Blackadder Posted December 13, 2013 Author Share Posted December 13, 2013 Apoc Rocket Pods Two or Three? Its the weekend again, Tempus fugit Before I realized it I had crafted an update not realizing that everyone will be away or otherwise occupied in short too busy to respond to my plebeian thread. But forge ahead I must now the the die is cast. I have succeeded in making the four bare bones rocket pods and situated them on the carapace for review and I think that three may be necessary after all. just for the sake of maximizing fire power and aesthetic appeal http://i.imgur.com/nCfnjKT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/nCfnjKTl.jpg Anyone around during the weekly hiatus may want to weigh in on the path to go? http://i.imgur.com/iZchJgA.jpg http://i.imgur.com/iZchJgAl.jpg This last post shows the left pod in the stowed position which appeals to my sense of balance. the center pod will not be retractable but will rotate as do the wing pods. an ominous triple threat to be sure. http://i.imgur.com/DRCou2Q.jpg http://i.imgur.com/DRCou2Ql.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 Here we see the evolution of this rocket firing system From the original FW design to the latest version granted my concept art(?) leaves much to be desired but I don't want to waste a lot of time on preproduction drawings as I tend to get too involved with the imagined finished product picture to the exclusion of the actual building; witness my preconstruction drawings of my Jaeger Titan Hunter which took weeks to produce. http://i.imgur.com/l0jFIkx.jpg http://i.imgur.com/l0jFIkxl.jpg No, better to do quick sketches and better put the time to cutting plastic. http://i.imgur.com/LJx5cTw.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LJx5cTwl.jpg Anyway here are the drawings as it stands at the moment: With the first picture being the original epic Reaver titan and my original rocket array thoughts on the array showing a non rotating forward firing fixed battery on either side of the main carapace but still having the capability of ballistic launching. http://i.imgur.com/TmZkLQr.jpg http://i.imgur.com/TmZkLQrl.jpg The most recent incarnation is the center battery being capable of forward firing the top two rows of rockets (9) fixed forward-line of sight in the stowed condition but also being able to firing all three rows of missiles in a ballistic trajectory. http://i.imgur.com/vFXxign.jpg http://i.imgur.com/vFXxignl.jpg The two wing rocket pods stowed until the situation warrants their deployment whereupon they elevate, have the capability to rotate 360° as required, and fire in a ballistic trajectory; in all a grand total 39 missiles 8 of which can also be fired line of sight. Whew! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Really impressive work here :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted December 16, 2013 Author Share Posted December 16, 2013 A Tale of Six Apoc Pods: No much to show for the weekends work but there a six basic Apoc launchers now http://i.imgur.com/GiLyXdt.jpg http://i.imgur.com/GiLyXdtl.jpg and all six have the lower angled skirt armour installed. http://i.imgur.com/T7ALi4D.jpg http://i.imgur.com/T7ALi4Dl.jpg For what its worth I did watch Pacific Rim this weekend, there's a couple of hours I won't get back..................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted December 17, 2013 Author Share Posted December 17, 2013 Apoc Pod Prototype: Now that the basic missile array is complete its time to add the armour and detail. I chose 2,0 MM for the thickness of the plating but used 1,0 MM styrene for the sides as 1,0 MM easier to work with. I used 2,0 MM styrene for the top plate as all that need be done is dressing the edges at about 60°. As usual there is a lot more detail on even such a simple construct than that which meets the casual glance. This is the true beauty of any FW model and the lack of which leaves the average scratch build bland in comparison regardless how many skulls and aquilae be it festooned. In the image below I try to capture that detail and still have the ability to have the pod rotate when finished. The recess on the underside (left) will house the elevating and rotating mechanism. The component at the right show the layered 1,0 MM side armour which the 2,0 MM top panel in the background. http://i.imgur.com/65blUsJ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/65blUsJl.jpg This image below shows the front end view of the pod which may need added thickness to the armour; I haven't decided as yet. The small gray nurdle seated on the yet to be attached top panel is one of the original FW rocket nose cones supplied with the Mars APOC rocket pod to demonstrate that my Lucius rocket arrays are sufficiently robust to launch comparable sized missiles. http://i.imgur.com/CDNXqBq.jpg http://i.imgur.com/CDNXqBql.jpg The top panel in place and I'm thinking another half millimeter of styrene thickness is in order. http://i.imgur.com/9d0iVMU.jpg http://i.imgur.com/9d0iVMUl.jpg Finally the side view showing the over extended front overhang that will be beveled about 43° undercut above the rocket nose cones and the greatly over extended rear of the pod because I haven't yet decided how long the pod needs to be................ http://i.imgur.com/eyZeVc5.jpg http://i.imgur.com/eyZeVc5l.jpg in relation to the