elphilo Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Our flyers aren't as bad anymore with some of the newest flyers though, they can operate reasonably effectively against the Tau flyers and perhaps the Eldar flyers although their cost is still unfortunate.Going to be honest here. I'd rather have the eldar flyer with its 2 bright lances and pulse laser (4 S8 shots total) for 20 points cheaper than our Nelephim. Even though it has less armor with vector dancer you never have to leave your deployment zone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facmanpob Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Our flyers aren't as bad anymore with some of the newest flyers though, they can operate reasonably effectively against the Tau flyers and perhaps the Eldar flyers although their cost is still unfortunate.Going to be honest here. I'd rather have the eldar flyer with its 2 bright lances and pulse laser (4 S8 shots total) for 20 points cheaper than our Nelephim. Even though it has less armor with vector dancer you never have to leave your deployment zone I'd rather have the Tau Sun Shark bomber. When you take into account the networked markerlight and Interceptor drones, it's like a flying quad gun which can put down a Whirlwind large blast template every turn......oh and its cheaper than the Neph! I can honestly say that imho Dark Angels anti-air is best done by allies or not at all..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elphilo Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Our flyers aren't as bad anymore with some of the newest flyers though, they can operate reasonably effectively against the Tau flyers and perhaps the Eldar flyers although their cost is still unfortunate.Going to be honest here. I'd rather have the eldar flyer with its 2 bright lances and pulse laser (4 S8 shots total) for 20 points cheaper than our Nelephim. Even though it has less armor with vector dancer you never have to leave your deployment zone I'd rather have the Tau Sun Shark bomber. When you take into account the networked markerlight and Interceptor drones, it's like a flying quad gun which can put down a Whirlwind large blast template every turn......oh and its cheaper than the Neph! I can honestly say that imho Dark Angels anti-air is best done by allies or not at all..... Ha! I didn't even think of the Tau flyer, another reason ours is a bad take And I agree. You want AA? Take some IG allies and get 3 Vendettas in a squadron. Enjoy that till their new codex comes out and we'll reconvene on what's best to take Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisuzume Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Our flyers aren't as bad anymore with some of the newest flyers though, they can operate reasonably effectively against the Tau flyers and perhaps the Eldar flyers although their cost is still unfortunate.Going to be honest here. I'd rather have the eldar flyer with its 2 bright lances and pulse laser (4 S8 shots total) for 20 points cheaper than our Nelephim. Even though it has less armor with vector dancer you never have to leave your deployment zone I'd rather have the Tau Sun Shark bomber. When you take into account the networked markerlight and Interceptor drones, it's like a flying quad gun which can put down a Whirlwind large blast template every turn......oh and its cheaper than the Neph! I can honestly say that imho Dark Angels anti-air is best done by allies or not at all..... Ha! I didn't even think of the Tau flyer, another reason ours is a bad take And I agree. You want AA? Take some IG allies and get 3 Vendettas in a squadron. Enjoy that till their new codex comes out and we'll reconvene on what's best to take Mortis-Pattern Dreadnoughts, perhaps? Big Approved for 40k stamp, and no requirement for allies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elphilo Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Our flyers aren't as bad anymore with some of the newest flyers though, they can operate reasonably effectively against the Tau flyers and perhaps the Eldar flyers although their cost is still unfortunate.Going to be honest here. I'd rather have the eldar flyer with its 2 bright lances and pulse laser (4 S8 shots total) for 20 points cheaper than our Nelephim. Even though it has less armor with vector dancer you never have to leave your deployment zone I'd rather have the Tau Sun Shark bomber. When you take into account the networked markerlight and Interceptor drones, it's like a flying quad gun which can put down a Whirlwind large blast template every turn......oh and its cheaper than the Neph! I can honestly say that imho Dark Angels anti-air is best done by allies or not at all..... Ha! I didn't even think of the Tau flyer, another reason ours is a bad take And I agree. You want AA? Take some IG allies and get 3 Vendettas in a squadron. Enjoy that till their new codex comes out and we'll reconvene on what's best to take Mortis-Pattern Dreadnoughts, perhaps? Big Approved for 40k stamp, and no requirement for allies. Forge World isn't looked too kindly upon in my parts unfortunately :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisuzume Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Our flyers aren't as bad anymore with some of the newest flyers though, they can operate reasonably effectively against the Tau flyers and perhaps the Eldar flyers although their cost is still unfortunate.Going to be honest here. I'd rather have the eldar flyer with its 2 bright lances and pulse laser (4 S8 shots total) for 20 points cheaper than our Nelephim. Even though it has less armor with vector dancer you never have to leave your deployment zone I'd rather have the Tau Sun Shark bomber. When you take into account the networked markerlight and Interceptor drones, it's like a flying quad gun which can put down a Whirlwind large blast template every turn......oh and its cheaper than the Neph! I can honestly say that imho Dark Angels anti-air is best done by allies or not at all..... Ha! I didn't even think of the Tau flyer, another reason ours is a bad take And I agree. You want AA? Take some IG allies and get 3 Vendettas in a squadron. Enjoy that till their new codex comes out and we'll reconvene on what's best to take Mortis-Pattern Dreadnoughts, perhaps? Big Approved for 40k stamp, and no requirement for allies. Forge World isn't looked too kindly upon in my parts unfortunately Remember, brother, there's a reason those books weigh 1-2kg or so, if you get my meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Agreed... And time to end the quote hole before someone falls in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRSFACE Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I had an idea for what to take as anti-air: Punch your opponent in the face for being a jerk and playing a totally unfun list to even play against. It's worked well for me so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facmanpob Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I had an idea for what to take as anti-air: Punch your opponent in the face for being a jerk and playing a totally unfun list to even play against. It's worked well for me so far. Or use a Dreadsock...... punching can hurt the knuckles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Gentlemen, back on topic please... Also I need to remind that this is a family friendly forum, so any suggestions of violence just because a toy soldier game, even said as a jest, should stay out of the door, so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facmanpob Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Sorry :tu: Anyway back on topic, rumour has it that the new C:SM AA tank has Skyfire, but not Interceptor, so that it will only be shooting snap-shots at ground targets. Admittedly, it'll be relatively cheap (not much more than a Whirlwind I believe), but I'm wondering if that will limit it's use in an allied detachment. A Storm Talon will not cost too much more, and is dual role.