Kol Saresk Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 That just means I didn't recall correctly. ;) Thanks for clarifying though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268540-crusade-era-starships/page/2/#findComment-3268821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 There is the Hrafnkel not sure what Class it would be but it's the Flagship of the Space Wolves during the Heresy/Crusade Era - source is C:SW 5th Ed. and I'm almost certain it's mentioned in Prospero Burns. There is also the Russvangum it's said that only the Hrafnkel boasted more firepower or sheer size and it was many times larger than strike cruisers, dwarfing them <- this is from the Comprehensive History... here on the B&C. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268540-crusade-era-starships/page/2/#findComment-3268825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 It might be mentioned in A Thousand Sons as well as I do recall a Space Wolves ship that had a really hard to pronounce name. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268540-crusade-era-starships/page/2/#findComment-3268829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted December 24, 2012 Author Share Posted December 24, 2012 Can we verify the specific references for Hrafnkel and Russvangum? I would like to see them in context. I also have a revision in my supposition in the last post I made. Vengeful Spirit and Macragge's Honor are NOT Gloriana Class ships if the CV pis are the design drivers in the books. I found these. Conqueror is the ship at the bottom of the page. So this it would seam is roughly what a Gloriana looks like. Makes me wonder what class Vengeful Spirit and Macragge's are. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268540-crusade-era-starships/page/2/#findComment-3268879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 First of all this is great guys - let's keep it up as much as we can! This can become the great depository of the Heresy fleets!!! Now given the multiple sources over the years and GW track record on continuity, I'd say let's focus on the HH books as a primary source of info. The Collected Visions is also a good source but given each age there might be significant inconsistencies... Also I could not confirm the Russvangum... Can someone please provide a source? As for the rest please look below (comments and ammendements are always welcome): I Legion - Dark Angels Invincible Reason Gloriana Legion Flagship Prince of Crows BL book by ADB III Legion - Emperor’s Children Pride of the Emperor ??? Legion Flagship Fulgrim BL book by Graham McNeill Andronicus ??? Strike Cruiser Fulgrim BL book by Graham McNeill IV Legion – Iron Warriors Iron Blood ??? Legion Flagship Angel Exterminatus book by Graham McNeil VI Legion – Space Wolves Hrafnkel ??? Legion Flagship A Thousand Sons BL book by Graham McNeil VII Legion – Imperial Fists Phallanx ??? Legion Flagship Shadows of Treachery BL book by John French VIII Legion – Night Lords Nightfall Gloriana Legion Flagship Prince of Crows BL book by ADB Avenging Shadow Eclipse Cruiser Prince of Crows BL book by ADB IX Legion –Blood Angels Red Tear ??? Legion Flagship (Battle Barge) Fear to Tread book by James Swallow Victus ??? Battle Barge Fear to Tread book by James Swallow Ignis ??? Battleship Fear to Tread book by James Swallow Covenant of Baal ??? Battleship Fear to Tread book by James Swallow Encarnadine ??? Cruiser Fear to Tread book by James Swallow Hermia ??? Cruiser Fear to Tread book by James Swallow Helios ??? Cruiser Fear to Tread book by James Swallow Sable ??? Escort Cruiser Fear to Tread book by James Swallow Paleknight ??? Escort Cruiser Fear to Tread book by James Swallow Numitor ??? Frigate Fear to Tread book by James Swallow Chalice ??? ??? Fear to Tread book by James Swallow Requiem Axona ??? ??? Fear to Tread book by James Swallow Scarlet Liberty ??? ??? Fear to Tread book by James Swallow Blood’s Son ??? ??? Fear to Tread book by James Swallow Nine Crusaders ??? ??? Fear to Tread book by James Swallow X Legion – Iron Hands Fist of Iron ??? Battle Barge Fulgrim book by Graham McNeil The Sisypheum ??? ??? Angel Exterminatus book by Graham McNeil Ferrum ??? mid-sized Strike Cruiser Fulgrim book by Graham McNeil Heart of Gold ??? ??? Fulgrim book by Graham McNeil Medusa’s Glory ??? ??? Fulgrim book by Graham McNeil Iron Dream ??? ??? Fulgrim book by Graham McNeil Armourum Ferrous ??? ??? Fulgrim book by Graham McNeil XII Legion – World Eaters Conqueror Gloriana Legion Flagship Betrayer BL book by ADB XIII Legion – Ultramarines Macragge's Honour ??? Legion Flagship Know no fear BL book by Dan Abnett Ceres Dominus ??? Know no fear BL book by Dan Abnett Praetorian Trust ??? ??? Betrayer BL book by ADB Unbroken Vigil ??? ??? Betrayer BL book by ADB Legendary Son ??? ??? Betrayer BL book by ADB Glory of Fire ??? ??? Betrayer BL book by ADB Nova Warrior ??? ??? Betrayer BL book by ADB Triumph of Espandor ??? ??? Betrayer BL book by ADB Chronicle ??? ??? Betrayer BL book by ADB Armsman ??? Battle Barge Betrayer BL book by ADB XIV Legion – Death Guard Endurance ??? Legion Flagship Flight of the Eisenstein BL book by James Swallow Reaper's Scythe ??? Legion Flagship FWs HH series: Betrayal Indomitable Will ??? ??? Flight of the Eisenstein BL book by James Swallow Barbarus’ Sting ??? ??? Flight of the Eisenstein BL book