malika666 Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 http://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/Product/DefaultBL/xlarge/Angron.jpg http://www.blacklibrary.com/horus-heresy/angron-ebook.html This exclusive eBook collection contains three seminal tales of the World Eaters and their gene-sire, by Aaron Dembski-Bowden and Matthew Farrer. Alongside the classic 'After Desh'ea', the audio drama 'Butcher's Nails' is presented for the first time in prose rather than script format. Finally, the brand new micro-short story 'Lord of the Red Sands' gives a glimpse of the past, along with a vision of Angron's own hopes for revenge and redemption in an uncertain future. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273425-angron/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Kratos is coming to 40k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273425-angron/#findComment-3338399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagbenektelse Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Lord of the red sands was pretty awesome Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273425-angron/#findComment-3338641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artein Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 I won't pay €5.99 just for one new short story. Sorry ADB. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273425-angron/#findComment-3338849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 I won't pay €5.99 just for one new short story. Sorry ADB. (No royalties, anyway.) Joking aside, I don't think Black Library (or anyone else) expects you to. Angron is for people who wanted After Desh'ea and The Butcher's Nails in text (as is so often demanded/complained about/begged for), rather than audio. 'Lord of the Red Sands' is just a little extra. It's a microshort - I didn't know it was going in Angron, but I'm glad it saw the light of day, nevertheless. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273425-angron/#findComment-3338881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Lord of the Red Sands was awesome, indeed. Angron is a bit of an idiot (exaggerating) but one with a point. Betrayer has already shown that due to whatever reason (mostly like the butcher's nails) Angron is incapable of a deeper line of reasoning. He is depicted as not being the total mindless battle psychopath that we have known. He fights for freedom. More importantly he fights for self-determination. In the Hersey he fights for vengeance not for Horus. He LOATHES the Emperor because the Emperor represents authority and oppression. He is not to fond of space marines because they were born better. They were the psychically gifted ones selected to be given greater gifts to the point were killing is easy. They were fighting for authority and now are fighting for conquest. Neither of which pleases Angron. Nevertheless, the Conflict allows him to achieve his true motivation--kill the Emperor or be killed by him and die Free. Either way he is fighting for what he believes in. More than many traitors can say. That said he is not altruistic. I don't think he cares about the civilizations under the yoke of oppression. I don't see him fighting against Horus after the Hersey (should it have been successful.) His beef with the Emperor is two fold. One for preventing him from being able to die free and for being the perceptible tyrant. If it wasn't for the former, I could see him being a rogue force and attacking both Horus and the Emperor for being Tyrants. Give me Liberty or Give me Death works in M3 but not M30 where there are insane threats to your very survival. (that's why he is a bit of an idiot IMO) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273425-angron/#findComment-3338938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 I welcome this book as I am not a fan of the audio books Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273425-angron/#findComment-3338950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 I welcome this book as I am not a fan of the audio books I've only enjoyed one audio drama. Warmaster. Super Epic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273425-angron/#findComment-3338952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted March 30, 2013 Author Share Posted March 30, 2013 Warmaster ruled! I just noticed something. At first I was slightly annoyed by all these short stories, audiobooks and what not. But lately I'm getting more and more intrigued by them, even more so than the bigger novels. The main reason I think is that these smaller publications all give you tiny extra insights on the characters and events. They seem to make the bigger novels more...complete. I really loved Betrayer for example, but couldn't help but simply view Angron as some very dysfunctional child with some serious issues. What else could you expect though, he is a totally traumatized figure, and then multiply that into a Primarch's psyche. However, Lord of the Red Sands really added an extra layer to Angron as a character, making his fall ever more tragic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273425-angron/#findComment-3338992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
godking Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Lord of the Red Sands was awesome, indeed. Angron is a bit of an idiot (exaggerating) but one with a point. Betrayer has already shown that due to whatever reason (mostly like the butcher's nails) Angron is incapable of a deeper line of reasoning. He is depicted as not being the total mindless battle psychopath that we have known. He fights for freedom. More importantly he fights for self-determination. In the Hersey he fights for vengeance not for Horus. He LOATHES the Emperor because the Emperor represents authority and oppression. He is not to fond of space marines because they were born better. They were the psychically gifted ones selected to be given greater gifts to the point were killing is easy. They were fighting for authority and now are fighting for conquest. Neither of which pleases Angron. Nevertheless, the Conflict allows him to achieve his true motivation--kill the Emperor or be killed by him and die Free. Either way he is fighting for what he believes in. More than many traitors can say. That said he is not altruistic. I don't think he cares about the civilizations under the yoke of oppression. I don't see him fighting against Horus after the Hersey (should it have been successful.) His beef with the Emperor is two fold. One for preventing him from being able to die free and for being the perceptible tyrant. If it wasn't for the former, I could see him being a rogue force and attacking both Horus and the Emperor for being Tyrants. Give me Liberty or Give me Death works in M3 but not M30 where there are insane threats to your very survival. (that's why he is a bit of an idiot IMO) Angron is not incapable of deeper the Butchers nails make deeper reasoning reasoning for an extended period of time for him impossible.Angron has been able to verbally get the better of Lorgar Russ (yes i know that Russ proved his point but Angron did as well with his observation about Russ) and Guilliman when the Nails allowed it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273425-angron/#findComment-3339029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 You're right. But as time goes on those rare moments of clarity are replaced by Really Angry Angron. RAA! I think the point is we shouldn't see Angron as some paragon of freedom or some kind of champion fighting against tyranny. But I like that he hates tyranny and oppression. But I feel in the galaxy he lives in Authority is the only thing keeping the human race enduring. Not black and white this Angron is. But in lovely shades of grey. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273425-angron/#findComment-3339367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhta Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 You're right. But as time goes on those rare moments of clarity are replaced by Really Angry Angron. RAA! I think the point is we shouldn't see Angron as some paragon of freedom or some kind of champion fighting against tyranny. But I like that he hates tyranny and oppression. But I feel in the galaxy he lives in Authority is the only thing keeping the human race enduring. Not black and white this Angron is. But in lovely shades of grey. but in a way i can see angron be the only want who see that a tyrant who kept you alive is still a tyrant, i know that he is a tool for someone and is really angry by that, also he wants death, that meant that now that he is a deamon primarch he will fighting for pretty much all eternity.....wow Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273425-angron/#findComment-3339836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
