MaliGn Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I'm going to risk answering my own question here but the worship of which god mutates most? I'd suggest that the worship of undivided offers the typical horns, fangs, armour melded to flesh and so on but each god has specific traits, reflected in their iconography and backgrounds. I'd say that nurgle offers the most physical mutation, then tzeentch if not curbed by sorcery a la thousand sons, followed by slaanesh with khorne bringing up the rear. What are your thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265975-which-god-mutates-most/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnosaur93 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 iam pretty sure tzeentch is the one who favours mutations the most in the fluff... the reason we dont see much of it in 40k i guess is becouse of the rubric, which was made to ward them off (and succeeded) but yeah, tzeentch... he IS the great changer, afterall Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265975-which-god-mutates-most/#findComment-3240335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Warrior w/ Servo Arm Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Tzeentch gives the most mutation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265975-which-god-mutates-most/#findComment-3240337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Once & Future Git Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 iam pretty sure tzeentch is the one who favours mutations the most in the fluff... the reason we dont see much of it in 40k i guess is becouse of the rubric, which was made to ward them off (and succeeded) This ^ Tzeentch is the god of Magic & change. He loves change so much is form is never constant & even if he were to archieve his aim of mastery over everything he'd still work to change it! I'd put him in the biggest fan of mutation, whether or not said mutation is effective or not is another matter entirely! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265975-which-god-mutates-most/#findComment-3240339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I would rank them from most to least mutated as: Tzeentch Nurgle Slaanesh Khorne Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265975-which-god-mutates-most/#findComment-3240343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Taint Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Nurgle corrupts most and is also the most concerned with the material realm. But he's actually opposing change. I'd agree the answer is Tzeentch. Cheers, JT Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265975-which-god-mutates-most/#findComment-3240357 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Nurgle's mutations aren't really mutations per se. It's more like he freezes in time the fact that his followers are alive while their bodies continue to be ravaged by whatever diseases they pick up along the way. Obviously I am not saying they are immortal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265975-which-god-mutates-most/#findComment-3240359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azekai Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 No, the Death Guard are mutants. It refers to them as such in the Flight of the Eisenstein. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265975-which-god-mutates-most/#findComment-3240361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 No, the Death Guard are mutants. It refers to them as such in the Flight of the Eisenstein. To Garro's point of view, anything and everything that isn't homo sapien is a mutant. And I didn't say that it wasn't a mutation. I said technically(that is what "per se" means right?) it is more like the fact that the person is living has been locked into time and the disease just ravages their body. Zombies are considered mutants. A man who has a bloated beer gut with intestines running out would be considered a mutant. Even though it could simply be that their existence has been locked into "Living" until someone actually kills them. Think Captain Jack Harkness, but neutered and that someone can kill them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265975-which-god-mutates-most/#findComment-3240362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanctimonius Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 My notion of Nurgle mutations are more that they are a byproduct of the gifts that Nurgle gives them, in that he likes to dose them up with diseases and they are immune to them. I never got the impression he warps them overly, with extra limbs or lips instead of fingers. Tzeentch will play around with his followers and values change for the sake of change, he's a kid with some play-dough and a lot of time on his hands. Slaanesh and Khorne will give 'blessings' that they think will affect their chosen - keep in mind that the special character spawn in fantasy is Khornate, not any of the other gods. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265975-which-god-mutates-most/#findComment-3240378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Tzeentch does like his fun. Just look at the Soul Drinkers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265975-which-god-mutates-most/#findComment-3240388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beachymike123 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I would rank them from most to least mutated as: Tzeentch Nurgle Slaanesh Khorne +1. in palace of the plague lord (WHFB novel) the main character completes his quest and is confronted by a changer of ways. just the slight touch of the greater daemon causes him to rapidly mutate with bending limbs etc i'd also agree that nurgle is more into corruption than mutation as in most fluff i've read nurgle's creations are made up of limbs, eyes etc from fallen victims, whereas tzeench's followers tend to exhibit strange abilities and new growths just before they are possessed or open up a warp rift. i'd say khorne and slaanesh are more mutations of the mind to start with before they grow spikes and bulge in muscle mass. just my 2p to the topic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265975-which-god-mutates-most/#findComment-3240485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Amarel Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 In Slaves to Darkness they have an ongoing thread about two brothers, one who worships Slaanesh and one Khorne. Once eventually becomes a Spawn and one a DP, but the speed at which the mutations comes is pretty even. I think it's Tzeentch first and then all the others a little bit behind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265975-which-god-mutates-most/#findComment-3240583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dammeron Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Undoubtedly Tzeentch; every source ever written on the God, from RoC's Slaves to Darkness to the most recent Black Crusade roleplay supplement, The Tome of Fate, portrays the God as one of the more generous and mercurial when it comes to the "blessings" he bestows on his followers. The Liber Chaotica points out that service to Tzeentch is arguably the most treacherous of all the Chaos powers, simply because the likelihood of ending up a gibbering pile of tentacles is so incredibly high. It seems that, in order to sustain their worthiness in Tzeentch's eyes, his followers need to exercise a peculiar degree of self possession; strength of purpose and ideology that allows them to sustain themselves through the encroaching insanity, the escalating mutation, to the point whereby they either ascend to daemon-hood, or find some other means of staving off the inevitable, as Ahriman of the Thousand Sons did. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265975-which-god-mutates-most/#findComment-3240586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkApostle Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 The Liber Chaotica even calls Tzeentch the "Great Mutator" several times. TDA Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265975-which-god-mutates-most/#findComment-3240656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zealot Of Chaos Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 going by lore from 40k and fantasy I would rate them Tzeentch Nurgle Khorne Slaanesh Khorne above Slaanesh as there are examples of Khorne mutating arms to bear greater strength or form them into weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265975-which-god-mutates-most/#findComment-3241208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Read Sigvald. To be honest, I rate it as: Tzeentch Khorne/Slaanesh Nurgle Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265975-which-god-mutates-most/#findComment-3241210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artein Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 It's more like: Tzeentch The rest Khorne, Nurgle and Slaanesh are pretty much equal in that matter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265975-which-god-mutates-most/#findComment-3241263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RolandTHTG Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 It's more like:Tzeentch The rest Khorne, Nurgle and Slaanesh are pretty much equal in that matter. +1 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/265975-which-god-mutates-most/#findComment-3241314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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