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I know it's been brought up again and again but I'm thinking next year should see our release at some point along with Orks and Wolves. Just noticed that with the exception of the old marines dex, crons, and grey knights that they've only made the new dexes available digitally. I'm thinking it's because they are slated for release in the next year so there's no point making interactive iBooks for them now. What do y'all think? Haven't purchased any of the older dexes they have available so I'm not sure if they're as interactive as the new ones.
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Thinking it through logically:

Armies with 6th ed. codices - Dark Angels, Chaos Space Marines, Chaos Daemons, Eldar, Tau Empire, Space Marines, Black Templars (in the new SM book), Necrons (clearly done for 6th)

Armies currently rumoured to be in-the-works - Orks, Tyranids, Imperial Guard

Which leaves - Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Grey Knights, Dark Eldar, Sisters of Battle

 

The sensible thing would be, and always has been, IMO, for them to fold Sisters of Battle back in with Grey Knights and do a combined inquisition dex. With the way things are going at the moment (with BT and SM) that's a viable possibility.

 

6th edition has been out for 14 months at this point. Since then, GW have produced (come next week) 6 hardback codices - running slightly behind one every 2 months. Assuming Necrons sit at the bottom of the heap (having been done for 6th edition), and we get one more this year, for the sake of argument Tyranids, that leaves us 7 factions not updated for 6th edition. With the release rate holding up, all bar one would be complete by the end of 2014 and given age, popularity, and playability, Blood Angels almost certainly aren't at the bottom of the heap for that. 

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Oh, I know we're further down the pipe when it comes to the Nids and IG rumors. Just saying that sometime next year is possible. Orks and SoB def need updates but I agree with Admetus that they were better off as the "Inquisition" along with GKs. I think they'll try to adjust the point adjustments that have seen DA and vanilla marines able to take a lot more numbers in an edition that generally favors more boots on the ground. We all can agree that our stuff is mostly over costed. It may not seem much when comparing individual units but as we all know, it adds up quick. I'll probably going to be having all of my DA dark vengeance tacs, libby, scouts, etc. be "counts as" SM once I get a good look at that dex.
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There's also the rumours that say WFB is getting redone next year (extremely likely) and that it's receiving a massive overhaul (plausible). I reckon it'd make sense for GW to try and get as much of 40k done as possible prior to that so they can focus on fantasy. Nids being redone as the last dex of this year sounds decent; IG, SW and Orks are in the pipeline...  leaves BA, GK, DE, 'Crons, SoB as armies without a hardback. Crons don't need it, and BA are the oldest remaining (6 months older than Dark Eldar, and a full year older than Grey Knights), AND the ones most in need of an update from that list. If I was forced to stick my neck out, I'd guess that we get our new book either the last one of 2014, or the first one of 2015.

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Thinking it through logically:

Armies with 6th ed. codices - Dark Angels, Chaos Space Marines, Chaos Daemons, Eldar, Tau Empire, Space Marines, Black Templars (in the new SM book), Necrons (clearly done for 6th)

Armies currently rumoured to be in-the-works - Orks, Tyranids, Imperial Guard

Which leaves - Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Grey Knights, Dark Eldar, Sisters of Battle

 

Grey Knights were also built with 6th ed in mind. The fact that they were the first to have psyker mastery levels is one clue. Dark Eldar also don't really need an update. All of their stuff is still extremely solid. I also foresee SOBs being rolled into an Agents of Humanity codex with grey knights, so that will be awhile. This leaves SW and BA. Personally I want BA to come out first just so that Dante gets a weapon that allows him to use his high initiative, and maybe a new model (seriously, just because he is old in the fluff doesn't mean his model should be the same age :P)

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Next year sounds very plausable but tbh apart from a few things I would want rules wise (mostly for Characters) like Dante's Axe Mortalis, something fluffier from Seth, Meph gaining access to AP2 (smash?!), and maybe Astorath could make DC scoring; its mostly points reduction that is what we direly need. Cheaper stuff in line with the newer codeces as I am always outnumbered!! Not too bothered about lots of new toys as I actually quite like ours. A Chapter Trait that gives us a decent buff would be nice, and I want my jump DC back!!
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I'm fine with the BA codex as of right now. When we get a new one I will be stoked, but I can wait biggrin.png

After buying the new CSM dex yesterday Im totally fine with the BA dex as it is. Things we possibly have to look forward to: losing the Reclusiarch, a libby with no access to divination powers, restricted access to plasma guns, increased price of a razorback. Im not even sure TFC getting barrage is a good thing and as some have already mentioned Id maybe rather take my chances with 4 individual shots rather than banking on the one hit. Oh also a rise in cost of sternguard combi weapons.

