disease Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Brothers, Allow me to introduce myself. I am "disease" (AKA Madoktopus) and I have just picked up my first real W40k minatures. I say 'real' in the sense that as an aspirant I had bought 3rd edition 40k but never went further than assembling the SM contained in the box. Although these models were later donated to another aspirant, I kept an interest in the 40k universe and over the years read most of the books from the Black Library. I am now (10 years later) at a stage where I am ready to become a full battle brother, and model, paint and play W40k. So without further ado, I introduce my own DA Sucessors: 'Chapter 4569' Yep, that's right I don't have an official name for them yet! (Ideas welcomed!) Here's the fluff I / Imperial Scholars have on this chapter: 'Chapter 4569' is a successor chapter which can trace it's lineage to the Dark Angels. The chapter was formed to cut growing dissent within the ranks of the DA, where certain veterans were making formal complaints at not being chosen to promote when vacancies were avaliable, not being allowed access to certain parts of the Rock, and the associated misinformation surrounding certain past events. When the annoucement came that a new chapter was going to be created, most of these veterans were only too eager to join and stamp their own culture of openess into the new regiment. The 'chapter 4569' colour scheme was originally bone and black with green accents. Bone to honour the fear and reputation which the Deathwing hold across the Imperium. Black to honour the tactical acumen of the Ravenwing. The green accents on the shoulder guards a nod to the forests of Caliban. However, after the Galem massacre, where fully one third of the chapter were destroyed in a Death Guard ambush in just 5 days, the chapter has since re-painted all the accents blood red to honour the fallen who faught valiantly to the end, despite knowing that re-enforcements would not arrive for T+20 days. As can be deduced, 'chapter 4569' will always investigate any distress calls or rumours of chaos taint in the hope they can avenge the fallen and claim retribution on the Death Guard. The Chapter has a strict ethic of openess. Neophytes are actively encouraged to share information and raise concerns with their superiors, likewise Veterans and officers are encouraged to socialise and learn the names of the lower ranks. The introduction of warrior lodges has greatly improved this mechanism. Since the chapter is operating at reduced numbers, the deployment doctrine has modified to accomodate. It is common practice that before deployment the commanding officer will handpick the warriors he feels are most suited to the task ahead. This process should not be difficult as the officer should know the skills and attributes of all the men within his lodge. Another key cornerstone of the chapter ethos is the the persuit of knowledge. "Know thy Enemy. Know thy self. Know Victory". In light of this, 'chapter 4569' marines will spend large amounts of time studying or even on secondment with other Imperial forces (whether these 'secondments' fall under know thy enemy or know thy self is yet to be determined by the Legio). The displayed openess by the chapter is often seen as a double bluff by allied comanders who are often reluctant to have the marines present. Knowledge gained from these missions, or from any other study is made avaliable to all marines in the Librarium Magnifica on board the flagship "Alea Iacta Est". Within the chapter itself, marines are not given specific roles as such, but instead complete 5 year rotations within each disipline. This ensures that any future losses will not impact as hard as the Galem disaster. Once a marine has cycled through all sub-disciplines, he may then approach the head of that area and ask to be a permanent member of staff (such as an apothecary or Devastator sergeant), or if no promotion is avaliable, an expert within that field. The only exception to this are psychics who are automatically apprenticed to a full librarian. The purity of the chapter geneseed has been questioned by the administratum. Scholar Gwillem Hesperus theorised that since the Galem massacre, the chapter has been experimenting with mixing external chapter geneseeds in order to produce marines at a faster rate. His comments were based on numerous reports of marines in bone and black armour engaging in spurious activites that could be related to other chapters. For example one report made by a tribesman of Mycota tells of armoured giants made of bone and shadow mutilating and devouring the dead, however the accuracy of this source is questionable. Such heretical comments cost Hesperus his job, to which he vowed to find the truth. 