Castellan Michael Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Putting in a forge world order but torn between ordering a Spartan or our one and only Storm Eagle. I have been running mech in 6th to avoid those pesky Heldrakes, and the gain in mobility. So do I go all in and get a spartan, or bring a storm eagle and gain some more anti-air? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272197-spartan-or-storm-eagle/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arez Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 How good are your modding abilities?If they're ok or good then why not get the tank then when you can get a StormRaven and convert it into a Eagle? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272197-spartan-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3319151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Spartan iirc. has the 'melta-proof' rule which means that you don't have to worry so much, plus you can run it through and into heavy units - whilst carrying 10+ guys (iirc. it doesn't have limitations on space where terminators are concerned).That said the Storm Eagle is equally useful... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272197-spartan-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3319152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Well, the spartan needs to pay points for that Ceramite, but yes, it can be melta-proofed. The Spartan is slightly better for truly massive death stars (You can cram 10 Wolf Guard terminators, Logan Grimnar, Njal Stormcaller, and Ulrik in the slayer in there if you like, although why you'd stick every one of the Space Wolves' top command staff apart from the chief Iron Priest in a single tank is beyond me), and has the advantage of packing twice the lascannon firepower. With Armoured Ceramite, It's nigh-unkillable by anything other than Dark Lances, Vindicators, and Death Rays. The Storm Eagle can still carry massive squads (A carrying capacity of 20 is still enough for 15 Blood Claws, a TDA pack leader, and a Wolf Priest), gets skyfire, and packs a TL multi-melta or Typhoon Missile launcher instead of a Heavy Flamer/Bolter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272197-spartan-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3319341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rift Blade Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Storm Eagle is my vote. If you're going through Forge World, may as well coverthe biggest issue Wolves have--Air. WE have LR for tanks. But if you're a tread head go for the Spartan. It looks massive. And converting a Storm Ealge is not that hard. You're main challenge is decenty Missile launchers for the body. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272197-spartan-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3319428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Michael Posted March 4, 2013 Author Share Posted March 4, 2013 Thanks for the feedback, I already have a converted Storm/raven/eagle, I wanted to spend the cash and buy a forge world piece to give the army some bling (local groups a pro FW). With our lack of credible air options, would it be more tactically sound to go with our strength and get a spartan, or bring more air. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272197-spartan-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3320099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I'd personally go for a Spartan because you've already got an Eagle and there's nothing more fun than ramming a fully laden, command heavy (Logan, Arjac + 2 Lords) terminator force straight into your opponents hardest units Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272197-spartan-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3320166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Personally I think that the Spartan is worth its points cost. A land raider with ceramite is a scary proposition (though, of course, chainfists and various other weapons still do pose a threat). And it also gets a significant bump in firepower over a regular land raider. IMO, maxing out the Spartan's transport capacity would generally be a mistake, unless you're playing at really high points values. But that doesn't make the spartan a bad choice. It'd still be a good option even if it only had capacity for 16. On the other hand, I personally suspect that eagles work best when you have enough fliers to be able to confidently dominate the air. Eagles cannot use their Vengeance Launchers when in skyfire mode. If you have a single Eagle, and it spends 2 turns dogfighting before being shot down, it's quite likely to not make back its 300 point cost. But 2 or 3 Eagles? That's 4-6 whirlwinds worth of Vengeance Launcher. I think they'd be more effective in pairs or triplets, if you can fit them into your army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272197-spartan-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3320177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Once I can get the money together, I plan on using a just-under 1,000 points two Storm Eagle unit to get a 15 Blood Claw pack with a WGPL with PFist and a Wolf Priest into position during games after I have the models. Both Storm Eagles will be base, plus TLMM, Two Wing Mounted TLLC, and EA. I don't know much about the Spartan, however, two Fliers with a pair of twin-linked Lascannons each means enemy fliers should not fare well if they can line up good shots on said targets. That said, if the Spartan just fits into your existing force better than what appears to be a second Storm Eagle for you, go for that instead. Changing the entire shape and loadout for your Great Company in order to add a brand new pack and transport seems to me like you're in the two steps forward, one step back area at best. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272197-spartan-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3320360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Michael Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 I am sure lots of my fellow Vlka Fenryka can relate...but my biggest bane are Heldrakes. I do not like taking an Aegis line, especially when it only provides cover (and against 3 Heldrakes good luck with that). I left footslogging in the dust and had to go back to our ole' rhino rush to cope with the current meta. Been playing for a long time, started wolves in second edition. I play wolves because they fit me as a person, I do not play an army to just win games. but it sure does feel like we are getting abused by the current rules as of late. All I have to say is I hope our 6th edition dex is worth it in the end Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272197-spartan-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3320583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Michael Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 I'd personally go for a Spartan because you've already got an Eagle and there's nothing more fun than ramming a fully laden, command heavy (Logan, Arjac + 2 Lords) terminator force straight into your opponents hardest units Totally agree about that ramming, it never gets boring does it! With the storm eagle it never seems as fun, especially when an opponent has brought his Proteus along to nerf your reserves rolls. I think I am going to go with the spartan after all. Thanks Russ Brother 92! "For Russ and the Allfather" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272197-spartan-or-storm-eagle/#findComment-3320586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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