Kickrock Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I am a previous Blood Angel player. Orks and Chaos before that. So, that being said, I value CC but know the power of shooting. That is why I chose to make a GK army, as it can do both better than Blood Angels, I just lose the mobility. What I am ultimatly looking for is an foot army that can stand mid field and win. But I don't want to lose that CC ability. In my area melee armies (Khorne Chaos, Orks, D-Eldar) are seen quite a bit and Blood Angels are aways a scare, but I do not want to loose that ability to fight back in CC. Origionally, my Troops and HQ were simple for my core; Librarian and Strike Squads with Psycannons. I saw this is what a lot of people use. Fairly cheap (comparied to alternatives) and versitile. But, after doing some digging I came across Purifiers. Attractive CC rules, Vet stats, extra heavy weapons. The downside was the tax for Crowe and their price hike. I saw they were amazing in 5th edition but did read how they transfered over into 6th. I assume they were not hurt at all, if they didn't get better but seeing the move towards high body counts, how do they compare to Strike Squads? Are Purifiers still that win all Troop Choice, or has the move towards higher body count armies pushed Strike Squads up on the list? Should I even consider this when I can just take Cortez and Henchmen to buff that model count at low costs? I can see Cortez and Henchmen as a fix for the cost of Purifiers, however I see it synergyzing with Strike Squads even more allowing you to place more on the table. Transports are a touchy subject to me. I understand the need for Transports, and love the idea of a cheap metal box to put my troop in as they move up field! This can not be ignored, however I want to move away from them when possible. That, and the above statement about a Foot List being mentioned I don't want to rule out Razorbacks. Specially S6 Psy-Bolter Razorbacks. For Strike Squads and Purifiers Rhinos are prefered. I know this. You hvae two access hatches, and Strike Squads have two Psycannons. This allows you to put down fire as you move. But in an army such as I want to run, where my guys are on ground, mid field exploiting cover, are Rhinos really reaquired? For under 50 points I can take those Psy-Bolter Razorbacks giving me a nice shooting platform, a wall to place in front of units if need be, and a transport for that wonderful 150 point Tax on Purifiers if I decide to take those (which... I like them too much not to). In a NON-TRANSPORT capacity, are Psy-Bolter Razorbacks worth the points you spend for that multipurpose S6 shooting platform, or are those points better spent elsewhere? Specifically places like Cortez and Henchmen. Heavy Support is a nice area with not a lot of options. You have the time tested Psy-Dreads, who took a nice hit in 6th edition. Not in relation to their fire power, but their survivability. Then you have the Up and Coming Dreadknight, who is now an unstoppable monster. 2+ armor, which is near unstoppable in CC, but has AP2 Weapons at S6 with rerolls. Only thing that scares this monster are Lasscannon Devistators and Hammernators. When points are not an option, 100% of the time I will take a Dreadknights. The model is cool, the I love the concept and it just rips things apart. But when considering competivie play, be it tournament, leagues or pride, do Dreadknights now out perform Psy-Dreadnoughts? The Dreadnoughts are extreamly cheaper compaired to a Teleport / Greatsword Dreadknight, you can almost field two for the price of one. Do they synergize well together when taking both? Take a couple of Dreads and points permiting, throw this beast in? Yes, the Dreadknight draws all enemy fire from your opponent, allowing you to get into optimal position with little harassment by the enemy. But this comes at a huge cost of points! And if your oppnent has the AP, S, and dice rolls to take that monster down, you're out 200 points. The cheaper, safer Dreadnoughts cannot play that global taunt game the Dreadknights do, but give you that overall better fire support, and do it from safer positions. You have my 3 main questions or points of discussion. but I'll say them again for clarity. In regards to points, body count and performance; Do Strike Squads now out perform Purifiers in that Troop Slot, or are Purifiers still as mean as ever in a foot based list? When not used as transports, are Psy-Bolter / Psy-Assault Cannon razorbacks worth the points as a cheap fire platform WITH transport capabilities, or are the points better spent elswhere? Does Combat Squad Halbert Purifers and a Crowe Transport make a difference in this area if that was the route I took? Have Dreadnoughts lost their touch? In a competitive aspect, are the Dreadnoughts still the safer choice or have Dreadknights moved being those near unstoppable Melee monsters they are now? And a third question, I am going to make Henchmen. What I want are 3 Plasma Cannon servators, a Squad of 10 Warriors, max out special weapons, and a squad of 7 Deathcult / 3 SS Crusaders. What is the cheapest and best modeling method you found for these? For the; Servators I had no good ideas... I was going to buy the models, then thought about ripping off Catcham Jungler Fighters arms and placing Storm Raven Plasma Cannons on there. It would work, but I don't know appearance wise how it would look and like those models too much to waste them. Warriors I was going to use Cadians, and just model 3 with Plasma guns and 3 with Melta guns. The rest would have "Bolters". Actually, I think I have extra bolters laying around. Death Cult I was going to use the melee Dark Eldar units. The female ones. Don't know what they're called. Then I was going to use Howling Banshees, but they look too alien for the inquisiiton. Does anyone have nay ideas as to what would make a good Death Cult assassain model? Same with the Crusaders. Also, if anyone wants to play on Vassal, hit me up in a PM. Draw is I'm on crazy hours, which I can explain in PMs if you would like. Thanks! PS; Just because I didn't mention a unit here, does not mean I don't plan on taking it. Yes, Storm Ravens are coming... I'll throw some army lists from what i was thinking up a little later and ask for help. I was just looking for some input / discussion before I started asking for critique on lists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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