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Statement retracted. Learn something new every day... Now I am good til December or so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRSFACE Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Sorry Anyway back on topic, rumour has it that the new C:SM AA tank has Skyfire, but not Interceptor, so that it will only be shooting snap-shots at ground targets. Admittedly, it'll be relatively cheap (not much more than a Whirlwind I believe), but I'm wondering if that will limit it's use in an allied detachment. A Storm Talon will not cost too much more, and is dual role.... I wonder if it'll have transport capacity and will functionally serve as a Razorback with a similar point cost with one with an upgraded gun (so around 75). That would make it pretty cool, in my book. Wouldn't matter too much if it could only snapfire at ground targets then as you basically only get to do that with tanks after moving them to begin with, and then you'd have the squad inside to actually do the damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Res Ipsa Loquitur Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 That rumoured AA tank is going to have to compete against Whirlwind Hyperios', so it either better be much better than it was just made to sound or be a Dedicated Transport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 I dont think it'll be a transport. The Stabilizer legs tend to make me think it's intended to be stationary.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Res Ipsa Loquitur Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Then I don't see why anyone would take it over the WW Hyperios, personally. Unless it has Predator-type AV. That might do it, though lack of Interceptor would still grate. There's a reason no-one takes Hydras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retaliation Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Then I don't see why anyone would take it over the WW Hyperios, personally. Unless it has Predator-type AV. That might do it, though lack of Interceptor would still grate. There's a reason no-one takes Hydras. It has 2 heavy 4 autocannons with split fire at BS4 (BS 1 vs non skimmer/flyers). The chassis is 12/12/10 (so vector strikes aren't as threatening). Most importantly however it doesn't compete with the similar leman russ exterminator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elphilo Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Then I don't see why anyone would take it over the WW Hyperios, personally. Unless it has Predator-type AV. That might do it, though lack of Interceptor would still grate. There's a reason no-one takes Hydras. Because not everyone can use Forge World :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarSpirit Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 If you want to stay pure DW/RW but feels like cheating a bit, do like me, a 5 termie squad with 4 cyclone launchers counting as dev squad with 4 launchers and flak + argis with quad gun or lascannon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Res Ipsa Loquitur Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Then I don't see why anyone would take it over the WW Hyperios, personally. Unless it has Predator-type AV. That might do it, though lack of Interceptor would still grate. There's a reason no-one takes Hydras. It has 2 heavy 4 autocannons with split fire at BS4 (BS 1 vs non skimmer/flyers). The chassis is 12/12/10 (so vector strikes aren't as threatening). Most importantly however it doesn't compete with the similar leman russ exterminator. Eh. So it's pretty damn good AA, total waste of points if your opponent doesn't have any airpower. Hyperios still seems like a better choice to me, unless you're one of those unfortunates who aren't 'allowed' to take FW bits and/or bobs. Not as good AA, but much better flexibility. Heavy 1 is a shame, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRSFACE Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Eh. So it's pretty damn good AA, total waste of points if your opponent doesn't have any airpower. First, I can't seem to get quotes to behave. Oh well. Second, if you're running against hyper competitive "GATTA GO FAST WIN NOW" types, it's pretty safe to assume they've got air power, unless there are a large number of people who run Tau in the local scene. For casual games, yeah, taking it might be a 'waste' I guess. Then again, if a guy was playing a casual IG list and ran into a guy playing Nurgle Daemons or Iyanden Ghost Warriors, he might run into a situation where he literally can't do damage to anything, so, I guess that just comes with the territory of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman2980 Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 I think that if a person had to be all DW someone could try running two classic LRs. It's expensive I know but they wouldn't be only for AA. A person could use them to carry five man termie assault squads to their destination. Especially since you'll be firing the weapons as snap shots to start you could run the Land Raiders around moving 12" and shooting at whatever fliers show themselves. The biggest disadvantage here obviously being it's a big points sink to buy the termies and LRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Res Ipsa Loquitur Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 So I just noticed that Storm Eagles are a FA choice for Dark Angels... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aradiel Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 considering they are FW, its the same situation as the hyperios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 The fortress does work well... Killed a hellchicken and the tower concealed a command squad long enough to pull in a Vendetta squadron to drop off vets and the command squad in the tower popped out and melta gunned them both down.... Good day.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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