randian Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Assuming the Nails no longer function as they did (Khorne might see Angron's pain as amusing and not release Angron from the torture of the Nails), Angron no longer wants death, only skulls. Courtesy of being corrupted by Chaos, that's a huge difference from his mortal self, where he was evil but not actively malignant. Angron has arguably traded one tyrant for another, one he can't (unlike the first) escape and (like the first) didn't choose. Chaos has so warped (so to speak) his perspective that I'm sure he stopped caring about that the moment he ascended. Nuceria is the moment that the World Eaters were actually corrupted by Chaos. They were irretrievably insane before then, but were lucid and rational in their off hours. Now they're going to compound their error of trying to connect with Angron via taking the nails, by going Chaos to try and further connect with him (though he cares even less about them now than he did as a mortal). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273425-angron/#findComment-3340444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goosey_j Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 In the space of two shorts and one novel, Angron went from being arguably the least interesting traitor Primarchs to one of the most interesting. I love how much Farrer and especially ADB have expanded on this character and really explored just how deeply the Emperor wounded him on their first ever encounter. Rather than just being ANGRY MAN he's now somewhat of an honourable yet tortured soul that just longs to die and be free of his existence. Which is a ****ing awesome way to run with the character. Can't wait to see just how much he's changed as a result of his ascension. How much of his own personality has been eroded away by Khorne, I wonder. In other news, Mortarion really needs some similar treatment to Angron. It seems that he and Angron actually have very similar reasons for going over to Horus, though Angron seems to have a lot less love for his brother. Or anyone else in his family. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273425-angron/#findComment-3355690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Out of curiosity, what does it mean by "microshort"? Is it like a five-page schpiel? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273425-angron/#findComment-3355876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratboy1664 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Out of curiosity, what does it mean by "microshort"? Is it like a five-page schpiel? Nope it's a new men's fashion item that only just covers your arse Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273425-angron/#findComment-3356051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Out of curiosity, what does it mean by "microshort"? Is it like a five-page schpiel? Nope it's a new men's fashion item that only just covers your arse I thought it was just having a belt... ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273425-angron/#findComment-3356056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Out of curiosity, what does it mean by "microshort"? Is it like a five-page schpiel?Nope it's a new men's fashion item that only just covers your arse I was actually being serious. I know it's a rarity but when it happens, it happens. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273425-angron/#findComment-3356075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Immortals Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I won't pay €5.99 just for one new short story. Sorry ADB. (No royalties, anyway.) Joking aside, I don't think Black Library (or anyone else) expects you to. Angron is for people who wanted After Desh'ea and The Butcher's Nails in text (as is so often demanded/complained about/begged for), rather than audio. 'Lord of the Red Sands' is just a little extra. It's a microshort - I didn't know it was going in Angron, but I'm glad it saw the light of day, nevertheless. Wow, cool :) I much prefer the text versions to the audiodramas, being ancient and all ;) The extra short is a nice bonus and highly welcome :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273425-angron/#findComment-3356097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I've just finished it. Appreciated the opportunity to access the audio stories via texts and agree that Lord of the Red Sands is a cracking addition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273425-angron/#findComment-3356181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter the Hermit Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Just want to congratulate the BL for using a new term ("Micro short story")...Cheers, also try with the pop up next time.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273425-angron/#findComment-3356246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Just want to congratulate the BL for using a new term ("Micro short story")...Cheers, also try with the pop up next time.... They are not using a new term. It goes back until at least 1996 when Micro Fiction was published. It's also known as Flash Fiction, which goes back to 1992, and sudden fiction, micro-story, short short and postcard fiction. However, the concept has roots that go back to Aesop's Fables. Do try and keep up Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273425-angron/#findComment-3356265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artein Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Out of curiosity, what does it mean by "microshort"? Is it like a five-page schpiel? I believe it's 1000-1500 words or something like that. Not sure how many pages it is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273425-angron/#findComment-3356300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Sorry, I can't take non dreadlocked bicepts flexing Angron seriously. Why couldn't they have used the image from Butcher's Nails as the cover art? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273425-angron/#findComment-3357313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Sorry, I can't take non dreadlocked bicepts flexing Angron seriously. Why couldn't they have used the image from Butcher's Nails as the cover art? It might be a wild shot in the dark but because the Butcher's Nails cover was made a CD case, not a book cover, Age of Darkness' cover was, and it'd be more convenient and cheaper to recycle than make a new picture. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273425-angron/#findComment-3357326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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