Ive toyed with the idea of starting a diff founding chapter and have come to the conclusion Id rather have DC, furioso, assault squads as troops, fast vehicles - the things that make us unique. DoA and red thirst are nice fluffy rules which dont deliver a huge advantage

Some slight tweaks to the codex would do me fine, access to the AA, centurions and storm talon but even if these were missed out I wouldnt be too miffed about it, but in comparison to this new codex Im happy to stay a BA player with the current dex and am quite nervous about what may come when our 6th ed book is released.

Also has anybody elses codex got a horrible misprint regarding the reference section as in its stuck onto the wrong page of the book halfway through the HQ section of the army list? I might take it back for a refund to be honest.

Cue a load of grief from those in disagreement ...*shrugs*

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I'm fine with the BA codex as of right now. When we get a new one I will be stoked, but I can wait biggrin.png

After buying the new CSM dex yesterday Im totally fine with the BA dex as it is. Things we possibly have to look forward to: losing the Reclusiarch, a libby with no access to divination powers, restricted access to plasma guns, increased price of a razorback. Im not even sure TFC getting barrage is a good thing and as some have already mentioned Id maybe rather take my chances with 4 individual shots rather than banking on the one hit. Oh also a rise in cost of sternguard combi weapons.

LukeL, no grief, but just for sake of accuracy....SMs never had access to Div powers in the first place, so we'd have no change there.

DA still have a reclusiarch- so its very likely we'd keep ours- especially considering our structure.

Thunderfires we dont get, so no biggie/change there.

The razorbacks are still the same cost for the heavy variants - which means with JP discount we wouldnt have any issue (maybe a 5pnt increase in ACs?).

Sternguard Cmbi increase only matters if you use your SG as carriers of full combi weapons- otherwise if you rock 3-4 in a squad of ten, you're still looking at a cheaper squad.

The only thing in line with the C: SM that we "stand to lose out on' is less PGs in our HG squad.

Not a huge prob.

GW could do a really quick fix for the BA if they just recosted us. They could put a tiny bit of effort in and throw in 6 warlord traits, some relics AND a recosting (along with one or two tweeks to the Characters) - but otherwise we're pretty simple to fix. Id happily take the dex exactly as is, just recosted to 6th.

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I'm fine with the BA codex as of right now. When we get a new one I will be stoked, but I can wait biggrin.png

After buying the new CSM dex yesterday Im totally fine with the BA dex as it is. Things we possibly have to look forward to: losing the Reclusiarch, a libby with no access to divination powers, restricted access to plasma guns, increased price of a razorback. Im not even sure TFC getting barrage is a good thing and as some have already mentioned Id maybe rather take my chances with 4 individual shots rather than banking on the one hit. Oh also a rise in cost of sternguard combi weapons.

LukeL, no grief, but just for sake of accuracy....SMs never had access to Div powers in the first place, so we'd have no change there.

DA still have a reclusiarch- so its very likely we'd keep ours- especially considering our structure.

Thunderfires we dont get, so no biggie/change there.

The razorbacks are still the same cost for the heavy variants - which means with JP discount we wouldnt have any issue (maybe a 5pnt increase in ACs?).

Sternguard Cmbi increase only matters if you use your SG as carriers of full combi weapons- otherwise if you rock 3-4 in a squad of ten, you're still looking at a cheaper squad.

The only thing in line with the C: SM that we "stand to lose out on' is less PGs in our HG squad.

Not a huge prob.

GW could do a really quick fix for the BA if they just recosted us. They could put a tiny bit of effort in and throw in 6 warlord traits, some relics AND a recosting (along with one or two tweeks to the Characters) - but otherwise we're pretty simple to fix. Id happily take the dex exactly as is, just recosted to 6th.

Glad Im wrong then! Likewise Id be more than happy with a recosted codex

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I have two guesses:

 

1) We will almost certainly get a BGD (Big Giant Dude) model. I don't know if we're just going to get centurions painted red, or if we're going to get some Blood-Angels specific thing, but we're going to get it. It seems that this is the new GW design doctrine.

 

2) I strongly suspect that we will either get a second flyer kit or access to the stormtalon. Blood Angels are supposed to be the masters of the air, but as it sands right now we have less access to anti-air ground units and fewer flyers than other Space Marine chapters. This seems odd.

 

I'm not sure we want the first - I'm sure I don't if it's access to the centurion, because I don't like those models - and don't believe we need the second, but I have a strong feeling that both will happen.

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I'd like to have stormtalons, reasonably prized troops I'd actually like to play and a useful chapter tactics, Red Thirst is just the worst piece of :cuss ever :/

 

Just coming off a tournament I totally agree with Mort that BA are totally fine if only they were appropriately prized. It's really hard to win if the other guy has 20% more stuff on the table.

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