by James Swallow Lord of Hyrus ??? ??? Flight of the Eisenstein BL book by James Swallow Terminus Est ??? ??? Flight of the Eisenstein BL book by James Swallow Undying ??? ??? Flight of the Eisenstein BL book by James Swallow Spectre of Death ??? ??? Flight of the Eisenstein BL book by James Swallow Eisenstein ??? ??? Flight of the Eisenstein BL book by James Swallow XVI Legion – Sons of Horus Vengeful Spirit ??? Legion Flagship Horus Rising BL book by Dan Abnett XVII Legion – Word Bearers Fidelitas Lex Gloriana Legion Flagship Betrayer BL book by ADB Blessed Lady Abyss ??? Betrayer BL book by ADB Furious Abyss Abyss ??? Battle for the Abyss BL book Graham McNeil Trisagion Abyss ??? Betrayer BL book by ADB Dark Page ??? Cruiser Fear to Tread book by James Swallow XX Legion – Alpha Legion Alpha ??? Battle Barge Legion BL book by Dan Abnett Beta ??? Battle Barge Legion BL book by Dan Abnett Gamma ??? ??? The Serpent Beneath BL book (from “The Primarchs” Anthology) by Rob Sanders Phi ??? ??? The Serpent Beneath BL book (from “The Primarchs” Anthology) by Rob Sanders Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268540-crusade-era-starships/page/2/#findComment-3268885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Iron Blood is the Iron Warriors flagship, not Iron Hands and Reaper's Scythe was described as "often" being Mortarion's flagship in HH: Betrayal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268540-crusade-era-starships/page/2/#findComment-3268890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 :cuss I'll fix this ASAP!!! :) EDIT: I'm sure that the class of the Terminus Est is known - I just can't find it... Any ideas? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268540-crusade-era-starships/page/2/#findComment-3268893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 EDIT: I'm sure that the class of the Terminus Est is known - I just can't find it... Any ideas? According to BFG it was the basis of the Despoiler class. I can't tell what class the ship was itself, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268540-crusade-era-starships/page/2/#findComment-3269008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 I can neither confirm nor deny the Russvangum. If it is from Prospero Burns, I don't recall that book very well. On the other hand, I can confirm Hrafnkel with page 471 of A Thousand Sons. Also, I come bearing gifts. These are just ship names from all of the Ultramarines vessels listed in Betrayer. I will list the name and page number for confirmation. Praetorian Trust, page 115 Unbroken Vigil, page 334 Legendary Son, page 334 Glory of Fire, page 334 Nova Warrior, page 339 Triumph of Espandor, page 339 Chronicle, page 340 Armsman, page 344. This one is unique for this list as it was said to be a battle-barge, but no class is given. My next planned stop will be Know No Fear since that list pretty huge. Also, Captain Semper, the Trysagion is supposed to be spelled "Trisagion". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268540-crusade-era-starships/page/2/#findComment-3269071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 That is awesome Kol_Saresk - just awesome! Is there any other details on the ships? Like Class or Type? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268540-crusade-era-starships/page/2/#findComment-3269102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 I'm flitting through Fear to Tread atm, although I have only got to chapter five so far. I'll add more when I get a chance to. Here's the list of ships I've found so far, in order of discovery: IX Legion - Blood Angels - Red Tear Flagship pg53 Fear to Tread III Legion - Emperor's Children - Andronius Flagship pg76 Fear to Tread IX Legion - Blood Angels - Ignis Battleship pg90 Fear to Tread XVII Legion - Word Bearers - Dark Page Cruiser pg91 Fear to Tread IX Legion - Blood Angels - Hermia Cruiser pg105 Fear to Tread Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268540-crusade-era-starships/page/2/#findComment-3269108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 @Captain Semper: Sadly, no. Just the names except for that one ship, the Armsman. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268540-crusade-era-starships/page/2/#findComment-3269111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Here's some more, up to the start of chapter twelve (incidentally this is as far as I have got with FTT so far): IX Legion - Blood Angels - Numitor Frigate pg163 Fear to Tread IX Legion - Blood Angels - Covenant of Baal Battleship pg172 Fear to Tread N/a - The Emperor - Imperator Somnium Flagship/Command Carrier pg188 Fear to Tread (I'd call this a bullseye! I had forgotten this one.) IX Legion - Blood Angels - Victus Battle Barge pg197 Fear to Tread IX Legion - Blood Angels - Helios Cruiser pg199 Fear to Tread IX Legion - Blood Angels - Sable Cruiser pg234 Fear to Tread IX Legion - Blood Angels - Paleknight Cruiser pg234 Fear to Tread IX Legion - Blood Angels - Chalice Unknown class/type pg239 Fear to Tread IX Legion - Blood Angels - Encarnadine Cruiser pg242 Fear to Tread IX Legion - Blood Angels - Nine Crusaders Unknown class/type pg297/298 Fear to Tread IX Legion - Blood Angels - Blood's Son Unknown class/type pg298 Fear to Tread IX Legion - Blood Angels - Scarlet Liberty Unknown class/type pg298 Fear to Tread IX Legion - Blood Angels - Requiem