, 2012 Author Share Posted August 3, 2012 These are the carapace weapon stanchions but now that I see them in the photos may be too small. http://i.imgur.com/gQToJ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/gQToJl.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 4, 2012 Author Share Posted August 4, 2012 Yes these are the upper arm stanchions that connect the elbow to the shoulder under the carapace. Right now they look like very complex salt and pepper shakers to me but when inverted and affixed under the carapace they should do nicely. The length is right but they may need bulking up. Meanwhile I need gun barrels. PVC is out of the question and I won't use cardboard. A couple of years ago I found an old beach umbrella on the beach (where else) it had broke as cheap stuff usually does and got left behind when the bathers had left the littoral boundary. The pole was made of plastic and it has been kicking around my garage for years. Damn me if the shaft isn't a 31 mm styrene tube. Now two feet of styrene tubing if you could buy it would cost $10 to $20 bucks; probably more than the whole umbrella did. Here's the lesson, watch the recycling bins they're full of gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MordentHex Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 Have you thought about maybe pvc pipe? It works rather well, easy to saw/cut and plastic glue works to fuse it together for a strong hold. Edit: Forgot pvc may be more expensive in other countries. I get it dirt cheap here in china. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 5, 2012 Author Share Posted August 5, 2012 I meant PVC tubing is just too heavy stuck out that far in front and make the titan prone to tipping. I need light weight material to decrease the weight times arm = moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MordentHex Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 ah yeah, It can be heavy and can tip the Titan but the carapace weapons may help counter balance the weight and/or internal detailing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 11, 2012 Author Share Posted August 11, 2012 Part of the problem of a construction of this type and magnitude is keeping the upper works light enough that it won't be top heavy. In particular the ruddy great guns stuck out a foot/0.3 meters from the CG imparting a tipping arm that can be measured in a substantial fraction of a pound/kilo. I have stated previously that PVC tubing will be too much mass for stability but to make a sturdy enough tube is difficult. I have now what I believe to be the solution. Starting with a full sheet of 'Evergreen 0.5 mm styrene I divided it into 6 equal parts of 50 mm width. The reason for this is that while bending a 50 mm wide strip tightly around a PVC tube is well within my capacity bending evenly a 150 mm sheet is not; you may prove better than I at that endeavor. http://i.imgur.com/QWafC.jpg http://i.imgur.com/QWafCl.jpg Once I have a proper overlap wound and cemented I opted to glue the remaining tail of the strip on as well for seam reinforcement. I now had 6, 50 mm long tubes of the required diameter. http://i.imgur.com/xzn0f.jpg http://i.imgur.com/xzn0fl.jpg Sliding the relatively near perfect tubes back onto the PVC tube and mating the seams I applied a liberal amount of cement on the periphery of the seam I pushed the segments together until tiny beads of plastic oozed from the seam and allowed to dry the result being an extremely light near perfectly round 150 mm styrene tube to build my gun barrels around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 11, 2012 Author Share Posted August 11, 2012 Actually it's the simplest and least massive assembly I can come up with. The gun barrel complete masses only 29 grams/1.0 ounce and is extremely rigid. I figure the entire gun to come in at about 120 grams or 1/4 lb which should be satisfactory. and it still leaves me counterbalance room in the back of the hull for final adjustment. The gun barrels are basically done except for the detail. There was a lot of wrapping of layers of styrene. The biggest problem was duplicating the bottle caps used in the original. http://i.imgur.com/Iu2B4.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Iu2B4l.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dJIG.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dJIGl.jpg But the finished result is very gratifying especially since they weigh only 29 grams/one ounce each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 11, 2012 Author Share Posted August 11, 2012 Not much going on today. I made the mount plate for the cannons and installed the keel reinforcements as these guns can't be solid or even wound barrels as would be for say battleships. They would have to be some kind of containment devices such as would be found in linear accelerators. Powerful yet light weight magnets would contain the plasma and focus it out the barrel to the target. Recoil would be out of the question for anything but the lightest projectiles and even these may probably have their own fuel supply such as with a solid fuel rocket. http://i.imgur.com/LYLlV.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LYLlVl.jpg An interesting note and something I was not aware of is that some battleship built before 1920 the main guns the 14 16 and 18 inchers are actually made of wound wire over a solid tube; Over 200 miles (325 km) of 0.25 x 0.06 in (0.635 x 1.52 cm) of high-tensile steel wire was used in the 18.0 inch Mark 1 . I did not know that. I had always assumed they were cast or at least solid steel. Anyway note the thin strip of plastic collar at the gun base. The one on the left is affixed but the one on the right is just being started. Note that the starting end overlaps the centerline. This is because it's harder to make the end lie flat to the contour when gluing but if you leave a sacrifice tailing in the beginning you will have a smoother seam when you complete the collar. It's not really necessary on such a thin strip but on heavier strips it will save you a lot of grief getting your rings to stay put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 13, 2012 Author Share Posted August 13, 2012 You would think that by now I would be inured to the tedious aspect of scratch building but no. I am basically a lazy fellow and repetition takes a great toll on my abilities which is why I never took up knitting. So many times when I was building Lucie I thought F-----t why am I wasting time on these damned toes when I could be out sha-----g. Anyway the barrels are supposed to be mounted in box like housings and attached to the box like housings are more tinier boxes all the same size. Well it was a job to make all these tiny boxes and the two big ones weren't any picnic either as they all have to be as light as possible but while the rest of you slept I managed to get them made and now I am going to take a nap. http://i.imgur.com/GwpEh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/GwpEhl.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted August 14, 2012 Author Share Posted August 14, 2012 The arm mounted weapons are basically done and I have to make the stanchions to mount them. My previously failed attempt at stantions was a waste of time and material as they didn't look right but I did find in my electrical goodybox a couple of variable degree connectors that look like they belong on a titan. I don't usually use prefab components but these have been kicking around for years since I refurbished a very intricate electronic control panel on would you believe a bakery production line. http://i.imgur.com/NiJxm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/NiJxml.jpg http://i.imgur.com/y4G68.jpg http://i.imgur.com/y4G68l.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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