'Chapter 4569' maintains the stance that Hesperus never made it onboard the Alea Iacta Est and his ship was destroyed by Eldar Pirates. No Eldar activity has been reported in that area of space before or after that particular event. The chapter has also maintained that it's geneseed is too precious to waste on administratum testing and has so far failed to produce any samples. So there you have it. A chapter that i don't yet have a name for, that may or may not be keeping secrets despite its talk of openess. I'm not sure how well it will pan out in terms of gaming, but I always envisioned squads being led by chaplains, with a master 'Arch chaplain' as the force commander? Further to this, preferred weapons are always swords and plasmas. And here are the first ever minis i have painted: http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y264/Madoktopus/W40k/IMAG0533.jpg http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y264/Madoktopus/W40k/IMAG0534.jpg http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y264/Madoktopus/W40k/IMAG0535.jpg Shoulder pads were a nightmare! need lots of tips as these 5 took me the best part of 3 days to do! Thoughts, comments, name suggestions, anything else you want to talk about welcomed! Thanks, Disease. Thought of the day: Nobody is innocent, there are merely varying levels of guilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Arkley Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Welcome to the Rock Brother. Looking good nice scheme, what you planning to paint next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Very nicely painted minis, they look good! I especially like the helmets, because they look very similar to my Boneseekers. :) It also looks like the reverse of the Mortifactors chapter, which is funny (because that's what was told to me). As far as your Chapter fluff, interesting ideas, but keep in mind, there are only 1,000 chapters, so it's unlikely that even a temporary designation would be in the 4k range. Keep up the good work, I'll be on the look out for more! Welcome to the Rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LidlessPraetor Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Good God man, 'first models ever painted' are you serious? I wish the first ones I painted looked half as good as those. Cannot say it enough, very well done! Love the scheme, and I hope to see a full army of these, yet unnamed chapter, marines in the very near future :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortsol Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Welcome to the Rock, I'm fairly new to the forum myself. I like that colour scheme, very cool. What kind of trouble were the shoulder pads giving you, was it just taking to long? You'll get quicker with them over time. Make sure you experiment with how you do them, you'll find quicker ways to do things and your painting skills (which are already looking pretty good) will shoot through the roof. I like the fluff, I really like the idea that they're ideology and posting structure is different from other chapters not just their paint job. Hopefully we'll see more models from you in the near future :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kovash Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Ave Imperator, Brothers disease and Shortsol! Welcome to the Rock, we're glad to have you here. Disease, for your first painted minis, you've done some exceptional work. Especially considering that you're using what looks to be the new 40k starting paint set models. They are not easy to paint properly, since their static pose allows for little variation. My first few models (Tau, blech) looked like someone had vomited on them, so keep at it. Don't worry about how long it takes you to paint; you'll find that everyone has their own speed of painting. As for your Chapter, I like the story very much. You've given respect to our founding history and at the same time offered a valid way to deal with those Battle Brothers who witness what's going on without any explanation. Since you are promoting openness within your Chapter, I'd try naming them something with the word 'Brothers' in it, such as the Brothers of Caliban or Brotherhood of the Lion. Good luck to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puck Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I really like your fluff, the only question I have about it is the following: Why would a chapter based around open transmission of information not cooperate with curious inquisitors or submit for geneseed examination? Even if they're geneseed is a precious commodity (what chapter's isn't), the geneseed tithe is like the one hard rule space marine chapters have trouble getting around. If I may suggest an alternative: the DA's supply your chapter with their tithe seed because their experiments with creating marines at a faster rate benefits the secret legion organization of the 1st Legion. Although this still runs somewhat counter to the professed openness of the young chapter. Also what are you chapter's views on the Fallen? You said the officer cadre for your chapter was composed of marines who weren't getting promoted so do they know of the Fallen? Do they care? Do they tell all their scouts on day one about The Fall? How do the humans recruits handle the knowledge that the god-like space marines can betray the Imperium? Despite leaving on what seems like somewhat bad terms, what is their relationship with their parent chapter? As for names, may I suggest: The Seekers The Illuminators The Angels Illuminated The Bringers of Light Knights/Brothers/Angels of the Burning Truth The Light Bringers The Knights/Brothers/Angels Empowered (inspired by the famous 40k phrase "Knowledge is power, guard it well") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator Stobz Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Welcome to the Rock Brother Disease, Also, welcome to the slowness of painting. You will get faster and better, then you will get slower as you try to lift your standard, then you will get faster etc. etc. etc. Just enjoy the process and the satisfaction of completions. Your