Wilytank Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 If they resurrect any of the primarchs - ciao 40k Of course, that would make the Inquisition cry and something like plot advancement might occur. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/page/2/#findComment-3247831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Russ is to badass to be killed. He is still floating around the eye of terror. To many conflicting accounts of his disapearance to say for sure he is dead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/page/2/#findComment-3248080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Russ stands beside the Emperor with Corax, Vulkan, Ferrus, Snguinius, and the Khan wait for the day when the Emperor unleashes them on a new Crusade to sweep the forces of Chaos form the universe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/page/2/#findComment-3248110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Russ stands beside the Emperor with Corax, Vulkan, Ferrus, Snguinius, and the Khan wait for the day when the Emperor unleashes them on a new Crusade to sweep the forces of Chaos form the universe. Erm no, We know Sang is dead, we know Ferrus is dead and we know the EMP is dead/dying/whatever. Russ is with the Khan and corax having a party in the eye of terror Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/page/2/#findComment-3248229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Russ is to badass to be killed. He is still floating around the eye of terror. To many conflicting accounts of his disapearance to say for sure he is dead. ;) Russ is dead. We have the Space Wolf codex itself saying so. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/page/2/#findComment-3248277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 ;) Russ is dead. We have the Space Wolf codex itself saying so. Really? That would totally make my day. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/page/2/#findComment-3248279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMarko Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 :P Russ is dead. We have the Space Wolf codex itself saying so. Really? That would totally make my day. Pathetic... ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/page/2/#findComment-3248290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 ;) Russ is dead. We have the Space Wolf codex itself saying so. Really? That would totally make my day. "Listen but closely Brothers, for my life's breath is all but spent. There shall come a time far from now when our Chapter itself is dying, even as I am now dying, and our foes shall gather to destroy us. Then my children, I shall listen to your call in whatever realm of death holds me, and come I shall, no matter what the laws of life and death forbid. At the end I will be there. For the final battle. For the Wolftime." Page 28, under the Long Fangs description. Russ himself was admitting that he was a goner at this point, though of course he promised to come back. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/page/2/#findComment-3248296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMarko Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 If he is dead (which we can only speculate), at least he isn't killed by Martin Sheen chick... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/page/2/#findComment-3248299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 :no: Russ is dead. We have the Space Wolf codex itself saying so. Really? That would totally make my day. Pathetic... :) Uh-huh, not sure what that's supposed to mean. But when I see crap like this: Russ is to badass to be killed. He is still floating around the eye of terror. To many conflicting accounts of his disapearance to say for sure he is dead. Stuff like this: :no: Russ is dead. We have the Space Wolf codex itself saying so. Makes my day simply because of the fact that I have a very strong dislike of anything approaching a fanboy/girl whether it be real life or 40k simply because those individuals tend to have the most slanted views. Heck, I don't even like Night Lord fanboys and that's the Legion I threw my lot behind. :D So yes, I am pro-effort to anything even remotely "anti-fanboy". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/page/2/#findComment-3248302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMarko Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 :no: Russ is dead. We have the Space Wolf codex itself saying so. Really? That would totally make my day. Pathetic... :) Uh-huh, not sure what that's supposed to mean. But when I see crap like this: Russ is to badass to be killed. He is still floating around the eye of terror. To many conflicting accounts of his disapearance to say for sure he is dead. Stuff like this: :no: Russ is dead. We have the Space Wolf codex itself saying so. Makes my day simply because of the fact that I have a very strong dislike of anything approaching a fanboy/girl whether it be real life or 40k simply because those individuals tend to have the most slanted views. Heck, I don't even like Night Lord fanboys and that's the Legion I threw my lot behind. :D So yes, I am pro-effort to anything even remotely "anti-fanboy". Yeah - but to gloat over something like that (even if it is fiction ) is sad, man... I'm a newer member on this forum - but are really fanboys here so terrible that you can't ignore ott posts... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/page/2/#findComment-3248314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Not really gloating though. Or at least I didn't think of it that way. And yes, some are just that bad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/page/2/#findComment-3248318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Might be that Magnus is referring to some curse he threw on Russ's soul as he died. As it is, there are definitely conflicting sources on whether he died/went into the Eye with the 13th. Claiming it one way or the other seems pretty odd to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/page/2/#findComment-3248345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain ChonkE Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 The quote I was referring to was a RT/1.5 era book with Russ holding his two wolves I think. Not sure if it was one of the Compendium/Chapter Approved works or the big book. I'll have to check it out next time I get the motivation to drag the ol' tomes out. Anyways, that quote combined with the whole armor outside a Khornate temple kind of doesnt look good all in all for Russ being amongst the living in 40k, new fluff or no. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/page/2/#findComment-3248351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksad Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 :devil: Russ is dead. We have the Space Wolf codex itself saying so. Really? That would totally make my day. "Listen but closely Brothers, for my life's breath is all but spent. There shall come a time far from now when our Chapter itself is dying, even as I am now dying, and our foes shall gather to destroy us. Then my children, I shall listen to your call in whatever realm of death holds me, and come I shall, no matter what the laws of life and death forbid. At the end I will be there. For the final battle. For the Wolftime." Page 28, under the Long Fangs description. Russ himself was admitting that he was a goner at this point, though of course he promised to come back. "my life's breath is all but spent" isn't the same as "I'm dead". if he were dead, he wouldn't be able to make that statement, gather his warriors, board a ship, and take off, now would he? He might have felt the end approaching, and left to do one last mission, but we simply don't know. stating that he's dead (and cheering that statement because it's "anti-fanboy") is about as stupid, onesided and arrogant as stating he can't be dead because he's too badass to die. to Kol_Saresk: you've lost the right to complain about fanboyism. You're just as bad, only on the other side of the spectrum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/page/2/#findComment-3248370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Look, whether he is dead or not doesn't matter. What matters is that it is prophecy that some of the primarchs will return, which includes Russ, and Vulcan. Corax left saying, "never more" so there is no "prophecy" of his return. Khan just went missing, he never had a chance to say he would return. Lion el Johnson is sleeping in the rock, and Luther says he will absolve him, so he thinks he's coming back, and Guilliman is slowly healing. Sanguinius is a mixed case, because the novels for him say he is supposed to be reborn, and the codex says there is a prophesy of a golden figure once against standing between the enemies of man and the emperor (but Dante thinks it is him. Who knows?) All that really matters is that they will return, personally, I think all of them, and they will have one final battle against chaos. I think some of the chaos ones might actually try to redeem themselves, too. But thats just me. In the end, though, there is NO need to get fussy with each other and act like kids. Look, some of you are really seeming to get angry when people say Russ is dead. Why does it matter if he is dead or not, in his OWN QUOTE, he said he would defy the law and nature of death and come back anyways. That sounds to me like he was accepting that he would die. Why can't you? And anyways, which is more awesome, a guy who survives, or a guy who dies a hero, and then beats his way back up from hell itself and comes back to fight again? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/page/2/#findComment-3248398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMarko Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Sanguinius is dead..killed by Horus...period...there is no so-so....He's a marytr - and to think otherwise, crushes everything that Horus heresy stood... Russ and the rest of the warp company are missing and their fate is unknown,which can be positive-alive, and negative-dead; most liklely their fate will stay unknown, so that every fanboy can dream.... BL can always use teasers (read: prophecies,hints,final words etc.) to lure fanboys, so we will probably never see reunion of the dead & missing primarchs...If they do that, it will suck like the "return of Loken"... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/page/2/#findComment-3248419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain ChonkE Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 All the Primarchs will be back or be there in spirit for the End Times. The Emperor will be too. That is why it will be the big bad superapocalyptic mother of all murdermakes. Nids, Crons, Eldar; everyone will have a side and no side. Alot of the mythos around the various dead Primarchs usually revolve around some return of the Primarch for the final battle. Even headless ones ^.