Azoriel Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 "Ctrl + A", if you don't feel like clicking your mouse overly much Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267362-ravenwing/page/3/#findComment-3261547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Just finished it. Overall, I thought it a great addition to Dark Angel material. Several great characters and insights. As others have mentioned, the best parts I thought were the tensions building and playing out between the 2nd and 5th companies. It also was great properly explaining how the Ravenwing worked. Maybe it's just me, but I never quite understood how Ravenwing hunted the Fallen, but that only the Deathwing knew about the Fallen. This was well dealt with and satisfied me in that regard. It wasn't perfect - there were a few clunky bits. Annael only wondering how the Lion died after 400 years as a DA seemed a bit silly, but I was just ok with that. Some of the other things - narrative/dialogue, not content - jarred a bit more. I understand why Gav did some of them, but they still jarred. Sammael seemed to have an astonishing level of short attention span and be easily swayed by his counsellors - he seemed to regularly forget pivotal details of the situation, having to be reminded by the Chaplain and Librarian - you know, minor things like the fact that you are chasing Cypher, or be quite sensibly concerned that you're walking into an obvious trap, but then the Chaplain says "damn the torpedos" so you wall blithely into it. EDIT: I do think it would have been better if the 5th Company marines had been selectively mind-wiped (as in, just their memories of the events on the last planet had been erased, by mind wipe or psychic manipulation. Would be more realistic than promoting them to Deathwing, and also set up a better line of tension for future plotlines. That said, these are minor quibbles in the largest scheme of the whole novel - overall, thought it very good. The other thing I was very excited about were the new units that were described. Given the codex has supposedly been done for some time, and recent trends of more direct linkages of items from codexes into BL novels, I'd say we'll see all of the goodies. Dark Talon and Nephilim flyers (both of which sounded ace), Black Knights, Plasma-loaded Land Speeders, "Dark Shroud" landspeeders (which could be fantastic on a tactical level, assuming the points make sense) all sound like they'll make Dark Angels really distinctive but not at all "Thunder-Lion" silly. Pretty excited! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267362-ravenwing/page/3/#findComment-3264757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Is it possible to remove the spoiler covers? I find the increased level of spoiler tagging, and multi-quote posts all tagged, with all the quotes also tagged, actually very fitting for a discussion about how the Dark Angels conceal knowledge from those not meant to access it! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267362-ravenwing/page/3/#findComment-3264782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanan Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 really enjoying this thread and all the to and fro discussion... i ordered mine last week and my copy arrived on monday ~grins~ i am going to read it now and hopefully will finish the book in one sitting... as i have been waiting soooooo long for a Ravenwing themed book and perhaps the DA will get something like a LS Tsunami after all lolz... for anyone that doesnt know its a variant of LS i invented back in 2006/07... i can post a pic here if anyone wants to take a look or check out my WIP thread... anyways i wish ALL of my Dark Angel brethren a very merry Xmas! http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/zrolimit88/DSC08860.jpg I find the increased level of spoiler tagging, and multi-quote posts all tagged, with all the quotes also tagged, actually very fitting for a discussion about how the Dark Angels conceal knowledge from those not meant to access it! agreed Battle-Brother Aegnor! catch you on the flipside peace Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267362-ravenwing/page/3/#findComment-3265424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Degas Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 So just finished this and thought Id chip in.... The characters are reasonably well developed and each has enough variation to keep it interesting and not just "super soldiers on a mission" feel which some books have. I don't think as mentioned before that the elevation to the black knights and DW are rewards, rather that this might seem as an elevation of sorts but there is some conflict between the oaths of brotherhood and centuries of indoctrination and having to deal with there own fallibility. Death in battle is expected and accepted but do give up and renounce that calling must be hard to reconcile. Its also shown in one point that Malicafar is a subordinate of Sammael but is higher in the inner circle which is interesting as I would have thought the grandmaster of the 2nd would be fairly high up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267362-ravenwing/page/3/#findComment-3266129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanan Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 i like how we can just highlight the text with your mouse and it becomes visible its similar to an old trick an ex girlfriend and myself used to send coded messages to each other... back then we simply would make the txt colour white and leave a star a the beginning of the message to indicate its presence... when you highlight txt with the mouse it appears blue and thus visible... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267362-ravenwing/page/3/#findComment-3266249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 It's a bit more fiddly to read spoiler tagged stuff on iphone - I'm cutting and pasting into Notes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267362-ravenwing/page/3/#findComment-3266361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebus Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 You can just hit reply on the post and it will show all the spoilers. B) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267362-ravenwing/page/3/#findComment-3267633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Reaper Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Got Ravenwing a few days early from my housemate. I am loving it to pieces. The mid-combat dialogue is superb. I find 40k novels tend to go dialogue-combat-dialogue and one of them feels tacked on, like the combat doesn't belong in a combat novel or too much talking in a battle book. Mr Thorpe...good job. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267362-ravenwing/page/3/#findComment-3267822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Just finished myself. Good read but I do agree with Phoebus and others. The last quarter was rushed. When Sammael was first discussing the plan to use the Imperial Commander I actually thought he was going to go against it - it just seemed wrong both tactically and honorably. I thought that it was what Thorpe was trying to set up from the get go actually, with Boreas's realization that by hunting the Fallen at all costs, the Dark Angels sacrificed what it was to really be Adeptus Astartes - defending humanity. I really thought Sammy was going to conjure up an alternative plan because of that. But he went along with the plan and that disappointed me. Like others, the promotion to DW also didn't sit well with me. But it should be noted that Sammeal said "...rendered into the care of the Deathwing" and did not specifically use the term "inducted". Perhaps they will be rendered into the care so they may be judged. Mind-wipe may not yet be out of the question. Of course the next sentence does say "Serve in the First Company with honor...", I still feel that perhaps their induction is not a definite. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267362-ravenwing/page/3/#findComment-3278252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillyfish Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Got it for Christmas and finished it a couple of days ago. Regarding the bit about entering the Deathwing, I did notice an interesting bit about Telemenus stating when he faced the Deathguard that he had faced traitors before, but that this time it seemed almost painful to him. The way Gav wrote it suggested to me that Telemenus had had his memory tinkered with by the Librarians. So perhaps being rendered into the care of the Deathwing could result in similar consequences. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267362-ravenwing/page/3/#findComment-3278673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare84 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 There just seemed to be a few characters that didn't need a part in the book Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/267362-ravenwing/page/3/#findComment-3278710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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