Grey Mage Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 So has anyone been using the HH:Betrayal Legion armylists for their forces? Hows that been working out for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I recently got hold of it, and I'm still digesting the book. 20 Man units is a bit much...but it looks like a potentially better way to play a legion than trying with the Chaos Codex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I think the main problem with those list is, that they would only work against other such lists. With a normal 40k list from whatever other codex i don´t wanna play against the Betrayal list, cause they´re in comparision overpowered. So much special equipment and weapons. Most people will only play once against those lists and that´s it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted February 15, 2013 Author Share Posted February 15, 2013 I really dont understand the overpowered comments. Eldar get alot of special equipment and weapons... most people dont seem to see them as a threat anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Overpowered by the meaning of the weapon options. The Volkite weapons for example. Or legion heavy support squads. It´s a big difference if you have 4 heavy bolters or 10. And it´s only a difference of 70 points. Cataphractii Terminator squads. A shooty TDA squad with granade harness and 4+ inv save and combi weapons. And all for less points then a CSM TDA squad with combiweapons and MoT. And i can go on with it. The Betrayal list are made for battles amoung legions. Then they´re on equal terms. But against any other codex you would be in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperorOfMankind Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 It's honestly not so bad, even the developers say the matches aren't really unbalanced, but obviously they were designed with other legions in mind. If it's much of a problem, let your opponents have extra points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I don´t wanna play against the Betrayal list, cause they´re in comparision overpowered. So much special equipment and weapons. Most people will only play once against those lists and that´s it. no. the exact opposite is true: the legion list is underpowered compared to 40k codices. Even the FAQ states this implicitly, as many HH units pay premium prices for certain abilities that just aren't worth it in a 40k environment. firstly, your example of cataphractii terminator squads is off. 5 TDA with 4++ and combi-weapons is 210 in HH, 209 in C:CSM, but remember the cataphractii may not overwatch (S&P) nor deepstrike (unless taken with a praetor and the appropriate battle rite). compare them to justaerin, I dare you, see what you pay for WS5 and stubborn! HH list gets :cussty S5 AP5 volkites, CSM get baleflamers and sonic weapons. win CSM. 10 man heavy/support squads is not overpowered, they just ditch the ablative wounds - it's not like they are cheaper or something. don't get specials/heavies in tacticals in HH. 20 man tacticals? get that in CSM, too (for 20pts less), with MORE options. assault squads for 250/10 (!) compared to 180/10 for raptors? HH gets artillery, 40k gets allies. overall, more options does not equal better. just that HH allows for tons of stuff to be bought (fluffy stuff, because that is the point of this list) doesn't mean that your 130pts sergeant won't die to a bolter round. besides, "I don't wanna play this" arguments are pretty moot. Maybe I don't want to play your CSM because you field stuff other than cultists? Nevertheless (to answer the OP's question), HH is the golden egg of Legion rules. Especially the non-cult legions are much better to repesent with these rules than with the kellydex. plus: it has the first official mechanicum list ever. I just hope as books go on some of the more "chaosy" stuff will find it's way in (obliterators!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperorOfMankind Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 None of my friends have an issue with me playing the HH stuff, they just think it's cool. GW shops aren't gonna let you play instore, and tourneys will have a specific category. So if your friends/gaming club doesn't wanna let you play using the HH lists, you either find new players who are more interested in having some fun, or you persuade them to give it a go, maybe swap lists/armies and see what they say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Where can I find these HH rules ? I dont find the C:csm very interesting. Some of my friends will prob let me use it others will not, I know the game store wont. . I can see ppl's reluctance about playing none codex list, once years ago the eldar player in our group got some none codex eldar army rules that were supposedly approvrd and all that, the army was insanely strong. No one even had a close game against him, it was always just a blow-out with him losing almost no models and his opponent having almost none left. We soon told him he had to use the codex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperorOfMankind Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Forgeworld's Horus heresy book, http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/The_Horus_Heresy/Horus_Heresy_Books/THE_HORUS__HERESY_BOOK_ONE_BETRAYAL.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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