^ Loken's return didnt suck (although no writer handles Loken like Abnett did) but on this board there was quite a furor over whether he was dead or not. It got 'Squatted' for a little while I think it was so bad :D Anyways, Russ will be back. If the Lion is just asleep surely Russ and Guilliman will have to rise back from the dead just to spite him when he wakes up ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/page/2/#findComment-3248440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 @Blacksad: Technically I could argue that you complaining about me puts you somewhere on that spectrum but I'm not. But let's look at this quote since I noticed you only picked apart the first sentence. "Listen but closely Brothers, for my life's breath is all but spent. There shall come a time far from now when our Chapter itself is dying, even as I am now dying, and our foes shall gather to destroy us. Then my children, I shall listen to your call in whatever realm of death holds me, and come I shall, no matter what the laws of life and death forbid. At the end I will be there. For the final battle. For the Wolftime." Page 28, under the Long Fangs description. Russ himself was admitting that he was a goner at this point, though of course he promised to come back. First sentence: we see "Listen but closely Brothers, for my life's breath is all but spent." That one you got right. It could mean dying right away, dying soon due to some terminal condition or like the phrase "From the moment we are born we are dying." Dunno. Second sentence: "There shall come a time far from now when our Chapter itself is dying, even as I am now dying, and our foes shall gather to destroy us." Bold is my emphasis. That gives us our context to how the word "dying" is being used in the first sentence. Also, read about the "foes gathering" puts me in mind of a pack of buzzards(read as vultures if you do not know the term). Third sentence: "Then my children, I shall listen to your call in whatever realm of death holds me, and come I shall, no matter what the laws of life and death forbid." So Russ apparently is very certain about the fact that he will be dead whenever this "End Time" occurs and that he will be able to resurrect himself and come to the Wolves' aid. Fourth, fifth and six sentences: "At the end I will be there. For the final battle. For the Wolftime." So, again we see his promise that no matter what, he will be there. All in all, pretty self-explanatory. Now if we take all of these sentences and put them together, the definition we get is "I'm dying soon, and when the Chapter is dying as I am now, I will come and I will be there for the final battle." So Russ is saying that he is "soon to be dead" for whatever reason, but he will come back from the dead to stand with the Wolves. Rather different from just saying "I'll be dead someday." So yes, he obviously is not dead when he made this statement. But the way he said says he didn't think he was going to live very much longer afterwards either. So yes, he is very, most likely dead by his own admission when he made this statement. But, in echo of Telanicus, he is supposed to comeback at the End Times regardless of the fact he is dead. EDIT: @Telanicus; where is the bit about him slowly healing from the anathame wound? Last I heard he had been completely put in stasis which would make it impossible wouldn't it? Or is there a piece of fluff I am unaware of? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/page/2/#findComment-3248536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksad Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 never once did I say he couldn't be dead. Nor do I dispute he stated he doesn't have long to go. fact remains though, his is not a confirmed death. None but Russ himself knows what has happened (and maybe the lords he took with him) for all we know, Russ felt like he was dying when he left, but his primarchness managed to cure whatever it was that ailed him while he was out there, hunting. for all we know, he bought the bullet as soon as his ship left Fenris. my point remains: We don't know, so stating something you wish and promoting it as the only and absolute truth is moronic (or trolling, which imo is moronic) both from the side of "fanboys" and haters. another point I'd like to make: playing the army is not the same thing as being a fanboy. liking the army is not the same as being a fanboy. Hell, even contradicting someone who's hating on your army isn't fanboyism. For some reason though, you, and some others here, regard all the above as fanboyism. I suppose I can understand how this has evolved, but I'd rather see it stop. I came to this forum for the intelligent and civilised discussions. lately, I see way too many threads devolve into haters vs fanboys, and anyone who's caught in the middle gets flamed; by you, among others. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/page/2/#findComment-3248597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Uh-huh. I didn't say he was dead either and "hater" isn't the right word since I do like the Space Wolves from time to time. They're some of the more rowdy Astartes after all. All I said was that if we break down this statement, he was going to be dead soon. And I never said you said he was alive either. I said that you got the first sentence right that "We don't know" if we were to go hy just the first sentence. But we have an entire paragraph. Is it still "We don't know?" Umm yeah, I thought I said that. I also didn't say he was dead either. I said that by his own admission, he believes he soon will be dead and regardless of whether or not he is dead, he will be there for the End Times. So stop focusing on the haters vs. fanboys argument and please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please read the post. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/page/2/#findComment-3248614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwyf Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 :P Russ is dead. We have the Space Wolf codex itself saying so. Really? That would totally make my day. "Listen but closely Brothers, for my life's breath is all but spent. There shall come a time far from now when our Chapter itself is dying, even as I am now dying, and our foes shall gather to destroy us. Then my children, I shall listen to your call in whatever realm of death holds me, and come I shall, no matter what the laws of life and death forbid. At the end I will be there. For the final battle. For the Wolftime." Page 28, under the Long Fangs description. Russ himself was admitting that he was a goner at this point, though of course he promised to come back. That doesn't remotely state he is dead. Every living creature is already "dying" so that comment has no context. If he thought he was going to die and promised to come back that doesn't mean he's dead. I can promise to come back to avenge any hackers that attack this site after I'm dead but that doesn't mean I'm dead or in any danger of dying soon. Russ is lost in the Eye along with Corax and Vulcan. I firmly expect when GW gets a clue and decides to push the 40k storyline forwards that you will see both Loyal and Traitor primarchs return to more active roles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/page/2/#findComment-3248709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Sanguinius is dead..killed by Horus...period...there is no so-so....He's a marytr - and to think otherwise, crushes everything that Horus heresy stood...Russ and the rest of the warp company are missing and their fate is unknown,which can be positive-alive, and negative-dead; most liklely their fate will stay unknown, so that every fanboy can dream.... BL can always use teasers (read: prophecies,hints,final words etc.) to lure fanboys, so we will probably never see reunion of the dead & missing primarchs...If they do that, it will suck like the "return of Loken"... I never said he was anything but dead. I said he will return in the end according to *some* prophecies. He will be reborn, and there will be a second coming for him. @Kol- There is a piece in the old Ultramarine IA, and I think anywhere that covers their primarch's situation, where it says, "Some say the wound is slowly healing. How this is possible no one knows, for stasis usually prevents such things" (quoted loosely, but pretty close). I don't have my stuff on me right now, but I'm sure you can find it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/page/2/#findComment-3248741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwyf Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Sanguinius is dead..killed by Horus...period...there is no so-so....He's a marytr - and to think otherwise, crushes everything that Horus heresy stood...Russ and the rest of the warp company are missing and their fate is unknown,which can be positive-alive, and negative-dead; most liklely their fate will stay unknown, so that every fanboy can dream.... BL can always use teasers (read: prophecies,hints,final words etc.) to lure fanboys, so we will probably never see reunion of the dead & missing primarchs...If they do that, it will suck like the "return of Loken"... I never said he was anything but dead. I said he will return in the end according to *some* prophecies. He will be reborn, and there will be a second coming for him. @Kol- There is a piece in the old Ultramarine IA, and I think anywhere that covers their primarch's situation, where it says, "Some say the wound is slowly healing. How this is possible no one knows, for stasis usually prevents such things" (quoted loosely, but pretty close). I don't have my stuff on me right now, but I'm sure you can find it. There's a device in the Angel Exterminatus HH novel that can heal people while in stasis. It is healing an Iron Hands captain that should be dead and is healing his wounds while in stasis. This shows that you can heal while in stasis. I am one of the believers that Papa Smurf is healing in stasis and whenever they bring him out he'll be fine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/page/2/#findComment-3248792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 But so far there is only one Heart of Iron revorded and no such device was recorded to be on place on Gulliman and actually it healed the Captain through the several times that they pulled him out stasis, left him out for a while and then put him. It still did not work in stasis. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/266578-russalive/page/2/#findComment-3248849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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