Axona Unknown class/type pg298 Fear to Tread Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268540-crusade-era-starships/page/2/#findComment-3269153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Ok guys,'thanks for that! I have added some BA vessels from Fear to Tread (although I have yet to read it - hahahaha!!!) EDIT: Ninja'd by Olisderan Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268540-crusade-era-starships/page/2/#findComment-3269156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 You missed an Iron Hands vessel from my last post. The Sisypheum. Reference is Angel Exterminatus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268540-crusade-era-starships/page/2/#findComment-3269159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 OK, fixed the Sisypheum and clead up the BAs section... Now how about any First Legion vessels... The Lion novella will probably provide some... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268540-crusade-era-starships/page/2/#findComment-3269180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted December 24, 2012 Author Share Posted December 24, 2012 This is going great guys! Captain Semper Both Terminus Est and Phallanx are suppose to be unique and one of a kind. So it follows that they would be the lead ships of their class. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268540-crusade-era-starships/page/2/#findComment-3269203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 OK, fixed the Sisypheum and clead up the BAs section... Now how about any First Legion vessels... The Lion novella will probably provide some... The Lion and probably Fallen Angels as I recall a space battle in that book. Oh, and what about that short story with Astelan? I believe it was in Tales of Heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268540-crusade-era-starships/page/2/#findComment-3269212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted December 24, 2012 Author Share Posted December 24, 2012 Praetorian Trust is suppose to be Praetorian Truth and is classed as a heavy cruiser several classes lower the the Gloriana class. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268540-crusade-era-starships/page/2/#findComment-3269288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 No it is Praetorian Trust, but no classification was given. Is it possible you are thinking of another ship? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268540-crusade-era-starships/page/2/#findComment-3269297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupcan Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 spear of truth 1st legion battle barge tales of heresy page 275 iron wolf battle barge space wolves tales of heresy pg.79 stormblade space wolf cruiser tales of heresy pg.154 geometric destroyer thousand sons age of darkness pg.205 dedicated wrath battle barge world eaters pg.247 age of darkness industrious world eaters no class given pg.248 age of darkness justified aggressor world eaters no class given pg.248 age of darkness glory of victory iron hands no class given pg.257 age of darkness benthos iron warriors no class given pg.315 age of darkness seraphic vigil dark angels no class given pg.373 age of darkness vehemence strike cruiser dark angels pg.376 age of darkness seventh son destroyer dark angels pg.378 age of darkness Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268540-crusade-era-starships/page/2/#findComment-3269309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 XVII De Profundis Battle Barge The First heretic XVII Orfeo's Lament Light Cruiser The First Heretic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268540-crusade-era-starships/page/2/#findComment-3269325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 This is an awesome resource. I totally just bookmarked it for my own nefarious ends. Quick suggestion though, in terms of making it look neater/more professional/whatever: In the source column, it could be laid out like, as an example: Legion, by Dan Abnett. [black Library] Horus Heresy I: Betrayal, by Alan Bligh. [Forge World] 'The Crimson Fist' - Shadows of Treachery, by John French. [black Library] Novel, anthology and sourcebook names usually get italicised in stuff like this. Short stories and novellas often get apostrophes. Feel free to ignore, natch. It's getting printed out for my office wall, no matter what it looks like. Great resource. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268540-crusade-era-starships/page/2/#findComment-3269340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Sounds like a reasonable suggestion. It's nice to know this will be of use to someone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268540-crusade-era-starships/page/2/#findComment-3269347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted December 24, 2012 Author Share Posted December 24, 2012 No it is Praetorian Trust, but no classification was given. Is it possible you are thinking of another ship? I am still listening to the story but definitely heard Praetorian Truth. it boarded the Conqueror in its death throws. Could have been a different ship I suppose. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268540-crusade-era-starships/page/2/#findComment-3269394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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