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Unremembered Empire....initial review

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Sothalor Veteran

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Haven't quite finished it yet, but something about the Pharos has been nagging at me.

 

 

It's referred to multiple times as behaving as some sort of "lantern" that lights up a chosen point. And it's "visible" from immense, unknowable distances, constructed who knows how long ago by an unknown xenos species.

They turn it on and point it at Macragge. The "beacon" effect is powerful enough to pierce through the Ruinstorm, when even the Astronomicon is nearly completely obscured.

That's one hell of a beacon. So far, good news for the loyalists and the Ultramarines in the middle of the Horus Heresy.

And ten millennia later, an extra-galactic swarm invades, making a beeline for Macragge.

Coincidence?

 

Scribe Venerable Brother

Scribe

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My thoughts are.

 

Yes, Vulkan Lives. He will resurrect out of the 'earth'. Where that is, we dont know yet.

 

Curze is still on Macragge.

 

We have 2 ways now to get around. The Pharos, and the DA warp tech...yet only the Angels make it. Interesting.

 

Where do we go next, I am not sure.

 

There is still Thalamas, Scar's is rolling along, Lorgar and Angron are still kicking around right? We dont know whats up with them either.

Scribe Venerable Brother

Scribe

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Or maybe Vulkan yet lives and we haven't seen the end of his story yet.

 

Yeah, I figure its just another book. The 'he thought he heard a heart beat' thing..I would be shocked if this is the end of Vulkan. It would defeat the purpose of Grammaticus doing what he did, both in the narrative, and in the larger meta of the story.

DuskRaider Venerable Brother

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Scribe, I am doing no more for the Wolves than I'd do for any Legion, than what I have done for any Legion. I have defended and ttacked all 18 Legions and I stand by those defenses and attacks as each one did nothing more than point out all the facts that were either being conveniently forgotten, legitimately forgotten or colored by personal bias.

 

The Wolves are considered by themselves as executioners. Fact.(Betrayer, Prospero Burns, Unremembered Empire)

 

The Wolves are considered by others as executioners. Fact.(Betrayer, The Outcast Dead, Unremembered Empire)

 

The Wolves were Emperor-Ordained. Unknown. (Betrayer)

 

The Wolves were Self-Ordained. Unknown. (Betrayer)

 

The Wolves have been shown to hold no hesitation in attacking other Astartes. Fact. (A Thousand Sons, Prospero Burns, Betrayer, Unremembered Empire, Fear to Tread)

 

The Wolves have been shown to be involved with sanction-type actions, regardless of who issued the orders. Fact. (Betrayer, A Thousand Sons, Prospero Burns)

 

They are the only Legion to show such a trait. False opinion(aka, wrong) (Betrayer, Galaxy in Flames, The First Heretic)

 

There are examples of Loyalists hesitating or being bewildered by the idea of attacking other Astartes. Fact. (Galaxy in Flames, Know No Fear, Fulgrim)

 

All I am doing is stating facts. If you believe this is downgrading to the Wolves, that is fine. If someone believes this makes the Wolves superior, that is fine. Those are opinions. When it stops being fine, is when someone goes "Book A says Fact B" when Book A actually says Fact C but is being used to say Opinion D or Personal Interpretation E.

 

Wade:

 

You're missing a boatlod of context. Guilliman was literally a fish in a barrel during the attack. The things that saved him were that he was a Primarch and his would-be murderers were basically average Astartes. From what we can tell of a small demonstration of Faffnr's speed, he at least is not the average Astartes, no more so than Khârn, Sevatar, Amit, Sigismund or Corswain is.

Kol I would consider the Wolves sent to the BA fleet on orders from Malcador that if Sang had turned they were going to try and kill him being an official decree from the Emperor considering his position.
Ugh... Why is this whole "Executioners" thing still going? Listen, even if it were the case that they were considered "The Emperor's Executioners", how in the nine hells would they 1.) stand a chance at felling a Primarch, 2.) get the word out before dying, and 3.) even see the knife being plunged into their backs before said Primarch even let on his allegiance? You really want to know what the Wolves truly were? The Emperor's Bondsmen. Or the Emperor's Baliff. Look, every instance where Russ is sent after another Primarch, it's to bring them to Terra to stand before the TRUE Emperor's Executioner: The Emperor. He was supposedly sent to reign in Angron (although there's evidence that he did so on his own accord), and he was sent to Prospero to bring Magnus in front of the Emperor. Russ isn't the Executioner. The Wolves aren't Executioners. They're 30K cops that book you and bring you in front of the Judge. I'm sorry for bringing this up, but honestly it's getting old. Damn you Dan Abnett for starting this.
GhostMalone Novitiate

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Let's just let that go. Until the heresy is over or it's directly stated by malcadore Russ or the emperor we don't hold it as fact or fiction.

 

This is an explosive topic that could nuke the thread

 

ADB has time and time again explained the situation and

Emperor's Furor Veteran

Emperor's Furor

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Yeah I think the spear when used by a lesser being sucks the life force from that being and transplants it into the target, that then puts the target into a coma allowing the target to regenerate both mentally and physically.

The_son_of_Dorn Veteran

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This whole perpetuals thing bugs me, if Vulkan can be reurected why not the rest? Dorn, Ferrus, Sang even Horus when he gets burned?

 

Leaves to much open to speculation, granted warp aligned Primarchs probz have their souls mangled in the Warp but that states nothing for the loyalists. in my mind i see the Emperor dying on teh golden throne & sacraficing whats left of himself to refuel his sons existance as the only viable option.

Greyall Venerable Brother

Greyall

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Primarchs aren't immortal, they die from wounds - unknown if time can kill them, they certainly do age, but being warp-infused creatures, who knows how many thousands of years they might live.

 

A Perpetual is a very particular thing - they're the very negation of mortality, each in his own way. It's a special condition. It's unknown why of all the Primarchs Vulkan is the Perpetual, but he was chosen to be so, it doesn't come with being a Primarch.

Emperor's Furor Veteran

Emperor's Furor

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I think the Emperor knew full well what Vulkan would turn out to be, all the back story in the FW book Massacre indicates he knew a lot, up to the point the Salamanders a long with the Alpha Legion and Space Wolves, during their inception, were kept secret and behind closed doors as opposed to the other legions which we fully integrated and celebrated. During their first battle that would make them renown at the time he kept uttering things related to being reborn from fire etc etc.

Dragonlover Venerable Brother

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I really enjoyed it, I literally couldn't put it down and blazed through it in about four hours. I think my favourite easter egg was probably one of the non-40K ones, when Narek loses two fingers.

 

I reckon the other Iron Warriors are off doing other stuff across the Five Hundred Worlds and thus weren't relevant to the book.

 

Dragonlover

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Verity

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I really enjoyed it, I literally couldn't put it down and blazed through it in about four hours. I think my favourite easter egg was probably one of the non-40K ones, when Narek loses two fingers.

 

I reckon the other Iron Warriors are off doing other stuff across the Five Hundred Worlds and thus weren't relevant to the book.

 

Dragonlover

Oh wow, was that supposed to be a thing for His Dark Materials? Didn't even clock that one, nice...

Greyall Venerable Brother

Greyall

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I think the Emperor knew full well what Vulkan would turn out to be, all the back story in the FW book Massacre indicates he knew a lot, up to the point the Salamanders a long with the Alpha Legion and Space Wolves, during their inception, were kept secret and behind closed doors as opposed to the other legions which we fully integrated and celebrated. During their first battle that would make them renown at the time he kept uttering things related to being reborn from fire etc etc.

 

So the Emperor wanted to prevent anyone from seeing Vulkan rise up from a crater, reborn?

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