Chronotonic Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Now hear me out before you just turn away in disgust. My idea has some backing but of course there will not be any real proof per-say as well it is the Alpha Legion and if they want you to find evidence it to make you think something else before it is to late. Now a bit of back story on my train of thought and maybe you will see what the heck I am talking about Ok now that is out of the way you are thinking... Holy mother of the Emperor himself... How would an Alpha Legionnaire ever top that train of thought and skill level of awesomeness Easy One Rank Two Words .... Chapter Master whaaaaaaaaaaatttttt...YOU BEST BE TRIPPING I know right... But like I said up there hear me out. Ok then a second clue in the fluff for you for those extra bits of info... The Horus Heresy was a horrible time for the Imperium all would agree to that. During that time it was shown that the Alpha Legion would for a lack of wording do skin grafts of faces onto their own Legionaries to take the place of a fallen Loyalist Marine. I of course make reference to the Black Library Novel Deliverance Lost. I will stop with the info for those who have yet to read the novel but you get the gist of the idea there. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Now with just those two bit of information right there you can literally think holy mother of pearl who could they not get... And for those of you thinking well whatever just rambling on .... Stop and re-read that story from the Deathwatch stuff there Was it a Blackshield Deathwatch No it was an Ultramarine Deathwatch...that would probably mean he took the spot of the actually Ultramarine...and then somehow passed any test that was put to the Ultramarine before being allowed to join the Deathwatch which is suppose to be the Delta Force of the Astartes Chapters. Think about that train of thought as I continue... --------------------------------------------------------------------- I also make reference to the short story of the "We are one" in the Treacheries of the Space Marine short story novel collection This is about an Inquisitor that is slowly becoming obsessed with the Alpha Legion and one in particular that goes by the name Phocron *phony haha* over time it becomes an unhealth obsession and you slowly realize that the Alpha Legion had been molding him into a champion of the Imperium that would root out the Alpha Legion no matter where they maybe...so where else would you look to find one...not him...it took I want to say 20 years and a whole war zone of an entire sector...for one man...one goal...one mission... Who is to say they would not put that much work into a Chapter Master --------------------------------------------------------------------- Now onto the Trial of Pedro Kantor For those of you with the New Ultramar...Space Marine Codex refer to page 48 second column those four paragraphs a quick summary for those without the codex is the Rynn World Incident where the chapter was almost decimated by a ork waagh. The Surivors are currently rebuilding the chapter... ...stop and re-read the survivors of the Chapter Fortress. and I quote "tragedy struck when one of the planet's missile guidance systems suffered a catastrophic failure, and a single plasma warhead crashed into the Crimson Fists' own fortress monastery. Somehow, the missile penetrated the fortress monastery's void shields and armored walls to detonate right in the heart of the structures' vast and ancient arsenal." Lets take that apart shall we. A planets defense missile guidance system suffered a mistake. It has been known to happen that is documented a million times over in parts of the fluff throughout the entirety of GW and their fluff teams, but for it to go straight towards a target like that is a bit outside my comfort zone. Now only that but it was a plasma warhead, which seemed to be the one needed to rip through the armored walls to detonate in the armory. While it may not be unknown they may have been a plasma warhead type defense system for their planet that I can give to them as I do not have the information available to me to know if it was a rare warhead or a majority type system. None the less the Fortress own Void Shields should have stopped it as they are set up for bombardment from orbit for hours, from fluff concerning other Chapter Homeworld Fortress I gather that information. Page 37 of the Space Marine codex for just a bit of quick info collaborates what I said here about the Void Shields when describing the White Scars fortress. To me that screams of sabotage which the Alpha Legion is the Legion who has mastered that. For it to be dropped at the last second screams that the missile was planned to hit there at that time thus it was tampered with not just a mistake. This missile of course kills over 6 full companies of marines in one instant...but what throws me off is the Chapter Master survives because he was on the outermost perimeter-defenses and thus lived where his honor guard did not. Where did they go. And who is to say that those survivors were actually Crimson Fist. The Alpha Legion got a hold of at least three Raven Guards in all the madness if they were planning it could they not get the Chapter Master if not him a High Ranking Captain. Throw in some "survivors" and what do you have here some Crimson Fist who "fight their way across the planet" ---------------------------------------------- Now this alone is not enough evidence to convict a Highly noticed and Highly Liked Chapter Master of a Second Founding from the Imperial Fist line. it is the paragraph right above it "Following the Crimson Fists' successes during the Voltigern Crusade, the High Lords of Terra granted the Chapter full feudal rights to Rynn's World. Operating from their newly built fortress monastery, the Crimson Fist launched a brutal campaign that shattered the Ork forces across the Loki Sector, fracturing the powerful empires into hundreds of disparate, rival warbands that lacks the power to threaten the sector." Think about it for a minute, the first Dawn of War game for the PC had the Word Bearers dealing with the Orks to have them provide cover for their acts for weapons and a war correct. How would that concept not work for the Alpha Legion. Who is better at organization then the Alpha Legion, who else could eliminate rival warbosses and back the one warboss who would go to war with the Crimson Fist Homeworld. Not only that but build up this Ork army so quickly and attack before even the Crimson Fist can build a decent defense and shatter the orks like that have done over and over again. That smells like Alpha Legion tactics to me. ------------------------------------------------ Individually these bits of information do you no go but together it can piece together a bigger picture that might point out that someone in power is not who they seem to be... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281933-alpha-legion-everywhere/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Don't be ridiculous. Everyone knows the real Alpha Legion Chapter Master is Logan Grimnar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281933-alpha-legion-everywhere/#findComment-3495470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronotonic Posted October 15, 2013 Author Share Posted October 15, 2013 But it stops and makes you think about it...I was reading the fluff and it hit me like a 2x4...and I thought...son of a... as for Grimnar...really...really man... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281933-alpha-legion-everywhere/#findComment-3495471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Of course, I may have just picked a random Chapter Master to draw attention away from the REAL Alpha Chapter Master...High Marshal Helbrecht. Or I could have been telling tbe truth before and am lying now. Or neither Logan nor Helbrecht are the infiltrators and it's really Calgar. Or Dante. Maybe He'Stan. Isn't trying to figure out the Alpha Legion fun! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281933-alpha-legion-everywhere/#findComment-3495473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronotonic Posted October 15, 2013 Author Share Posted October 15, 2013 HOLY MOLY YOU ARE RIGHT If I was able to figure this all out with just a few books that means that he is not really an Alpha Legion Marine .... . No wait...it is the classic I made you think I was thinking so you would think I was thinking what I thought you were thinking but was really thinking the thinking thinker of thinking of thinkerington... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281933-alpha-legion-everywhere/#findComment-3495475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakuth Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 NO! I'm Spartacus Alpharius! Well.....only on weekends..... What if it's merely a ploy by the 'loyalist' Alpha Legion faction to strengthen (through adversity) the Crimson Fists? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281933-alpha-legion-everywhere/#findComment-3495494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Immortals Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 There are no loyalist AL, no traitor AL. Such designations are strictly the concern of those outside the legion. There is only Alpha Legion, there is only war. Great concept though, I love it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281933-alpha-legion-everywhere/#findComment-3495501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gripharius Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Actually, I'm Alpharius. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281933-alpha-legion-everywhere/#findComment-3495941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Interesting thought exercise but I'll ask you this: what of psykers? If such infiltration tactics are as deep seated/rampant as the original post implies, then surely the possibility of it being uncovered by men that can read minds is just as real too. Another thought - taking this to the logical extremes - what if ALL space marines were actually Alpha Legion operatives? Can you imagine the confusion? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281933-alpha-legion-everywhere/#findComment-3495952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtoof Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I'm Alpharius and so is my wife! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281933-alpha-legion-everywhere/#findComment-3496010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 As regards the psyker issue, in "The Long Games at Carcharius" it's shown that Alpha sleeper agent indoctrination is undetectable by psykers, as the Crimson Consuls Head Librarian is taken off guard when his apprentice is "triggered". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281933-alpha-legion-everywhere/#findComment-3496048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 As regards the psyker issue, in "The Long Games at Carcharius" it's shown that Alpha sleeper agent indoctrination is undetectable by psykers, as the Crimson Consuls Head Librarian is taken off guard when his apprentice is "triggered". Ah yes, sleeper agents. I had forgotten to take those into account. What I was generally getting at was imposters and the like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281933-alpha-legion-everywhere/#findComment-3496067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
no I'm alpharius Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Actually, I'm Alpharius. *coughs politely* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281933-alpha-legion-everywhere/#findComment-3496187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakuth Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Actually, I'm Alpharius. *coughs politely* Really? I always thought you were Omegon? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281933-alpha-legion-everywhere/#findComment-3496501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Actually, I'm Alpharius. *coughs politely* Really? I always thought you were Omegon? Hmm? Did someone call me? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281933-alpha-legion-everywhere/#findComment-3496563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronotonic Posted October 16, 2013 Author Share Posted October 16, 2013 Interesting thought exercise but I'll ask you this: what of psykers? If such infiltration tactics are as deep seated/rampant as the original post implies, then surely the possibility of it being uncovered by men that can read minds is just as real too. Another thought - taking this to the logical extremes - what if ALL space marines were actually Alpha Legion operatives? Can you imagine the confusion? that is a good train of thought there but remember the Alpha Legion used their own Librarians at the time to help make sure the AL thought they were who they were acting like on top of the eating of the organs to help them...which ever gland that was to help with the memories...I am sure that over 10,000 years the skills would be so fine tuned they could get at anyone and replace them... as for the Crimson Fist Librarians uncovering the traitor in their mist for a Librarian to do that the Chapter Master could just call them out for heresy or something like that...and go from there... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281933-alpha-legion-everywhere/#findComment-3496719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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