Nards08 Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 I dont see many people paint the BT backpack vents gunmetal, ala that GW art (also in the BT book). I do :) As do I! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279323-so/page/4/#findComment-3445824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Ditto, but then I don't use proper white, sooo...hm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279323-so/page/4/#findComment-3445833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algesan Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Who's going to be the first one of us that breaks down and takes allies with Librarians (since its legal to do so now)? It won't be me... Let's see...I think I'm the only one so far who actually has stated that appearing in the same codex with a witch is a negative. The two other 40k armies I've actually run on a table both contain no psykers or psychic powers. Well, okay, I do have an occasional thought to run a Crimson Fist list, but still no psykers. Finally.... “I see now I allowed my sons to delve too profoundly into matters I should never has permitted them to know even existed. Let it be known that no one shall suffer censure, for this conclave is to serve Unity, not discord. But no more shall the threat of sorcery be allowed to taint the warriors of the Astartes. Henceforth, it is my will that no Legion will maintain a Librarius department. All its warriors and instructors must be returned to the battle companies and never again employ any psychic powers. Woe betide he who ignored my warning or breaks fair with me. He shall be my enemy, and I will visit such destruction upon him and all his followers that, until the end of all things, he shall rue the day he turned from my light.” Emperor of Mankind at Nikea Will any Black Templar stand against the command of the Emperor? Will you do so after being smurfed into joining the Marines of Roboute Guilliman in his lawyering around the command of the Emperor by changing the organization of Marines from Legions to Chapters? Even threatening to lead another civil war against our primarch unless all submitted to the wishes of the Ultramarines? <slightly out of the playing in character game> No, this isn't against just the 1000 Sons or Magnus, it is every stinking "loyalist" Marine librarian except the Grey Knights. They, like astropaths and navigators have the sanction of the Emperor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279323-so/page/4/#findComment-3445869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Who's going to be the first one of us that breaks down and takes allies with Librarians (since its legal to do so now)? It won't be me... Let's see...I think I'm the only one so far who actually has stated that appearing in the same codex with a witch is a negative. ...? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279323-so/page/4/#findComment-3445876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3m01iti0n Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 No psykers. If you even consider it then sell your Templars to us at a discount. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279323-so/page/4/#findComment-3445887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Bretton Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 it is known in the fluff that at some point in the heresy the decree of nikea was overturned though. As the HH books have not got that far yet, we don't know exactly what happened, but it does. However that doesn't change the fact that they are filthy stinking witches only fit for use as kindling! The only psykers that don't deserve burning simply for being what they are are the primarchs (because according to the new fluff they all seem to be at least partially psychic) and the emperor. And half the primarchs are fire fuel for other reasons anyway Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279323-so/page/4/#findComment-3446104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvih Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 As far as reading Lexicanum the decree was "overturned" only after the Emperor was... incapacitated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279323-so/page/4/#findComment-3446126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal_Roujakis Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 As far as reading Lexicanum the decree was "overturned" only after the Emperor was... incapacitated. Probably by Girlyman and the High Lords of Terra, with Malcador gone, the Emperor incap, and the other Primarchs focusing on the running traitors, the High Lords get to pass on their own political agendas have a new-found hate of Psykers today after I get a challenge from a C:SM user saying that he'll beat my Psyker-less armies with the new Psychic powered Centurions, something about having Invul. Saves on them or something... Planning on Executing the Blue and Red Telletubies with concentrated Predator Executioner Plasma-Cannon fire, 6 Hits from Plasma and 4 shots from Lascannons should take atleast 2 down... then all fire will be concentrated on the Lib. sound like a tactic guys? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279323-so/page/4/#findComment-3446133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Bretton Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 drop pod your champ next to the lib and smash some face Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279323-so/page/4/#findComment-3446153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbero666 Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 This topic is funny to me because I spent so many years with the templar concept on my head that any psyker is a witch and that we cannot use them that I can't imagine myself choosing one as an ally. I mean it, I see psyker/librarian on the HH rulebook when choosing the troops to my Imperial Fists heresy army and I don't even consider to use them, not even read that part. Not just because I "despise" them for our background (that's a big part but I like some pysker characters), but because that option hasn't existed for my army for years. I get used to the absence of psykers, so no need for them on my army or those I choose as allies. I don't even know how exactly the psychic powers work lol. It's curious how your army choice change your view of the game and the background Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279323-so/page/4/#findComment-3446351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3m01iti0n Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Im known at my game store for getting extremely irate over what I descibe as "psyker bull:cuss". Ive threatened to flip a few tables in my day. Its just a running joke with me and everybody plays along. Teammates always assure me "I wont take a witch I promise!" Im also known to throw EVERYTHING I have at a witch rather than tactically sound maneuvers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279323-so/page/4/#findComment-3446362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazorDaemon Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Im known at my game store for getting extremely irate over what I descibe as "psyker bull:cuss". Ive threatened to flip a few tables in my day. Its just a running joke with me and everybody plays along. Teammates always assure me "I wont take a witch I promise!" Im also known to throw EVERYTHING I have at a witch rather than tactically sound maneuvers. To be fair, if you took the certain Vow then you were supposed to throw everything at a witch even from a mechanics/rule standpoint A fun Vow to be certain "You lost because you threw them at the librarian instead of something more worthwhile" "Is the witch dead?" "...yes..." "Then Victory is Mine" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279323-so/page/4/#findComment-3446457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3m01iti0n Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 hahahahaha YES. I have that exact attitude. I play to have fun. I can lose horribly but if I accomplish my goal then I am happy. And my goal is to BURN WITCHES. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279323-so/page/4/#findComment-3446488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysere Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 hahahahaha YES. I have that exact attitude. I play to have fun. I can lose horribly but if I accomplish my goal then I am happy. And my goal is to BURN WITCHES. This becomes more fun when the enemy has many witches, such as grey knights. What do you kill first? My general response is that which is within easiest swinging distance. Last time my Templar fought GKs only Draigo was left at the end. I do think a few of my friends might want to run libby's alongside me in a tournament setting, last time I alled with a space marine player he lamented not being able to take a libby as an option. If they do I will warn them not to suffer a perils of the warp, or I will seriously dropping a vindicator shell on the witch. That is assuming I can be convinced to set up alongside a psyker. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279323-so/page/4/#findComment-3446545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algesan Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Who's going to be the first one of us that breaks down and takes allies with Librarians (since its legal to do so now)? It won't be me... Let's see...I think I'm the only one so far who actually has stated that appearing in the same codex with a witch is a negative. ...? Heh, if we are going to be in character about the entire thing... it is known in the fluff that at some point in the heresy the decree of nikea was overturned though. As the HH books have not got that far yet, we don't know exactly what happened, but it does. However that doesn't change the fact that they are filthy stinking witches only fit for use as kindling! The only psykers that don't deserve burning simply for being what they are are the primarchs (because according to the new fluff they all seem to be at least partially psychic) and the emperor. And half the primarchs are fire fuel for other reasons anyway Whenever Guilliman (sp?) put together his Codex Astartes and pretty much threatened another civil war with half the remaining Legions on his side unless everyone agreed to turn Legions into Chapters. Now, since they aren't "Legions", he could use technicality lawyering to argue that the Nikea Decree doesn't apply. Remember, Roboute was the #1 next candidate to lead a Heresy and pretty much set himself up as the ruler of the Imperium in the aftermath of the Heresy. Any group the Emperor sanctioned are beyond the Black Templars' mandate. The major three being astropaths, Navigators and Grey Knights. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279323-so/page/4/#findComment-3447039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I wasn't expressing disbelief in your position, I was expressing disbelief that you were the only one to consider it an offense that we are in the same book as psychers :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279323-so/page/4/#findComment-3447044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godfrey Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 At my local game store todayMe: I play black templars.Two guys: oh they're gonna be awesome now, you can even take librarians now.Me: No I can't.Two guys: yeah you can, with allies.Me: No I can't, that's heresy bullTwo guys: uh.....k......Burn the Witch! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279323-so/page/4/#findComment-3447048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki-LaughingDeath Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Nikea defined the difference between sorcery/witchcraft/heresy and psychic abilities. It has never been overturned, just violated on numerous occasions by traitors and heretics. I am at the point that I leave my Rune Priests sitting on Fenris because I am sick of how often they are abused as allies. I have to agree with Firepower about you cubs today..... sheesh the psykers today are nothing the only way you really see the old devastation that could be wrought has to be in an Apocalypse formation. Eldar have been sooooo watered down you would think that they are turning human. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279323-so/page/4/#findComment-3447066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 It was insinuated Dorn had his librarians executed in some of the newer HH stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279323-so/page/4/#findComment-3447086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Did Dorn have a personal stake/agenda in the ruling like Mortarion, Magnus and Russ did, or was he his usual 'Whatever the Emperor says, goes, and that's all there is to it' self? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279323-so/page/4/#findComment-3447092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I have considered doing so, but only with my Space Wolves Rune Priest, as the fluff differs from the average psyker. Hell the Wolves were even the ones that supported the Emperor's ban after Nikea and went after the Thousand Sons for breaking it. No, their psychers are the same as everyone else's, they just believe it works differently Which made the war with the Thousand Sons rather hypocritical, as much of the Imperium is deliberately designed to be in the fluff. They're both filthy witch scum Love you too firepower. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279323-so/page/4/#findComment-3447096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Space Wolf psykers are like everyone else, dude. Only fans think they are different for no real reasons besides some inherent need to be special. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279323-so/page/4/#findComment-3447113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazorDaemon Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 At my local game store today Me: I play black templars. Two guys: oh they're gonna be awesome now, you can even take librarians now. Me: No I can't. Two guys: yeah you can, with allies. Me: No I can't, that's heresy bull Two guys: uh.....k...... Burn the Witch! "yeah you can, with allies." Just like Dark Eldar "can" ally with Chaos Daemons or Chaos Marines that are aligned to slaanesh (for those lacking in that area of xeno knowledge, slaneesh is the bane of the Dark Eldar and Eldar's existence, and they are responsible for its' creation which coincided with the Fall of the Eldar) or Sisters of Battle "can" ally with the most potent psykers, the Eldar.... The allies matrix is just too general, but you can go on for quite a while about breaking things down past overall codex with allies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279323-so/page/4/#findComment-3447117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Space Wolf psykers are like everyone else, dude. Only fans think they are different for no real reasons besides some inherent need to be special. The Stormseers of the White Scars don't seem much different from Rune Priests at all, either. Psychers like everyone else, but they toss bones and talk to nature. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279323-so/page/4/#findComment-3447121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazorDaemon Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Space Wolf psykers are like everyone else, dude. Only fans think they are different for no real reasons besides some inherent need to be special. Need more clarification... Yes, Rune Priests are psykers, they are the equivalent of a librarian just like a Blood Angels Sanguinary Priest is the equivalent of an Apothecary. It is the treatment and viewpoint of the Wolves regarding them that differs, as is the manifestation of the psychic power, just like a Blood Angels librarian has unique powers like "Blood Boil" and "The Sanguine Sword" and a Grey Knight has "Dark Excommunication". No need to hate the Wolves for something every individual army apart from the generic main Codex does. A shaman and a wizard are both magicians, shaman says his magic comes from nature and the wizard says his books. Everyone else says who cares its still magic...and then a Templar kills them both. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279323-so/page/4/#findComment-3447129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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