Anaraion Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 In game, however, I wish Phil had given him regular access to a Drop Pod, like other Dreadnoughts; very annoying that he didn't. V Get a dreadnought drop pod from Forge World and your problem is sorted... I might be mistaken but I believe the issue is there is no drop pod option for Bjorn in the codex. Please correct me if I am off base here... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266452-bjorn-ultimate-40k-badass/page/2/#findComment-3247974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 There's a reason the Saga of the Bear exists... Because Bjorn the Fell-Handed started it. Bjorn means "Bear" in various Scandinavian languages ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266452-bjorn-ultimate-40k-badass/page/2/#findComment-3248041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 So I have been in the trenches (HH forum) taking shots at/from the resident SW haters. Good times, I tell ya. However during the course of discussion I am always referencing old material and got to reading about Bjorn. I have come to the definitive conclusion that he is the baddest of all badasses in 40k. Let's look at some evidence; 1. He fought during the Great Crusade. 2. He fought during the Horus Heresy. 3. He fought during the Battle of the Fang. 4. He fought with Russ himself AS one of his Wolf Guard. 5. Russ trusted him to lead the VI Legion after he left. 6. He cut the arm off of the PRIMORDIAL CREATOR when he was in Horus form as a regular SW. 7. He fought a daemon PRIMARCH as a dreadnought and was the sole survivor of that encounter. 8. His name is Bjorn. I seriously don't think anyone has a resume like above, not to mention the things I am missing. If I was drinking right now, I would raise a tankard to Bjorn! TO BJORN!!! Imo the only valid reasons there to put Bjorn forth as a badass (compared to other astartes) at all are numbers 6 and 7. The rest are purely circumstantial. (I admit No. 5 might be a grey area though.) Now that's not to say he isn't a badass. He is. It's just that a lot of those reasons don't contribute to the argument in a meaningful way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266452-bjorn-ultimate-40k-badass/page/2/#findComment-3248051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Fell Hand Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Those first few are circumstantial, but mark him as special because few others in the 41st can claim the same. THAT'S why its important :cuss I mean, who else makes those claims besides Chaos guys and some Eldar? Seems pretty BA to me! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266452-bjorn-ultimate-40k-badass/page/2/#findComment-3248069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksad Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Abadon? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266452-bjorn-ultimate-40k-badass/page/2/#findComment-3248365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 In game, however, I wish Phil had given him regular access to a Drop Pod, like other Dreadnoughts; very annoying that he didn't. V Get a dreadnought drop pod from Forge World and your problem is sorted... I might be mistaken but I believe the issue is there is no drop pod option for Bjorn in the codex. Please correct me if I am off base here... Page 8 In short it can be taken as a dedicated transport for any dreadnought Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266452-bjorn-ultimate-40k-badass/page/2/#findComment-3248379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 In game, however, I wish Phil had given him regular access to a Drop Pod, like other Dreadnoughts; very annoying that he didn't. V Get a dreadnought drop pod from Forge World and your problem is sorted... I might be mistaken but I believe the issue is there is no drop pod option for Bjorn in the codex. Please correct me if I am off base here... Page 8 In short it can be taken as a dedicated transport for any dreadnought But only in groups and tournaments that are pro-"Forge World is legal". In heavily anti-"Forge World" situations, you're S.O.L. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266452-bjorn-ultimate-40k-badass/page/2/#findComment-3248468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzerbjørn Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 In game, however, I wish Phil had given him regular access to a Drop Pod, like other Dreadnoughts; very annoying that he didn't. V Get a dreadnought drop pod from Forge World and your problem is sorted... I might be mistaken but I believe the issue is there is no drop pod option for Bjorn in the codex. Please correct me if I am off base here... Page 8 In short it can be taken as a dedicated transport for any dreadnought But only in groups and tournaments that are pro-"Forge World is legal". In heavily anti-"Forge World" situations, you're S.O.L. That's easily sorted, just ask yourself, What Would Bjorn Do? ;-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266452-bjorn-ultimate-40k-badass/page/2/#findComment-3248562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 In game, however, I wish Phil had given him regular