minigun762 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 I've seen many people recommend using a claw and fist or similar power weapons in order to gain the flexibility of high I attacks and a method to cut through 2+ saves while still maintaining the extra attack bonus. Now the drawback is you're paying a premium for this flexibility, so the question is, is it worth the added price tag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 I've seen many people recommend using a claw and fist or similar power weapons in order to gain the flexibility of high I attacks and a method to cut through 2+ saves while still maintaining the extra attack bonus. Now the drawback is you're paying a premium for this flexibility, so the question is, is it worth the added price tag? Not everyone pays for it really- SW TDA pay the same for PF+LC as they do for 2xLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGuard Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 I've seen many people recommend using a claw and fist or similar power weapons in order to gain the flexibility of high I attacks and a method to cut through 2+ saves while still maintaining the extra attack bonus. Now the drawback is you're paying a premium for this flexibility, so the question is, is it worth the added price tag? No is my answer. On single wound models its too many points. With Captains and Chapter Masters, why not take a relic blade which does a similar job for less? The only thing you miss there is AP2, but make sure someone else in the squad has AP2 then. Too many points IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brom MKIV Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 I use WC/PF on my wolf lord and yes Id say its definitely worth it. I would never chose this option on vet sergs/equivalent though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGuard Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 I suppose with Space Wolves it's a little different, not having access to the relic blade. IMO a frost blade is a poor man's relic blade, it's all right but doesn't quite make up for it's destructive power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Drunk Guardian Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 I suppose with Space Wolves it's a little different, not having access to the relic blade. IMO a frost blade is a poor man's relic blade, it's all right but doesn't quite make up for it's destructive power. A Wolf Lord would only take a Frost Blade if it is paired with a bolt/plasma pistol (though some do it with a storm shield because it looks awesome... so aside...). When you combine that with the Wolf Lord's statline the Frost Weapon is better vs MEQ in CC than a Captain wielding a Relic Blade. Even with the storm shield the frost weapon hits 1/9 harder vs MEQ due to the extra attack. On the flip side, Wolf Lords don't get a free 4++... so it's a complicated issue. Also, if the weapons were to flip codices then the Relic Blade would be insanely OP for the Wolves and the frost blade incredibly underwhelming for C:SM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted October 30, 2012 Author Share Posted October 30, 2012 I'm not sure on the point difference for other armies but with Chaos its 10-15 points more expensive. On a 1W model that feels excessive. On a multi wound model, not as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 I use lightning claw/power fist combo on my Captain, along with artificer armour - its much more effective than relic blade/storm shield, and only 10 points more. He laughs off relic blade hits with his 2+ while insta gibbing them with S8 AP2 in return. Plus you get an extra attack. Vs 3+ save T4 heroes, hitting on a 4+, relic blades do 0.417 wounds, while lightning claws do .375 wounds/ attack (before 2+'s or invulnerables)- so with the lightning claws extra attack it actually inflicts more damage/turn (1.5 wounds) than the relic blade(1.25 wounds) - so better in both cases. The only thing the relic blade has going for it is pairing it with a storm shield for that 3+ inv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 I'm tempted to make a new Captain/Master with a Power Axe and Power Sword thanks to this thread. Sure, a Lightning Claw and Power Fist is better, but I don't think I like the look of them as much in comparison to sword and axe. Cheers guys :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted November 7, 2012 Author Share Posted November 7, 2012 I'm tempted to make a new Captain/Master with a Power Axe and Power Sword thanks to this thread. Sure, a Lightning Claw and Power Fist is better, but I don't think I like the look of them as much in comparison to sword and axe. Cheers guys :D That would look cool, especially in power armor. Plus it's cheaper than specialist version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 But no where near as good, as for a whole 10 points it loses shred and the ability to threaten vehicles or insta kill T4 characters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Willy Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 I find more depends on the points of a game. My chaos lord in PA runs axe sword for 1850 and under while above that I swap him out for termi lord with fist and claw they both work well even if I lose shooting weapons but I also play really aggressive in your face play style so it fits with what I use them for(slaughtering them loyalist weaklings) My cap sticks with just a relic blade and stormbolter with jump pack and assault marine bodyguard. It helps a lot more to have s 6 in my experience then flexibility since my storm shield assault sergeant is taking the challenges and the cap is killing the grunts for the better combat res while a command squad with claws sits back and mops up any countercharge units or more often both close combat squads do the counter charging while the tacs whittle down anything trying to approach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mannyu78 Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 But no where near as good, as for a whole 10 points it loses shred and the ability to threaten vehicles or insta kill T4 characters! I think you are confusing shred and rending. Shred is only reroll wounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Willy Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 He means swapping Claw/Fist combo, which gives you shred and vehicle threatening, to duel PWs which have neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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