fluff looks cool, as does you scheme. Well done on choosing to join the Unforgiven, whether your Chapter likes it or not, they Will join the hunt! :P stobz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Some people are just blessed with the painting gene.... I am not. Where are you picking up techniques from? Are you conversent in terms like "Drybrushing", "Blacklining" and "Wet Pallette"? (just to get us an idea of how basic to make our pointers) When taking pictures you need to get more light on them (Just like all the rest of us need to) or monkey with the light settings on the cam (or use an editor to fix the light levels after the fact, I use Photobucket for my posting and it has a decent light editor) Again; Excellent job! The speed will come with more practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cactus Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 First models ever? Your painting is already extremely good, as is your choice of colours! Try not to worry (or even think) about how long each model takes. For a slow painter like myself it can be demoralising to consider that it will take x days/months/years to finish model y. As Stobz says, "enjoy the process and the satisfaction". Is there a particular stage that's getting you down? We might be able to offer tips to remove some of the effort or accelerate the process. Personally I find the initial base coat a real chore. Therefore I try to make use of dry-brushing and washes on any large areas so I can get on and have fun painting the details. The figure of 1000 chapters currently in existence can only ever be a best guess, and who can say how many previous chapters have been lost? The numbering needn't be sequential either, so 4569 is fine. But be aware that with-holding the gene-seed tithes is a major crime. The Astral Claws did that and it didn't turn out well. I really like your idea of a more fluid organisational structure for the chapter too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 The figure of 1000 chapters currently in existence can only ever be a best guess, and who can say how many previous chapters have been lost? The numbering needn't be sequential either, so 4569 is fine. See, this is why I really like 40K lore, because both interpretations are right. <_< It all depends on how you individually want to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 The figure of 1000 chapters currently in existence can only ever be a best guess, and who can say how many previous chapters have been lost? The numbering needn't be sequential either, so 4569 is fine. See, this is why I really like 40K lore, because both interpretations are right. <_< It all depends on how you individually want to see it. In the distant past (5 - 10 or so years ago)(around the time of the Chapter Approved books) I heard of a poll taken by GW to try to find out how many "home brewed" chapters there were and they got to 1200ish when they quit.... [/salt] Anybody else remember this? (PM me so we dont derail the thread...)(worse) Back to our scheduled plog... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disease Posted November 28, 2012 Author Share Posted November 28, 2012 Sorry if I don't answer everyone! Welcome to the Rock Brother.Looking good nice scheme, what you planning to paint next? Thanks! Erm, probably the basic marines in the Vengeance set. I want to nail the colour scheme before I attempt any characters, bikes or termites! ... but keep in mind, there are only 1,000 chapters, so it's unlikely that even a temporary designation would be in the 4k range... Ahh, this is just a temporary designation until i think of a cool bame, it won't be around for long. ... 'first models ever painted' are you serious? ... Yep, never painted a mini before. Read a few guides online though before starting, I didnt just pick up a brush! ... What kind of trouble were the shoulder pads giving you, was it just taking to long? ... found it very difficult to get a crisp line on the white wings. Either my brush spilled into the black, or when tidying, my brush would spill onto the white. Really need to get a detail brush! I'm not overly happy with the colours used either. I like the bone and black, but I'm not sure on the shoulder pads and accent colours, only went with red as I dont have any dark green paint! So had to make up a reason why they would deviate from caliban accenting, hence a loss of a third of the chapter in just a few days. Unfortuately, for the life of me I cannot get the SM painter to work, I have a few ideas i would like to test on paper first. For example, bone accents with red insignia. This is the part i'm struggling with. Once I am happy with the scheme I'll attmept the other models. ...Disease, for your first painted minis, you've done some exceptional work. Especially considering that you're using what looks to be the new 40k starting paint set models... As for your Chapter, I like the story very much. You've given respect to our founding history and at the same time offered a valid way to deal with those Battle Brothers who witness what's going on without any explanation. Since you are promoting openness within your Chapter, I'd try naming them something with the word 'Brothers' in it, such as the Brothers of Caliban or Brotherhood of the Lion. Good luck to you. Correct, those are starter marines: My first foray into 40k was to buy the dark vengence box set, the citadel hobby starter set (paints, clippers, glue, basing materials - not sure how cost effective that was at £35!!!), the W40k starter paint set, some liquid green stuff, some real green stuff, a pin vice and a sculpting tool. The kind Sir at the till offered to swap the paints in the box sets for those of my choosing: Abbadon Black, White Scar, Mechanicus Grey, Leadbelcher, Fenrisian grey, ushabti bone, XV88, Auric Armour Gold, Yriel yellow, Macragge Blue, Sybarite green, Mephiston Red and Genestealer Purple. In addition, I have at my disposal the following washes: Nuln Oil, seraphim Sepia, Reikland fleshshade, Drakenhof Nightshade and Casandora yellow. Very much like the idea of having 'brotherhood / Brothers' in the title... I really like your fluff, the only question I have about it is the following: Why would a chapter based around open transmission of information not cooperate with curious inquisitors or submit for geneseed examination? Even if they're geneseed is a precious commodity (what chapter's isn't), the geneseed tithe is like the one hard rule space marine chapters have trouble getting around. If I may suggest an alternative: the DA's supply your chapter with their tithe seed because their experiments with creating marines at a faster rate benefits the secret legion organization of the 1st Legion. Although this still runs somewhat counter to the professed openness of the young chapter. Also what are you chapter's views on the Fallen? You said the officer cadre for your chapter was composed of marines who weren't getting promoted so do they know of the Fallen? Do they care? Do they tell all their scouts on day one about The Fall? How do the humans recruits handle the knowledge that the god-like space marines can betray the Imperium? Despite leaving on what seems like somewhat bad terms, what is their relationship with their parent chapter? Dang! Now i'm going to have to re-think or abandon all my fluff! I guess I am not too hot on Dark Angels history. To be honest, I'm not sure it was a smart move by GW to make the marines in DV exclusively Dark angels since it means a lot of people (like me) find themselves wanting to use the beautiful minatures but had plans for a different chapter. They should have included a dark angels upgrade sprue and regular marines. I can't change that, but if it helps, I wanted to do a chapter based on the following themes: Bone and Black armour scheme as per Aerion the Faithful's drawing of the Primarch Corax. Penchant for swords and plasma weaponry, feathers as accessorries. Led by chaplains (Even squad sergeants are chaps but swords instead of rosarius). lots of affiliation and imagery of death ala mortifactors. Get some Legion of the damned minis in there somehow. And perhaps most importantly, they must have a reason to hate the Death Guard! (For the most part I will be playing DG, hence the name, and my buddy will be playing as these loyalist scum!) So I guess, in light of those things, It had to be a DA or Ravenguard sucessor. I'm just unsure on making a cohesive backstory that will enthuse me and my pal to play over and over again. (When we lived together at uni, me and my buddy would play Dawn of War constantly against each other, our chaos VS loyalist fued runs deep - when we left uni, the white board in my room showed a tally of 151 to him and 148 to me. So thats what got me back into W40k, his goading that on a table top i could have all the time i needed to think things through before i got beaten again)! So I am open to some ideas, as I want this chapter to be fluff friendly. Sure they are my minis, but I do love the 40k world and want them to fit. Where are you picking up techniques from? Are you conversent in terms like "Drybrushing", "Blacklining" and "Wet Pallette"? (just to get us an idea of how basic to make our pointers)When taking pictures you need to get more light on them (Just like all the rest of us need to) or monkey with the light settings on the cam (or use an editor to fix the light levels after the fact, I use Photobucket for my posting and it has a decent light editor) Again; Excellent job! The speed will come with more practice. Just googling how to paint bone, how to paint black etc... I know drybrushing not sure on the other terms? I water my paints if thats what you mean?? Here's a pic with the most light I can give. May have gone a bit overbaord with battle damage, but i like dirty marines! http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y264/Madoktopus/W40k/DSCF1495.jpg First models ever? Your painting is already extremely good, as is your choice of colours! Try not to worry (or even think) about how long each model takes. For a slow painter like myself it can be demoralising to consider that it will take x days/months/years to finish model y. As Stobz says, "enjoy the process and the satisfaction". Is there a particular stage that's getting you down? We might be able to offer tips to remove some of the effort or accelerate the process. Personally I find the initial base coat a real chore. Therefore I try to make use of dry-brushing and washes on any large areas so I can get on and have fun painting the details. The figure of 1000 chapters currently in existence can only ever be a best guess, and who can say how many previous chapters have been lost? The numbering needn't be sequential either, so 4569 is fine. But be aware that with-holding the gene-seed tithes is a major crime. The Astral Claws did that and it didn't turn out well. I really like your idea of a more fluid organisational structure for the chapter too. Yep first ever. Time is a killer - nearly 30 hours on those 5! Finding highlighting black difficult and not happy with the shoulder pads at all! not happy with the colours and the technique, but as mentioned the SM painter doesnt work on my PC. :D chapter designation really is temporary! Ok, as per above fluff rethink is in order but want to keep fluid org design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disease Posted November 28, 2012 Author Share Posted November 28, 2012 And Woo hoo! I just won Interrogator Chaplain Seraphicus on ebay for £6.50!