access to a Drop Pod, like other Dreadnoughts; very annoying that he didn't. V Get a dreadnought drop pod from Forge World and your problem is sorted... I might be mistaken but I believe the issue is there is no drop pod option for Bjorn in the codex. Please correct me if I am off base here... Page 8 In short it can be taken as a dedicated transport for any dreadnought But only in groups and tournaments that are pro-"Forge World is legal". In heavily anti-"Forge World" situations, you're S.O.L. That's easily sorted, just ask yourself, What Would Bjorn Do? ;-) Step on a teleporter apparently ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266452-bjorn-ultimate-40k-badass/page/2/#findComment-3248588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaraion Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 In game, however, I wish Phil had given him regular access to a Drop Pod, like other Dreadnoughts; very annoying that he didn't. V Get a dreadnought drop pod from Forge World and your problem is sorted... I might be mistaken but I believe the issue is there is no drop pod option for Bjorn in the codex. Please correct me if I am off base here... Page 8 In short it can be taken as a dedicated transport for any dreadnought Yes of course, house rules or pro Forgeworld all is okay, but this is why I noted codex and Valerian noted Phil... unless there is something else I am missing... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266452-bjorn-ultimate-40k-badass/page/2/#findComment-3248659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 In game, however, I wish Phil had given him regular access to a Drop Pod, like other Dreadnoughts; very annoying that he didn't. V Get a dreadnought drop pod from Forge World and your problem is sorted... I might be mistaken but I believe the issue is there is no drop pod option for Bjorn in the codex. Please correct me if I am off base here... Page 8 In short it can be taken as a dedicated transport for any dreadnought Yes of course, house rules or pro Forgeworld all is okay, but this is why I noted codex and Valerian noted Phil... unless there is something else I am missing... Nope, you are right on target. Not everyone allows FW rules. Wouldn't have been an issue if it had simply been included as a codex option for him, like it is for every other dreadnought. Anyway, we digress. Bjorn is cool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266452-bjorn-ultimate-40k-badass/page/2/#findComment-3249156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosLord Leon Enaek Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 My Khornate Marines once fought Bjorn. He did nothing of any real merit for 3 turns, then exploded and killed 7 Berzerkers, a Terminator and my Chaos Lord and his body became the extra objective that broke the tie in favour of the Space Wolves. Even when brought low, Bjorn is awesome... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266452-bjorn-ultimate-40k-badass/page/2/#findComment-3249227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted November 29, 2012 Author Share Posted November 29, 2012 My Khornate Marines once fought Bjorn. He did nothing of any real merit for 3 turns, then exploded and killed 7 Berzerkers, a Terminator and my Chaos Lord and his body became the extra objective that broke the tie in favour of the Space Wolves. Even when brought low, Bjorn is awesome... You do know that was planned and strategically timed by Bjorn right? In Bjorn we trust! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266452-bjorn-ultimate-40k-badass/page/2/#findComment-3249499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 So I have been in the trenches (HH forum) taking shots at/from the resident SW haters. Good times, I tell ya. However during the course of discussion I am always referencing old material and got to reading about Bjorn. I have come to the definitive conclusion that he is the baddest of all badasses in 40k. Let's look at some evidence; 1. He fought during the Great Crusade. 2. He fought during the Horus Heresy. 3. He fought during the Battle of the Fang. 4. He fought with Russ himself AS one of his Wolf Guard. 5. Russ trusted him to lead the VI Legion after he left. 6. He cut the arm off of the PRIMORDIAL CREATOR when he was in Horus form as a regular SW. 7. He fought a daemon PRIMARCH as a dreadnought and was the sole survivor of that encounter. 8. His name is Bjorn. I seriously don't think anyone has a resume like above, not to mention the things I am missing. If I was drinking right now, I would raise a tankard to Bjorn! TO BJORN!!! I agree with all of the above being a positive reason to like Bjorn the Fell Handed. However, number 8. isn't a positive. Anyone named after a member of such a terrible pop group for some reason thought of well in the pop world, is not a positive! :) See, that is where you are wrong. The fact that he CAN be named Bjorn and STILL accomplish all that he has is makes him the alpha being of the galaxy. Kinda like how Doug Flutie was so awesome DESPITE being named Doug Flutie. Dang. Drag factor and still up there! Well that's a very good point! I humbly stand corrected! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266452-bjorn-ultimate-40k-badass/page/2/#findComment-3249633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyGuyy Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Ok, highjacking this. What if anything does Bjorn need to have in our next codex to retain appropriate badassness in the current vehicle weak environment? IMHO the guy needs IWND and if you've seen the 2nd edition card for him you'd agree. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_34dj70rO5gw/TNTpYS1aKtI/AAAAAAAAAFM/EB-3HWP2zQM/s1600/bjorn.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266452-bjorn-ultimate-40k-badass/page/2/#findComment-3249989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reichfaust Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Ok, highjacking this. What if anything does Bjorn need to have in our next codex to retain appropriate badassness in the current vehicle weak environment? IMHO the guy needs IWND and if you've seen the 2nd edition card for him you'd agree. Definitely a drop-pod option, for one. I kind of disagreed about IWND when I first read your comment, but the more I think about it, it does make a lot of sense--hell, this guy just will not die. It would definitely be a massive buff though, especially combined with his 5++ invuln. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266452-bjorn-ultimate-40k-badass/page/2/#findComment-3250045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 It was, and still is, demoralising when "Venerable" was his alone and was taken away and granted to everyone some time ago. That truly hurt and e hasn't been the same since. Still revered by SW players, but no longer feared by opponents. The things that once made him unque in the game and truly special to SW players has been taken away. He still is the bedrock to any SW collector and player, he just isn't what he once was and that is sad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266452-bjorn-ultimate-40k-badass/page/2/#findComment-3250740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Ok, highjacking this. What if anything does Bjorn need to have in our next codex to retain appropriate badassness in the current vehicle weak environment? IMHO the guy needs IWND and if you've seen the 2nd edition card for him you'd agree. Definitely a drop-pod option, for one. I kind of disagreed about IWND when I first read your comment, but the more I think about it, it does make a lot of sense--hell, this guy just will not die. It would definitely be a massive buff though, especially combined with his 5++ invuln. His stats and abilities are pretty great for the points. He just doesn't get fielded much imo due to no drop pod or BA dc fleet, so he spends half the game chasing targets down. I would be happy with just a drop pod.. And maybe the option for a magna-grapple. I agree about how ven. dreads stole his thunder, but his stats still trump a normal venerable and that's before his abilities, plus it makes sense for other armies to have old dreads in their storage lockers, but Bjorn will always come out on top for what he can offer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266452-bjorn-ultimate-40k-badass/page/2/#findComment-3250762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 I agree about how ven. dreads stole his thunder, but his stats still trump a normal venerable and that's before his abilities, plus it makes sense for other armies to have old dreads in their storage lockers, but Bjorn will always come out on top for what he can offer. I'm not arguing the existence of Ancient Ones in other Chapters....that is understood. Bjorn was once the ONLY Dread that could be fielded as an HQ choice....to lead an Amry onto the field of battle. It was at that time when he got nerffed that I began playing less and now only collect and customize model builds. Bjorn was magnificent, now he just a mere shadow of his once distinctively glorious self. Suer other Chapters have theirs, but Bjorn is no longer that singularly impressive Character that he once was. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266452-bjorn-ultimate-40k-badass/page/2/#findComment-3250772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apahllo Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Ok, highjacking this. What if anything does Bjorn need to have in our next codex to retain appropriate badassness in the current vehicle weak environment? IMHO the guy needs IWND and if you've seen the 2nd edition card for him you'd agree. Definitely a drop-pod option, for one. I kind of disagreed about IWND when I first read your comment, but the more I think about it, it does make a lot of sense--hell, this guy just will not die. It would definitely be a massive buff though, especially combined with his 5++ invuln. Really, he should have it. Those freakin trailer forges have it, a 5+ inv and are under 200 points... On another note, I just finished emperors gift. He is the ultimate badass. Fenrisian always calls... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266452-bjorn-ultimate-40k-badass/page/2/#findComment-3250820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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