kabouri Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Hi guys, I just finished re-reading the Battle of the Fang. There is something i noticed which the first time did not. There is a momment, at the end , were Magnus speaking to a huge Russ statue says "But all things change, my brother. I’m not the same as I was, and you’re... well, let us not mention where you are now.’ So, taking into account that Magnus is a Deamon, with vast knowledge of the Warp and the Eye of Terror,is it possible that Russ is, somehow, alive and probably lost into the Eye of Terror ? Sorry for the english, :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksad Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 that's ok, we mostly use english on this forum anyway. [insert cheesy grin] the thing with Russ is, noone knows, since his death hasn't been recorded et, so the possibility exists, though after so many years, chances are high he's been killed somewhere without anyone being aware of it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/#findComment-3246867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anvilarium Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 The thing with Russ is, noone knows There was a piece of fluff back around 2nd or 3rd Edition which said that a group of Space Wolves (who had been searching the Eye of Terror for Russ) had found his armour discarded outside a Temple devoted to Khorne, but of the Primarch himself, there was no trace. Make of that what you will! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/#findComment-3246940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_Dew Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 He learns the truth about Prospero and is now Magnus' dog's body in an attempt to make up for it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/#findComment-3246987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Ridcully Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 I thought it was a temple to Horus? I did love that bit in the book, it has to be one of my favourite quotes outside the dreadnoughts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/#findComment-3247139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc1138 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 It's always felt to me like they've kept Russ in reserve from the early stages of the game. He's somewhere in the Eye of Terror, where time flows differently. Perhaps he's been fighting hordes of Chaos deamons for 9,500+ years, or just traveling around in circles. In the SW codexes they have the quote from Russ saying he will return when things get really bad, during the "Wolftime" (more echoes of Norse myth). Or he's dead. I like the Magnus quote from BotF, it implies that Russ is still alive, although perhaps not in the best of shape as Magnus appears to be gloating. It keeps the ambiguity (essential in good fiction!). Whether GW will ever bring LR back into the 40K universe, or 41K, 42k or whatever it is by then, is a question that belongs in the same realm as will they ever let the Emperor die and return. I for one hope they move the timeline story forward, and bring the Primarchs back (they probably will in some form, as so many are still kicking around and with the huge success of the HH and all it's ancillary materials). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/#findComment-3247173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus25 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 I think Russ is stuck in the warp in a place where he can see all the important events and decline of the imperium he fought for but can do nothing about it. Imagine a man like Russ seeing everything that is happing and being unable to act. That would be something Magnus would Gloat about. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/#findComment-3247191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Colossus Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Magnus has Russ running inside of a hamster wheel, powering the Sorceror's Planet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/#findComment-3247226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly_bear Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Magnus has Russ running inside of a hamster wheel, powering the Sorceror's Planet. Ha ha this made me chuckle Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/#findComment-3247232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisuzume Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Well, Russ did have most of his wolf lords with him when he disappeared, and the 13th company has been known to have survived for quite some time in the eye of terror. So I wouldn't find it too unlikely that he's still alive, somehow, and fighting chaos somewhere. Have to give a rival some credit, don't I? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/#findComment-3247279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc1138 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Well, Russ did have most of his wolf lords with him when he disappeared, and the 13th company has been known to have survived for quite some time in the eye of terror. That's true. And a scene reuniting him with the one Wolf Lord he left behind, Bjorn, dreadnought as he now is, is a storytelling opportunity too rich to miss! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/#findComment-3247307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForTheLion Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Hey if Draigo can sign mortarions heart and put ot back...what can Russ do? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/#findComment-3247319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Way1and Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Whether GW will ever bring LR back into the 40K universe, or 41K, 42k or whatever it is by then, is a question that belongs in the same realm as will they ever let the Emperor die and return. I for one hope they move the timeline story forward, and bring the Primarchs back (they probably will in some form, as so many are still kicking around and with the huge success of the HH and all it's ancillary materials). Dear Lord, I hope not. The Clans were cool for all of five minutes; after that, Battletech was ruined for all time... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/#findComment-3247373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc1138 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Whether GW will ever bring LR back into the 40K universe, or 41K, 42k or whatever it is by then, is a question that belongs in the same realm as will they ever let the Emperor die and return. I for one hope they move the timeline story forward, and bring the Primarchs back (they probably will in some form, as so many are still kicking around and with the huge success of the HH and all it's ancillary materials). Dear Lord, I hope not. The Clans were cool for all of five minutes; after that, Battletech was ruined for all time... I don't want to see them bringing them back to fight a Horus Heresy 2.0 or anything, but it does seem like a waste to have these great characters laying around and not using them more in the present. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/#findComment-3247378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain ChonkE Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Commander Russ in the old days was killededed. He did say (dying words I think) that he would 'be back for the Wolftime' or something like that to his guys. His fate has been much more ambiguous since then though as stated above. I kind of like the idea that he is some sort of super-wulfen running around the Eye. Maybe Russ met up with the Khan and they just cruise around in leather jackets like 'Easy Rider' rocking out on heresy era Vincent Black Shadows. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/#findComment-3247488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerelius Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 This is actually more like when during the last battle between Mordred and Arthur, where all of a sudden a stranger crashes through Mordred's forces slaying any and all that approaches, only to arrive at Arthur's side to be revealed as Lancelot. If the Wolf Time ever arrives this is how it will probably end. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/#findComment-3247645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAChos Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 It's just like the myths of the Phoenix Lords and the Rhana Dandra. There will be a final battle against chaos and all of the greatest warriors will come and make their final stand. GW won't ever write more about the final battle, but if you wanted to apocalypse it with your mates, then why not? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/#findComment-3247668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGXH Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Hey if Draigo can sign mortarions heart and put ot back...what can Russ do? :lol: Cut out Russ' heart, sign it, and put it back? Bwahahaha. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/#findComment-3247669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMarko Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 From time to time, Russ comes from warp to slap fat Magnus and burns few libraries in the process... but seriously - he's dead and so is the rest of the merry bunch..If they resurrect any of the primarchs - ciao 40k Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/#findComment-3247671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisuzume Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 he's dead and so is the rest of the merry bunch Except that Lion El'Johnson is confirmed to be alive by the word of god. Commander Russ in the old days was killededed. He did say (dying words I think) that he would 'be back for the Wolftime' or something like that to his guys. His fate has been much more ambiguous since then though as stated above. I kind of like the idea that he is some sort of super-wulfen running around the Eye. Maybe Russ met up with the Khan and they just cruise around in leather jackets like 'Easy Rider' rocking out on heresy era Vincent Black Shadows. "Listen but closely Brothers, for my life's breath is all but spent. There shall come a time far from now when our Chapter itself is dying, even as I am now dying, and our foes shall gather to destroy us. Then my children, I shall listen to your call in whatever realm of death holds me, and come I shall, no matter what the laws of life and death forbid. At the end I will be there. For the final battle. For the Wolftime." He said that to his closest wolf lords before they accompanied him out and disappeared. As for how many wolf lords accompanied him... Bjorn being the youngest was left behind. Jorin was already lost, I think. I dunno if Russ led his own company or stood above them all. So that'd mean some 10-11 Wolf Lords + Russ. Assuming that the 13th Company was already in the Eye of Terror, it wouldn't be impossible for them to have met up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/#findComment-3247678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khestra the Unbeheld Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 he's dead and so is the rest of the merry bunch Except that Lion El'Johnson is confirmed to be alive by the word of god. If you want to call that being alive. I'd say Guilliman has a better claim to that status in M41, if only because he's not being hidden from plain sight. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/#findComment-3247696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 In the Space Wolves Codex, there is a sidebar in which Russ says "Listen but closely my brothers, for my life's breath is all but spent... even as I am now dying... I shall listen of your call in whatever realm of death holds me, and coe I shall no matter what the laws of life and death forbid." and is captioned as the last words of Leman Russ. Page 28, under the Long Fangs' description. Leman Russ is dead like a rock, even his own chapter thinks so (though of course he will magically come back to life, while berating everyone else for having Librarians). At least the Salamanders have a chance of being dead or alive. EDIT: Beaten to it by Onisuzume. Forgive my zeal that I went straight to replying. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/#findComment-3247704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMarko Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 "Listen but closely Brothers, for my life's breath is all but spent. There shall come a time far from now when our Chapter itself is dying, even as I am now dying, and our foes shall gather to destroy us. Then my children, I shall listen to your call in whatever realm of death holds me, and come I shall, no matter what the laws of life and death forbid. At the end I will be there. For the final battle. For the Wolftime." Every respectful wolf dude should use this as his mantra .... But I think if Corax and Russ spent some time together they could hunt and kill almost anything... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/#findComment-3247709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Israfel Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 I love the idea of Russ, Khan and Corax hanging in the EoT slapping to the other fallen primarchs at will and waiting for right time to come back to real universe :o Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/#findComment-3247717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Ridcully Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 There's always the theory that Russ, Vulkan and Corax opened either an animal sanctuary or a pet shop. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/#findComment-3247803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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