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Congrats ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harleqvin Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Yeah, Seriphicus* is a nice model. I got three of the DV limiteds because of him :D The wet pallette is basically a box with a sponge you put water into and then place a lightly waxey piece of paper on which pulls some water but not all and it keeps paint wet while you use it so you don't need to keep your pots open and dry out. Privateer has an alright one which I use. Try a line for painting. doing one thing at a time with several minis and then when you get done with one part you can then start on the next part with the first in line as it should be dry by then. You can go as slow or fast and it usually makes things go a bit faster. That's when you get how you want the scheme to look that is. Nice job though! For taking pics try to put something white behind them. It helps with pics, as can some more light. I try to normally do that myself but I know I fail that myself sometimes when I am just going for a shot in progress. lqtm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puck Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Dang! Now i'm going to have to re-think or abandon all my fluff! I guess I am not too hot on Dark Angels history. To be honest, I'm not sure it was a smart move by GW to make the marines in DV exclusively Dark angels since it means a lot of people (like me) find themselves wanting to use the beautiful minatures but had plans for a different chapter. They should have included a dark angels upgrade sprue and regular marines. I can't change that, but if it helps, I wanted to do a chapter based on the following themes: Bone and Black armour scheme as per Aerion the Faithful's drawing of the Primarch Corax. Penchant for swords and plasma weaponry, feathers as accessorries. Led by chaplains (Even squad sergeants are chaps but swords instead of rosarius). lots of affiliation and imagery of death ala mortifactors. Get some Legion of the damned minis in there somehow. And perhaps most importantly, they must have a reason to hate the Death Guard! (For the most part I will be playing DG, hence the name, and my buddy will be playing as these loyalist scum!) So I guess, in light of those things, It had to be a DA or Ravenguard sucessor. I'm just unsure on making a cohesive backstory that will enthuse me and my pal to play over and over again. (When we lived together at uni, me and my buddy would play Dawn of War constantly against each other, our chaos VS loyalist fued runs deep - when we left uni, the white board in my room showed a tally of 151 to him and 148 to me. So thats what got me back into W40k, his goading that on a table top i could have all the time i needed to think things through before i got beaten again)! I wouldn't worry too much. Just start at the top: what specifically do you like/don't like about the DA fluff looking through the themes you mentioned, I see a lot of modeling themes and details but no fluff based themes. Make a bullet list and address each concern. Some of the things you mentioned sound very Raven Gaurd (hating DG, experimenting with geneseed, feathers, your scheme is inspired by Corax etc). You could probably shave the DA iconography off of the DV minis and call them Raven Gaurd successors. If you want to stick with DA's the two questions you really need to answer are: how does your chapter feel about the Fallen and in extension, what is their method if any of keeping knowledge of the Fallen secret. Their stance on the Fallen could be that they don't care ala Angels of Absolution but even the AoA don't tell everyone in the chapter about the Fallen on the first day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kovash Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Keeping the lore of your Chapter can be somewhat difficult, given the mysterious nature of the First Legion. One thing I could suggest is that once the higher ranking officers in your Chapter learn of the Fallen, they would have a better understanding of the secretive nature within the Dark Angels, and would then be able to use that to indoctrinate some of their Frater into the Inner Circle. Just an idea, definitely needs some more fleshing out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psish Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Yep first ever. Time is a killer - nearly 30 hours on those 5! You call this long? Its been over 9 month since I've decided to start painting and bought my first combat squad. So far I've managed to paint 3 test models, hope to have 5 models done by the next summer ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facmanpob Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Yep first ever. Time is a killer - nearly 30 hours on those 5! Finding highlighting black difficult and not happy with the shoulder pads at all! not happy with the colours and the technique, but as mentioned the SM painter doesnt work on my PC. :D You really should see the first minis I painted.... linky They didn't have shading, there was sloppy brush technique everywhere, and the bases were ludicrous! :D But we all start somewhere, and I think that you have started from a very good place. My advice would be to practice, practice, practice, and do one miniature at a time.....that way in a couple of months when you are a lot better at painting you won't look back and think "omg, I wasted so many minis painting like cr*p!". Because in a couple of months time your painting skills will be much better and you will be far quicker at it too. I've been painting for less that 2 years, and the minis I paint now (whilst still being nowhere near the standard of some of the minis on here!) are not even comparable to the first few I did. Oh, and finally, whilst I wouldn't normally do GW advertising for them, I can recommend the "how to paint..." book and DVD from GW.....the DVD is very good as it really shows you how to go about doing the basics properly. There are loads of youtube videos as well you could watch (type 'Lester Bursley' into the youtube search bar!), but a lot of those don't focus on the basics. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disease Posted November 29, 2012 Author Share Posted November 29, 2012 Well I played around abit with the colours tonight since i wasn't quite happy with the shoulder pads. Here are the options: Original: http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y264/Madoktopus/W40k/IMAG0539.jpg Black Trim: http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y264/Madoktopus/W40k/IMAG0540.jpg Bone Insert: http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y264/Madoktopus/W40k/IMAG0541.jpg Apologies for the poor colour balance, the bone isn't so yellow in real life. I think i'm leaning on the last mini scheme, but then that leaves what colour do I do the robes on the officers? I have a feeling the models could look to busy if they are green with the red guns, but the minis would be too dark without coloured weapons. So what if i did green weapons and green robes? Would that be too busy with the red shoulder pads? Decisions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puck Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 I like the bone inserts myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Green bolters and robes will look fine. Black robes would look good too but black is more intimidating to paint than green. http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w20/fred40k2002/Deathwing/Septius041.jpg http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w20/fred40k2002/Deathwing/decius013.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elphilo Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 I like the bone inserts myself Another vote for the bone inserts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanhausen Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Welcome on board Brother! Well I played around abit with the colours tonight since i wasn't quite happy with the shoulder pads. Here are the options: Original: http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y264/Madoktopus/W40k/IMAG0539.jpg I think i'm leaning on the last mini scheme, but then that leaves what colour do I do the robes on the officers? I have a feeling the models could look to busy if they are green with the red guns, but the minis would be too dark without coloured weapons. So what if i did green weapons and green robes? Would that be too busy with the red shoulder pads? Decisions... It's a great start. REALLY REALLY good. But since you're asking for critique (the only way to improve for any of us)...here we go! 1.- The eyes. The first glance you give to a model, usually you focus either on the chest plate or the face in a natural fashion. Some people try to divert this impulse by doing OSL (Object Source Light) on a point (for example, the plasma coil os a pistol the model is holding) and THAT becomes the new focus. Your models...don't have eyes! Due to the colour choices you've done, I suggest either yello (conservative, in the range of the pallet you have) or blue (quite a focus point). Painting lenses is really easy: dark blue, mix of 1:1 dark blue:light grey painting from the nose to the corner of the eye leaving a bit of the dark blue showing. Last, a single light spot of light grey (or with A BIT of dark blue) in the most prominent point of the lense close to the corner of the eye. That's the glint of the light reflecting. Remember: better 2 layers of thin paint than 1 thick one and having to start over. 2.- The bone plates are not homogenous (sp?) Some points are darker than others. Again, thin layers (1:2 paint:water if using citadel paints) are your friends, leaving a bit of the darker colour showing every layer you do. Be patient...you're in no hurry right? ENJOY every model, that's the beauty of painting because you feel like it. I'm by no means a good painter or even a decent painter (I'm a gamer), your scheme choice is REALLY nice and you chose very well what to paint what colour. Hope it helps and we have a new pro painter around :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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