Shifte Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 Bump. The Pandorax Novel that is coming out may help shed some light on this topic area. http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=&prodId=prod2250100a "When a massive Chaos host commanded by Abaddon the Despoiler and Huron Blackheart brings war to Pandorax, the ensuing carnage threatens to destroy the entire system and uncover an ancient secret. Only the intercession of the Dark Angels and Grey Knights can save the day... " Abaddon and Huron working together? I've never even heard of them interacting before. Hopefully this story isn't garbage, as even a glimpse of how Abaddon perceives Huron would be very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 over 200k chaos space marines draw against maybe 6k loyalists. All those feels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spafe Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 I would guess neither abbadon or Houron have taken their full forces, But no doubt it will be explain better in the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 over 200k chaos space marines draw against maybe 6k loyalists. All those feels. Half the "loyalist" force is Dark Angels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 over 200k chaos space marines draw against maybe 6k loyalists. All those feels.That... If that's how it's written, than it's simply shameful writing. On all fronts - that so few loyalists are able to repel so many chaos marines, making a total joke of chaos as any sort of threat; that so many chaos marines are even able to be brought to bare in anything less than a black crusade to begin with - these guys are supposed to be rare and elite, not hordy and expendable; that so few loyalists are able to be brought in to defend the planet, when the Imperium has unlimited resources drawn from a Galaxy-wide warmachine.... I certainly hope that's not what Pandorax boils down to, because that's basically a fluff failure from every possible perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Aiwass Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Vinzenzo the Ultramarine 'Hey Sarge, look there, therer are two whole legiones of filthy traitors!' Callus the Ultramarine Sgt. 'So? Just call the scout company, they'll be fine. We're going to do serious things, like polish our armor.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Vinzenzo the Ultramarine 'Hey Sarge, look there, therer are two whole legiones of filthy traitors!' Callus the Ultramarine Sgt. 'So? Just call the scout company, they'll be fine. We're going to do serious things, like polish our armor.' Sounds about right for modern 40K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Vinzenzo the Ultramarine 'Hey Sarge, look there, therer are two whole legiones of filthy traitors!' Callus the Ultramarine Sgt. 'So? Just call the scout company, they'll be fine. We're going to do serious things, like polish our armor.' An extract from the famous Ultramarines movie ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RapatoR Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Did I just read what I read? Jeske made comment and everyone takes it like it is an excerpt from actual story? Seriously? This battle is listed in BL supplement and it is not mentioned as being the Black Crusade so I don't know where you got the number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RolandTHTG Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 For more Info about Huron, Black library just released http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Huron-Blackheart.html , though I don't know exactly what info is contained in it. Although that axe in the preview is impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biaz Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 For more Info about Huron, Black library just released http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Huron-Blackheart.html , though I don't know exactly what info is contained in it. Although that axe in the preview is impressive. Oh man, this I have to have! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 over 200k chaos space marines draw against maybe 6k loyalists. All those feels.That... If that's how it's written, than it's simply shameful writing. On all fronts - that so few loyalists are able to repel so many chaos marines, making a total joke of chaos as any sort of threat; that so many chaos marines are even able to be brought to bare in anything less than a black crusade to begin with - these guys are supposed to be rare and elite, not hordy and expendable; that so few loyalists are able to be brought in to defend the planet, when the Imperium has unlimited resources drawn from a Galaxy-wide warmachine.... I certainly hope that's not what Pandorax boils down to, because that's basically a fluff failure from every possible perspective. IDK...it's kinda reflective of the Codex/their opinions of CSMs in general. The Ultramarines movie has 10 recently elevated Ultramarines, and a captain take on a horde of CSMs and win. Granted you can do that with the Movie Space Marines list (Best, most awesome list ever) which they pretty much are an exact reflection of, Plus a Captain and Chaplin. But it kind of smacks of the same type of Bait-and-Switch that The Greater Good by Sandy Mitchell had. It came out at a time where there weren't many Tau centric books, and consistency was hit and miss. You were led to think that the book was going to involve the Tau more than...a Water Caste guy playing chess with Ciaphias Cain and 2 firewarrior bodyguards. Maybe this one is simply being hyped up to be the next Storm of Iron/next great Chaos book, but will end up being another Loyalist marines are Just Better story. Or it will end with a Draw, where Abaddon has accomplished some Alpha Legion-esque goal while losing tens of thousands (or more) CSMs and the Imperium "only just held the line". Hopefully, there was some sort of mistake and the loyalists have a crappton of Guard and stuff. Gentlemen, I believe we will have to wait until ADB's Black Legion series before we get anything that will be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elrahir Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 What is inspiring about Red Corsairs and their loyalist past, is that this exceptional chapter shone in every enterprise it took part in and that it has concealed their parent legion roots so we can acknowledge where their specialism in ship boarding and capturing and their space combat warfare doctrine comes from. Red Corsairs, or more specificaly Lufgt Huron has poked imperium so hard where the original legions (except maybe World Eaters, with the reign of fire campaign) have failed to do since the heresy and the siege of