yet to be detailed carapace. A reference shot of the FW rocket array: http://i.imgur.com/7cSztnu.jpg To show where I am heading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionofjudah Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Headed to greatness Blackadder...oh wait, yer already a Styrene prodigy! :) Love the Lucius pattern better than Mars by far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giarc Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Cant wait to see the end product of this. I have wanted a Lucius Patter Reaver ever since I bought the war hound! I think they look much better then the Mars pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 That's why I'm posting this, a step by step guide to Lucius loveliness................. Repetition: I enjoy scratch building, the first piece you make is always an adventure, how can I do this ? Can I do this? Seems like its working. By George thats not half bad...... All the while you're building in the back of your mind, "It would be easier/faster/better if I did it another way." So the next time you build the same item things usually go better, fall into place, short cuts abound. Invariably it doesn't turn out as good as the first. By the time you make six of the dimned things yer ready to chuck the whole project. http://i.imgur.com/wXv6iaa.jpg http://i.imgur.com/wXv6iaal.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted December 19, 2013 Author Share Posted December 19, 2013 Insidious Forge World: You have to hand it to the FW designers, they are artists. At a casual glance one would say that the APOC Rocket Launcher array has a set back bevel in the front above the nose cones about 45°to the perpendicular. I suspected that that was not the accurate angle so I cut my angle at 45° slightly forward if the position I decided would be the best in relation to the rocket pod tubes. It did not look right surprise, surprise. No the actual angle is less; I decided on about 42 to 43° looks better. I'll make all the rest at this angle while I think on this, the angle may be even less............. http://i.imgur.com/TTJiJjX.jpg http://i.imgur.com/TTJiJjXl.jpg Judging by the photo I just took. http://i.imgur.com/63AtObw.jpg http://i.imgur.com/63AtObwl.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giarc Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 I really like the 3 pod design. It gives it some distinction from a standard Reaver. I think if you would have 2, just above the weapon arms it would resemble a Warlord titan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusktiger Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 you may be right about the lower angle. might be closer to the 37 to 40 degree angle looking at the Praetor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted December 21, 2013 Author Share Posted December 21, 2013 Yeah the angle 33° I have on it now seems just right. They're Okay They're Okay..... Thats what I have to keep telling myself. Well the basic rocket pods are done I just have to detail them after I determine the final length. http://i.imgur.com/7y7TZnD.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7y7TZnDl.jpg Right now they stick a lot higher that the floor of the carapace but once the top is skinned, it should be quite a bit thicker only the upper bevel of the pod should protrude above. http://i.imgur.com/LIkgG2P.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LIkgG2Pl.jpg The centerline pod will be the bevel height higher than the side pods as it appears now and the top two rows of rockets on the center pod will be capable of forward 'line of sight' launching. http://i.imgur.com/9JnBxRA.jpg http://i.imgur.com/9JnBxRAl.jpg In all the upper level of the carapace should be a busy place, not a show boat but eminently practicable. They're Okay They're Okay.....They're Okay They're Okay.....They're Okay They're Okay..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 Rocket Array Elevation/Rotation Mechanism Redux: Initially when I had the 'Pan's Pipes' array I planned to have the rocket launcher totally hidden beneath the carapace skin. http://i.imgur.com/UN1jr22.jpg http://i.imgur.com/UN1jr22l.jpg As such it would have been relatively easy to make a simple retract/rotation system in the confines of that area but with the current ambition this array has engendered I was forced to come up with a more sophisticated system. Below is the beginnings the new improved hydraulic jack system I came up with. http://i.imgur.com/kPgjut2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/kPgjut2l.jpg This system hopefully will be compact enough to be confined in the shallow channel below the array and keep the frontal view of the Reaver analogous to the Mars Pattern frontal elevation in overall height. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/f9/da/37/f9da37c89b442da24031994040120683.jpg Think that's an appropriate reaction to your titan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 LOL or perhaps a pocket rocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don the Oiler Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Streamlined silhouettes in 40K? BLASPHEMY! Oh, delicious blasphemy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 Open the Pod Bay Doors Hal.............. Geez; how far off base was Arthur C Clarke with that prediction! No 'Big Wheel' Space Station, No Colony on the Moon, No Hydrocephalic Stewardesses, No frick'n Pan Am even for Crissakes! But hey we do have bankrupting Social Welfare Programs up the Whazoo and free cell phones, thats something I guess............. Rocket Pod Lift and Rotation in Action: So even though nothing is glued together a sequential series of images showing the pod emerging from stowed to firing position: Queue up the Waltz.............. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdrqeAKNLM8 http://i.imgur.com/z2OuRvx.jpg http://i.imgur.com/z2OuRvxl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/I9hqJPv.jpg http://i.imgur.com/I9hqJPvl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/bHVFUR8.jpg http://i.imgur.com/bHVFUR8l.jpg http://i.imgur.com/fDSZEm9.jpg http://i.imgur.com/fDSZEm9l.jpg Ballistic Launch Mechanism next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 The Rear Hinge Installed: The way I envision it right now is that the center pod when lowered will still be able to fire the two top rows of missiles 'line of sight. Only the bottom row of missiles will be below the surface of the main carapace. The shoulder pods will fair into the side of the center pod perhaps with the spine ridge fairing above the top row I haven't yet worked that out.... http://i.imgur.com/KHp10ZL.jpg http://i.imgur.com/KHp10ZLl.jpg I need to stiffen the rear hinge point to hold the elevation probably with friction quadrants but such as it is at the moment the pod at full elevation http://i.imgur.com/GNVmd1V.jpg http://i.imgur.com/GNVmd1Vl.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 The Completed Pod Elevating Seeking & Trajectory System: or PESTS Elevation Friction Lock: Well the tube hinge won't hold the elevation, I need a friction lock. After trying to wedge thin shims under the lower plate to put pressure on the hinge tube all i succeeded in doing was break the glued joint. I finally can up with the idea to put pressure on the telescoping lift cylinder. If you look on either side of the lift cylinder you will see two 2,0 X 4,0 mm strips anchored at but ends and locked in place in the front with notched tensioners. These put pressure on the lift cylinder thereby holding the pod in the elevated position. http://i.imgur.com/qBECM2X.jpg http://i.imgur.com/qBECM2Xl.jpg Pod installed on weapons shoulder to demonstrate the simplicity of the mechanism. http://i.imgur.com/epRrE4S.jpg http://i.imgur.com/epRrE4Sl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/wID2geF.jpg http://i.imgur.com/wID2geFl.jpg Aligned for stowing. http://i.imgur.com/ewE6bdi.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ewE6bdil.jpg Stowed. http://i.imgur.com/Ub8Bm1P.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Ub8Bm1Pl.jpg Carapace ready for detailing. http://i.imgur.com/TfGqBOb.jpg http://i.imgur.com/TfGqBObl.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MordentHex Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 This as with all your work, makes mine look like poop. Keep up the good work O god of scratch building! PS, I may snatch that missile launcher idea from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studio Silvernale Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I think one of those would look awesome on my stormbird I'm building... have one you could spare? =D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted January 6, 2014 Author Share Posted January 6, 2014 No but I'll answer your questions if you'd care to build one. Six Pods in Progress: Now that the first one I built works okay I have the format for making the rest. http://i.imgur.com/a6CgSAh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/a6CgSAhl.jpg I've decided the center pods will turn as well as the shoulder pods so all three arrays can be trained on the target. http://i.imgur.com/ksWZpzE.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ksWZpzEl.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 Thanks, Well it took me one day to design and build the first Pod Tensioner system and one day to build and install the other five; thats pretty good. This tensioner will have many other applications with little modification. mostly areas where parts need to be positioned manually and then maintain that orientation. Its all made with just glue and styrene for ease of maintenance and repair. Below is the assembly starting with the small notched blocks that anchor the front of the two springs and the two spring lock blocks attached to the rear hinge. http://i.imgur.com/r9Hsscm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/r9Hsscml.jpg The springs are self positioning and add just enough friction to the lift cylinder to hold the elevation of the pod. The sequence below shows the steps installing the springs. http://i.imgur.com/pBljjHw.jpg http://i.imgur.com/pBljjHwl.jpg The whole mechanism is very strong being made of 2,0 mm thick styrene so it should last quite a while until the springs fatigue and require replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 You're a genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studio Silvernale Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Hehe ok.. what all did you use and how did you do it? =D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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