Brotherhood Champion vs Kharn

[skarn]

Does the final strike psychic power work? I can't see a definite answer in the FAQ for either side.

[MFive]

Does the final strike psychic power work? I can't see a definite answer in the FAQ for either side.

 

why wouldn't it work?

[skarn]

Because Khârn is immune to psychic powers?

[MFive]

then he would be immune to it, as it is a psychic power's

[playedsincedaemonhunters]

You get 5 points for a hard to answer question. I will have to say after reading the passage that No he cant be killed by it, becase it is a psychic power that directly targets him. Now i dont have a C:CSM codex but isnt Kharns rule he ignores Nemesis force attacks? or did they bump it to all psychic now?

[skarn]

Basically Khârn gets a 2+ deny the witch roll.

 

So I guess the real question is, do you get a deny the witch roll against Heroic Sacrifice?

[brindley]

The champion does a psychic power to pass a personal test, then makes an attack, it does not auto hit like targeted spells do. For instance if you cast something that hits kharns unit with a blast or d6 hits he gets his deny the witch. As such I think it works, and im the one that would normally support Khârn, easily my favourite and most hilarious character in warhammer.

[Gentlemanloser]

Khârn dies to HS.

 

HS is a power cast by the BC on the BC. No deny the witch.

[number6]

Khârn dies to HS.

 

HS is a power cast by the BC on the BC. No deny the witch.

This is exactly correct. :P

[thade]

number6 and GML both beat me to it. I'm gettin slow in my old age.

[Inquisitor Fox]

Rather perfect example as to why a lot of us have said a Brotherhood Champion is worth his points cost. Especially in larger games where you can double your Force Org if you have enough Troops...

[adamv6]

Rather perfect example as to why a lot of us have said a Brotherhood Champion is worth his points cost. Especially in larger games where you can double your Force Org if you have enough Troops...

 

A Brotherhood Champion is almost a must against any CSM army. He is a brilliant counter to all the Chaos Lords, and considering most of them (even a vanilla lord with wargear) come in well over the 100 points a BC costs us, its a fantastic exchange of points.

 

CSM player "And I will challenge with Lucius, who I hope you realise is an absolute monster in challenges. What is your Weapon Skill again (laughs to himself)..."

GK player "Weapon Skill 7. By the way, I will happily accept that challenge with my Brotherhood Champion... you didn't want to see Lucius again this game did you?"

[Zeratul29]

nice example adam :D

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

The spell does target the enemy character - the BC is going to die anyway so it's not directly affecting him.

 

G :P

[DK1]

HS does not say "target" anywhere is the description, only that if it passes he makes an attack. Its mechanics are like Hammerhand, therefor it would remove Khârn. Simpley put you do not have to pick who your attack is going to hit until after the test is passed, then you make an attack, you do not get a DtW since it is not a target power.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

It's obviously targeting the enemy model and not like Hammerhand which affects the caster.

 

G :P

[DK1]

Where in the description does it say it targets another model? It only says it gives the Champion an "out of initiative" attack, its grants him the attack, not target another model. So if someone can prove otherwise no where does it say target for the psychic power.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

It doesn't have to say - that's what it does.

 

G

[DK1]

It doesn't have to say - that's what it does.

 

G

 

So your adding to the words? so im going to add that all psycannons auto rend on a 2+ since thats what it does.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

But the rules never say nor imply that. If you want to cheat and your opponents let you then I guess you can.

 

G

[DK1]

But the rules never say nor imply that. If you want to cheat and your opponents let you then I guess you can.

 

G

 

Its not cheating if no where in the rules it says it "targets" a model. If you can show me where it says it targets a unit then yes they would get a Deny. HS is worded the same as Hammerhand, "if the test is passed the unit..." "if the test is passed, the Champion..."

 

Unlike Dark Exo which says "If the test is passed choose an enemy..."

 

So again, other then just saying you dont like the rules, where is your side of the argument. The above is how a Judge in a tourny would review the Rules.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

It doesn't have to say if its implicit.

 

G

[DK1]

It doesn't have to say if its implicit.

 

G

 

So again, you have nothing but "just because" to back it up. Well since you and i are the only two adding to this my vote (which has come up last month in a tournament) is that Khârn does not get to Deny.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Troll .

[DK1]

Troll .

 

Yes you are.