DarthMarko Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 Yeah, that is much more realistic - I agree.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278737-scars-episode-xi-updated-1610-spoilers/page/19/#findComment-3468622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted September 20, 2013 Author Share Posted September 20, 2013 I so want to read more of Scars :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278737-scars-episode-xi-updated-1610-spoilers/page/19/#findComment-3468648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Now, I did intentionally phrase my point in the most obnoxious and condescending manner possible, because, well....some Space Wolf fans think they're being bashed when people claim that the Wolves are hypocrites for the Rune Priest/Nikea thing, or that the VI Legion aren't specially created to kill other Astartes Legions. Meanwhile, on this very forum there are posts claiming that Roboute Guilliman was plotting to take over the Imperium all along, and that he deliberately set things up post Heresy so that his Legion could run everything forever, all the while twirling his mustache and smashing puppies with his enormous power fists. Lion El Johnson tends to get similar treatment, somewhat less now that it's pretty much confirmed Astellan was hallucinating most of his self justifying story, but it's still there (And the whole "I want Librarians and I will keep decapitating people until I get them" didn't help matters). The anti Space Wolf stuff is...pretty mild by comparison. How that justifies me screeching "Russ was SCARED of Angron! That's right! He looked into those bloodshot eyes, with their pupils the size of purely theoretical particles and felt FEAR! FEAR!" I'm a bit unclear on. But there you go. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278737-scars-episode-xi-updated-1610-spoilers/page/19/#findComment-3468650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Sergeant Bohemond Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 when we discuss the space puppies, I always come back to ADB's awesome snippets from Khârn and Sevetar and smile to myself Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278737-scars-episode-xi-updated-1610-spoilers/page/19/#findComment-3468674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMarko Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Wade....Yarrrrr - I know, but admit - some things are over pumped by fans....I'll add both "executioners" and "ignorance abut the warp" in the pot.... I mean BL puts a teaser - 1000000 topics (each fan has his own pumped up theory), like you mentioned.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278737-scars-episode-xi-updated-1610-spoilers/page/19/#findComment-3468685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Ill just say my peace here, and take into account my avatar lol (JASPCAT YOU CHANGED AGAIN!!! ARE YOU TZEENTCH???!?) @Darthmarko I feel your pain dude but what wade is trying to get across was the whole Space wolves are being hypocrites is a factor. He understands like many of us that it might come across as bashing, but its just a point of view that makes sense. I hate that it has to be like this and I think it all spawned from ATS and PB. Black Library just had a few things that they missed out on. And unfortunately the Space wolves seem to get the butt end of ragey discussions that just fuel Khorne even mor-BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!! sorry that comes out sometimes, but like the SW, the ultras and DA get flack too which has been somewhat cleared up but the SW executioner and nikea thing havent yet I wish russ could finally say in one of the books when asked about nikea, he just says "hey, something I learned from angron...I JUST DONT GIVE 2 S***S ABOUT MY PSYKERS!!!" problem soved Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278737-scars-episode-xi-updated-1610-spoilers/page/19/#findComment-3468716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 And it will change again!!! I'm not tzeentch though I could be. I like to change things up and a TS kicking a SW pup was worth it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278737-scars-episode-xi-updated-1610-spoilers/page/19/#findComment-3468726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper_Hawser Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Wow, can't believe combining all the White Scars pages has become 19 pages. So can I ask for some spoilers? Has Khan decided what to do about the Space Wolves and Alpha Legion fleet in front of him? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278737-scars-episode-xi-updated-1610-spoilers/page/19/#findComment-3468974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 @Kasper: WoT and now Jaspcat have kindly been spoiling us every Wednesday. Follow the thread with a calendar next to you and look for WoT's posts every Wednesday, he's provided some awesome summaries. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278737-scars-episode-xi-updated-1610-spoilers/page/19/#findComment-3469019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonerhino Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 You He is saying that because of their beliefs and refusal to learn, it's no wonder the Space Wolves became hypocrites(assuming they were included in the Edict of Nikea), because in their eyes, they aren't.I keep reading the Emperor's Edict in A Thousand Sons, and I can't seem to find the part that goes "Everybody stop fooling around with the Warp. Except for the Space Wolves, because they're my Executioner Legion and totally awesomer than the rest of you guys." Perhaps my copy contains some printing errors? Do the Wolves think Nikea doesn't apply to them? Si. Are they demonstrably WRONG in universe, since Nikea's entire point was "Everybody stop fiddling around with the Warp" and Rune Priest powers work by fiddling around in the Warp? Si. Does the fact that they never figured out their powers run on the Warp like everyone else's, even when they can observe things like the Rune Powers getting blocked by the Sisters of Silence just like a Librarian's make them look as LEAST as misguided as the Word Bearers not getting the memo on that whole "Atheism rah rah rah!" thing? Si, si, SI! >Sanguinius even states "The Emperor is assembling a carnival of monsters for his amusement, although I doubt whoever he unleashes them upon will see the jest".Speaking of hypocrites.....Let the Primarch whose gene sons don't flip out and drink the blood of their enemies and allies alike cast the first stone. I like this topic because it relies on not only the SWs being hypocites but also the Custodes and Sisters of Silence. Since they both have no problems with the SWs using Rune priest. Not to mention 20+ years of fluff saying SWs have no Librarians combined with the decree at Nikea targeting only Librarians. Even the new stuff says that SWs don't have Librarians or even a Librarius, as per the Death Watch rpg. But hey if it makes you feel better having the need to bring the SWs down a notch or two. Go for it. At least Magnus will always believe the SWs to be a special snowflake as he states in Battle of the Fang. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278737-scars-episode-xi-updated-1610-spoilers/page/19/#findComment-3469117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted September 20, 2013 Author Share Posted September 20, 2013 Wow, can't believe combining all the White Scars pages has become 19 pages. So can I ask for some spoilers? Has Khan decided what to do about the Space Wolves and Alpha Legion fleet in front of him? He powered through the Alpha Legion blockade and has decided to head to Prospero to find out the truth about what's happening as he can't trust Terra and he can't trust Horus but he believes he'll find the truth on Prospero. In doing so he apologised to Russ and wished him well and hoped they'd fight on the same side in the future but until he finds out what's going on, he'll have to fend for himself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278737-scars-episode-xi-updated-1610-spoilers/page/19/#findComment-3469170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozeryk_Sleipnijr Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 And Russ shrugged his shoulders and got on with it ..,.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278737-scars-episode-xi-updated-1610-spoilers/page/19/#findComment-3469365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 And Russ shrugged his shoulders and got on with it ..,.. One can learn a thing or two from a homicidal butcher primarch :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278737-scars-episode-xi-updated-1610-spoilers/page/19/#findComment-3469395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 After this post by me, I'm tossing any more posts about Angron versus Russ. Please don't waste your time. Move on from the old debate. Angron is not in this book series yet and should barely be mentioned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278737-scars-episode-xi-updated-1610-spoilers/page/19/#findComment-3469674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 Really looking forward to showdowns between the WS and EC/DG on Terra. The only drawback to these primarch showdowns is that we know Fulgrim, Mortarion, and the Khan all survive the Heresy unless BL are planning some major changes to old fluff Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278737-scars-episode-xi-updated-1610-spoilers/page/19/#findComment-3471133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted September 22, 2013 Author Share Posted September 22, 2013 Maybe he banishes one of them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278737-scars-episode-xi-updated-1610-spoilers/page/19/#findComment-3471142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 Or the Khan falls. His disappearance after the Heresy was always a bit meh... Let him go down in a blaze of glory (mainly at the receiving end of Silence) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278737-scars-episode-xi-updated-1610-spoilers/page/19/#findComment-3471328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 Or the Khan falls. His disappearance after the Heresy was always a bit meh... Let him go down in a blaze of glory (mainly at the receiving end of Silence) Nah... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278737-scars-episode-xi-updated-1610-spoilers/page/19/#findComment-3471336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vile Siren Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 I could imagine him(Khan) either beating Fulgrim/ or critically wounding his legion while they are attacking people, good achievement for a primarch not to much is now about(Even if I am a Fulgrim fan); then after he did that he would lose against Morty, or at least I hope so because good old morty already has that heart craving thing under his belt so him winning a fight would be awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278737-scars-episode-xi-updated-1610-spoilers/page/19/#findComment-3471345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted September 22, 2013 Author Share Posted September 22, 2013 Or he could face both at once, own Fulgrim and fight to a draw with Morty :P Fulgrim needs a major knocking down to size after his most recent appearences. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278737-scars-episode-xi-updated-1610-spoilers/page/19/#findComment-3471349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 Or he could face both at once, own Fulgrim and fight to a draw with Morty Fulgrim needs a major knocking down to size after his most recent appearences. Eh? Perturabo whipped him like the proverbial government mule in Angel Exterminatus (before that whole harvester stone thing) although its arguable Fulgrim may have thrown that because A. He couldn't kill Pert before his big ascension ceremony B. He's a Slaaneshi creep who LIKES having someone rearrange his facial structure with their fists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278737-scars-episode-xi-updated-1610-spoilers/page/19/#findComment-3471441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted September 22, 2013 Author Share Posted September 22, 2013 I figured he wanted that to happen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278737-scars-episode-xi-updated-1610-spoilers/page/19/#findComment-3471442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I'd like the Khan to win if he does fight another primarch...or at least to have the upper hand before the two are forced to part I think a few loyalist victories would be nice Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278737-scars-episode-xi-updated-1610-spoilers/page/19/#findComment-3472105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Well, truth be told, sometimes I have to remind myself the traitors held the upper hand for most of the Heresy. It's not like the loyalists haven't been getting a few victories, even phyrric: - Vulkan ended up thrashing Curze - Guilliman thwarted Kor Phaeron's plans for Calth and got to slap Lorgar and Angron for a little while - Sanguinius got two trophies for his room in the form of Greater Daemon heads - The Lion is on a spree. One Greater Daemon and a brother Primarch torn to shreds - The Imperial Fists almost obliterated Perturabo - Russ broke Magnus in two I know the overall scenario is still bleak and trust me, I'd like for the Khan to deliver a bladestorm to any traitor's face, but there's room for greater setbacks for the loyalists. I'm actually sorry there isn't another Primarch death per the current fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278737-scars-episode-xi-updated-1610-spoilers/page/19/#findComment-3472145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
High MarshalGR Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 What I would like as far as Primarch deaths go: -Perturabo kills Fulgrim -Magnus dies by Russ's hand -Curze's end comes from the Lion instead of M' Shen Eh? Perturabo whipped him like the proverbial government mule in Angel Exterminatus (before that whole harvester stone thing) although its arguable Fulgrim may have thrown that because A. He couldn't kill Pert before his big ascension ceremony B. He's a Slaaneshi creep who LIKES having someone rearrange his facial structure with their fists. So awesome sounding! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278737-scars-episode-xi-updated-1610-spoilers/page/19/#findComment-3472286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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