Kalron Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 I am going to start a Pre-Heresy army. I am thinking a Death Guard army. But where do I start with the army? Should I get the book before I purchase anything? Or can I assume that the core of the Legion list will be with tactical squads of ten? But to my knowledge, the tactical squads that Forgeworld sells are the entire squad itself, not three smaller ones. What should I do about this? My plan on the army was to buy the Legion Praetors for my HQ choices and maybe spice them up. Especially the power-armored one, which will be Captain Nathaniel Garro of the 7th company. Also, to my knowledge, he carries a two handed power-greatsword. I was planning on buying the MKIV assault weapons kit and converting the heavy chainblade into said power-greatsword. For troops, I would get the Tactical squad set with 30 Legionarries. I don't know if I should leave them with bolters or if I should add plasma guns, melta-guns, and heavy bolters like in the regular rules, you, great warriors, shall decide their weapons! I also planned on getting the Deathshroud Terminator squad, and the Death Guard Contemptor Dreadnought, but what weapons should he have? I was thinking dual wielding assault cannons, but figured that might be useless when I use it outside of the Horus Heresy rules. Should I just go with an autocannon and a close combat arm? Food for thought! The problem is, I can see the price skyrocketing by just getting those four things with their respective kits. I would also be using the MKIV assault weapons kit for the sergeants of the squads. Thank you for taking the time to read and/please respond! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277699-horus-heresy-army-where-do-i-start/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 I'd say start with the book and the 30 man tactical squad bundle and one of the hq selections. That way you have the minimum to start right away 1hq and 2 15 man tactical squads Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277699-horus-heresy-army-where-do-i-start/#findComment-3407270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coopervisor Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 If you want to use your troops as both 30k and 40k, then you can equip them as per 40k codex and then for 30k take the Rite of War which allows veteran tac squads as troops in a legion list. While expensive points wise, it's a good way to combine both early on. I'd say that a twin kheres armed contemptor also works well in both 30k and 40k. That many rending shots on a mobile platform is always good. I've used two in 40k lists, with the cyclone launcher as well. Only issue is the 30k version gets a havoc launcher which isn't as good so you may want to magnetise that if you go that route. As said though, I'd recommend getting the book first. Especially if you're going Death Guard as there is lots of fluff, background and pictures for that legion as well as the rules you'll need. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277699-horus-heresy-army-where-do-i-start/#findComment-3407293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalron Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share Posted July 5, 2013 The reason I ask if I should get the book first is because the rules are different, of course. But my problem with getting if first is the shipping is ridiculous, for me anyway. I have read up on the fluff for Death Guard, that's why I chose them. I love the idea of just throwing men at an enemy. Doesn't explain why I play Protoss in SCII... but you know. If it's a necessity to get the book first, I'll do that and then form my list. But doing that is awkward for me lol, since I've never really done that before. And I assume that you can have up to 30 legionaries in one tactical squad? And if I do get it all at once, which is a possibility still, which special weapons do you guys recommend? Should I get a devastator equivalent squad along with it? I really like the autocannons, are those good to put in with a five man heavy support squad? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277699-horus-heresy-army-where-do-i-start/#findComment-3407431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Well what could do is get the book and a small starting army, like the tactical bundle and say, a praetor. Short term, it's like £260 but IIRC, doesn't Forgeworld give a discount on shipping after a certain price range is met? Either way, short term the shipping would be cheaper with a bundle rather than two separate purchases. An idea? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277699-horus-heresy-army-where-do-i-start/#findComment-3407467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalron Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share Posted July 5, 2013 What do you mean IIRC and short-term shipping? I understand the army part is a great idea with the book. And to my knowledge they give free shipping and an upgrade to their express service after 250 GBP, which is not that hard to meet >.< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277699-horus-heresy-army-where-do-i-start/#findComment-3407469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 IIRC = If I Recall Correctly, as for the shipping, there might be a shipping cap after a certain value is met. Basically, the more you get at once, makes the shipping better value. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277699-horus-heresy-army-where-do-i-start/#findComment-3407478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 IIRC=If I Recall Correctly. By short term I meant that if you did it as a single purchase, it would be pretty expensive at GBP£260. But at the same time, if you do say order the book on one order, you have GBP£70 + the shipping, and then say you do the squad bundle and a preator, that would be GBP£190 + shipping. Over the two orders you pay GBP£260 + two times the shipping. So I was just suggesting that instead of making two purchases and actually spending more money, maybe just wait a bit longer, pay the GPB£260 and no shipping. Just a suggestion was all. Coopervisor gave some suggestions for upgrades to do for the squad, if you want, maybe wait for some more suggestions and then buy a couple of upgrade packs to go with the order. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277699-horus-heresy-army-where-do-i-start/#findComment-3407479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalron Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share Posted July 5, 2013 That was the plan man! But yeah, I am going to get the book with the order. I know that. And then I'll assemble the soldiers accordingly. Would you say that it's better to leave the tactical squads with plain old bolters and have specialty squads instead of making them all around. Because I know you can get a huge volley of bolter fire in this rulebook, I just don't know how many shots. It's similar to the Eldar's Firestorm, I believe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277699-horus-heresy-army-where-do-i-start/#findComment-3407493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 That was the plan man! But yeah, I am going to get the book with the order. I know that. And then I'll assemble the soldiers accordingly. Would you say that it's better to leave the tactical squads with plain old bolters and have specialty squads instead of making them all around. Because I know you can get a huge volley of bolter fire in this rulebook, I just don't know how many shots. It's similar to the Eldar's Firestorm, I believe. (I doubt I'm breaking any rules doing so here, let me know if I'm wrong...) 40k tac squads : 5 to 10, 1 special, 1 heavy, sergeant has more options 30k tac squads : 10 to 20, no special, no heavy, sergeant has more options I guess that should answer your question... :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277699-horus-heresy-army-where-do-i-start/#findComment-3407498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalron Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share Posted July 6, 2013 I think in 40k you can have one special weapon, such as a plasma gun, for every five soldiers. I don't know. I don't have the Space Marine codex. Thanks though! I'll hold off on the special weapons. Thank you for the help! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277699-horus-heresy-army-where-do-i-start/#findComment-3407502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 That was the plan man! But yeah, I am going to get the book with the order. I know that. And then I'll assemble the soldiers accordingly. Would you say that it's better to leave the tactical squads with plain old bolters and have specialty squads instead of making them all around. Because I know you can get a huge volley of bolter fire in this rulebook, I just don't know how many shots. It's similar to the Eldar's Firestorm, I believe. (I doubt I'm breaking any rules doing so here, let me know if I'm wrong...) 40k tac squads : 5 to 10, 1 special, 1 heavy, sergeant has more options 30k tac squads : 10 to 20, no special, no heavy, sergeant has more options I guess that should answer your question... You're being obscure enough :) Basic Tac Squads, which is just Boltery Death really (though you can add some close combat with chainswords for all!), then you've got Support Tactical Squads which do come with Special Weapons (all have to be the same IIRC) but don't count towards your compulsory troops choice. Assault Marines are also Troops in this set of rules. So my suggestions would be the rulebook, Praetor, Power Weapons Pack (lots of lovely kit in here for all sorts, including your Praetor), Tactical bundle and one or two Special Weapons sets of your choice, giving you two Tactical Squads and one or two Support Squads to kit as you see fit. Heresy armies are not cheap, but they are pretty, and at least you've got the ruleset you'll be working with in the end, I kinda need to wait for the Wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277699-horus-heresy-army-where-do-i-start/#findComment-3407508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalron Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share Posted July 6, 2013 Lol I'm a Space Wolves player but I don't like their part in the heresy. They do nothing significant other than break the Thousand Sons. I chose Death Guard because of their role. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277699-horus-heresy-army-where-do-i-start/#findComment-3407568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 I'm with these guys - going World Eaters for pre-heresy (plus blue/white contrasts with grey better than the others) - the initial cost is a lot (hell to get Mortarion you're dropping 50 quid plus some Deathshroud Termies which'll get you near if not past 100 quid) - but you can easily use them for 40k and so where your 40k stuff might not be usable for 30k you can guarantee that your 30k stuff (barring Primarchs) will be usable for 40k :) Rulebook is a MUST for planning things out, you'll be able to pick the stuff you like the sound of AND whether you think it will work - the stuff that's come out recently like the Tartaros sets and triplet of Contemptors is a good way to save a bit of money in the long run. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277699-horus-heresy-army-where-do-i-start/#findComment-3408369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 I agree with the rulebook I started my w/e before mine arrived, a 20x MKIII squad of boarding marines is a bit overkill now I'm planning slowly Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277699-horus-heresy-army-where-do-i-start/#findComment-3408436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
franzdietrich Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Bit off-topic but does anyone know when/if the Mortarion figure releases? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277699-horus-heresy-army-where-do-i-start/#findComment-3408874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Ferrus Manus is definitely next, then most likely is Horus (as hinted by Simon Egan in his Fulgrim vid), so UK Gamesday '14 for Mortarion would be the earliest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277699-horus-heresy-army-where-do-i-start/#findComment-3409863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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