Terra. This might be the reason that this faction is flurishing while the others are in an ailing status. Red Corsairs IMO give hope to what chaos can become if an intelligent commander weaves the web around the corrupted and fascist-ruled Imperium. Never forget, one of the missions we face in every tournament come from the Huron's own lips: Big guns never tire. So, they might be using specialist boarding and penetrating machinces, like caestus rams and boarding pods, they use close combat squads named retaliators, i do not know what they use from space ships, but we know that they have captured a Space Wolves ship with ease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shifte Posted October 31, 2013 Author Share Posted October 31, 2013 If ADB reads this thread - some insight into what Abaddon thinks of Huron would be great! ;-) I'm hoping it is in this book, though I suspect it'll focus on Grey Knights and Dark Angels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 If ADB reads this thread - some insight into what Abaddon thinks of Huron would be great! ;-) Aww, that'd be so darn awesome ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Bye bye grimdark, chaos is beaten by a handful of astrates yet again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Aiwass Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 There was not Ultramarines the movie. Thank you for bringing back pain memories, sir. Thank you. I hate you now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 I hate that rather than create say a r18+ anime series of say the Horus heresy that spans say 100 episodes or even the badab war they make that horrendous movie. How can you tell the taint of chaos Quite easily we are space marines, of the legions of old if someone starts shooting at you just kill them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 I hate that rather than create say a r18+ anime series of say the Horus heresy that spans say 100 episodes or even the badab war they make that horrendous movie. How can you tell the taint of chaos Quite easily we are space marines, of the legions of old if someone starts shooting at you just kill them! Okay, let me stop you there. The Animated Halo stuff had a few awesome elements (Riptide/Gundam-like MJOLNIR varient with typical Japanese Deathwish/redemption stuff) in it-but it was mostly anime tropes and lots of "Ree rood Rike To Pray", especially "GaOOOOOse cannons", Space Jetbikes and Spartans with little teddybear keychains (though that story was kinda grim in the sense that she met her clone replacement who hadn't died and was just sickley) Anime Horus Heresy series might come out with the space marines/primarchs looking like something from aeon flux. Do you want that :cuss? I can't get over how crappy the Ultramarine Movie's graphics are. Holy Xbox 1 (not to be confused with the Xbone) level cutscenes clipped into a movie batman. Oh yeah, very Khornate "SSSSSSSSSSSLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUGHTER THEEEEEEEEEEM! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Aiwass Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 HH anime? Eeck! I can't deal with it. Just no. Please no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RapatoR Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 My brain hurts. Where is your common sense? So Jeske commented: over 200k chaos space marines draw against maybe 6k loyalists. All those feels. Because apparently, when you are going somewhere you absolutely positively always take full forces at your disposal. Always. Like the Germans in Stalingrad. Or the Romans in like, every battle ever. Oh wait.... Oh and wouldn't be an occurrence of so many marines classified as Black Crusade? Why Pandorax isn't classified as one? Why when Black Crusade occurs, there are dozens of chapters called but in this instance Imperium judged that one chapter and some Grey Knights will be more than enough? (Hint: Maybe, just maybe is it because Abaddon and Huron did committed just little parts of their forces?) And after Jeske's comment people start whining. Why on earth would you whine about book that is not released yet? Based on another user's comment, that is notoriously known for twisting fluff? Are. You. Serious? (By the way, that negativity that A D-B commented about is apparently made up. No one is being negative here.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Aiwass Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 Usually people complain about rumours because this is the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 (By the way, that negativity that A D-B commented about is apparently made up. No one is being negative here.) I suggest you reread the thread since jeske's post, then. Because that's not what happened at all. Jeske made a snarky comment, I said I 'certainly hope that's not' what the fluff in pandora is like, since it wouldn't make any sense in setting, and a couple other people made some similarly snarky posts comparing Jeske's snarky comment to the (hilariously) terrible ultramarines movie. Nobody actually took Jeske's comment as a serious indication of what is going to be in the pandorax book, the whole negative downturn of the entire thread you're commenting on really just never happened, and the thread had already turned to positive comments on the Black Library Huron release in the digital 40k warlords fluff pamphlet line, so... as far as I can tell, the only 'negativity' around here is your own? Relax a little. Breathe. It's gonna be ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 I hate that rather than create say a r18+ anime series of say the Horus heresy that spans say 100 episodes or even the badab war they make that horrendous movie. How can you tell the taint of chaos Quite easily we are space marines, of the legions of old if someone starts shooting at you just kill them! I've been saying that for years man, if you had the same art direction (and violence) that Evangelion had it'd be fantastic and probably the best way to cover the whole series and do it cinematic justice without shattering the bank. That being said, GW manages to fumble the ball in so many ways I don't think I'd trust them to actually pull that off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Evangelion. EVANGELION. Dear Emperor, Khorne, Tzeencht, Nurgle, Slaanesh, Gork, Mork, Cegorach, Vaul, Isha, and Khaela Mensha Khaine NO. The Traitors arrive at Terra, cue surreal montage of religous images, random babbling about scenarios and instrumentality, and the Horus and the Emperor hug and then they both dissolve into Tang. I'd sooner hire Stephanie Mayer to write the Siege of Terra novel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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