Naminé Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Well getting a press pass isn't that hard... You just get one of those neck wallet things and print of the big word 'PRESS' on it. Seriously, it works. The trick is to go somewhere where press are actually expected :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281995-hope-for-new-plastics-now-dead/page/2/#findComment-3498145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdmLancel Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Sadly the business logic is pretty well classified. The simple truth I see is simply that they see no profit in spending considerable resources on updating the Sisters line at this time. More reasonably on sales, a lot of the trouble is that many of us who would buy a Sisters army already did, and the rest already decided long ago that they would wait for plastics. To many it is just too retro, I suppose, to buy a metal army in this plastic age. We should just look at the codex for what it is, a release to get the codex out into distribution again so that people have legal means of acquiring the rules for playing a Sisters army, with an update also provided. The rest is just a bit of a marketing nudge during the slow middle-of-the-month period between major releases. Plastics will probably still come one day. I just cannot see them leaving the Sisters in metal for all time, but it isn't a high priority for them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281995-hope-for-new-plastics-now-dead/page/2/#findComment-3498310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 I think that "dead" is overstating it. I believe that we are in entirely uncharted waters. Given how long an edition can live, we can't say that we are certain that the Sisters will not get a proper codex - and plastic release - 6th Edition. Or maybe they will get a plastic release and new models in White Dwarfs (Dwarves?) like the Eldar Nightspinner. There's no way of knowing for sure. But I agree that it looks grim. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281995-hope-for-new-plastics-now-dead/page/2/#findComment-3498333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Yeah, they're still casting. They only have two warehouses - one in Lenton, one in Memphis. There's no possible way to ship between those two more cheaply than just casting more miniatures at either end, and they're direct only so there's no stock sitting in stores or anywhere else. Miniatures going in and out of stock guarantees current production, The idea that they could be sitting on a huge pile of unsold stock is, I'm sorry, absolute desperation. They've had the best part of a decade to run the stock down, most of that while selling a huge range of metal miniatures for much more popular armies, and at any time could recast the existing stock as something else. Pewter is basically endlessly recyclable and, thanks to the current price of tin, has decent value even as scrap. Miniatures being removed from sale most likely just means the mould is worn out and it's not economical to make a new one from the masters. If you buy a Sisters of Battle miniature recently, it's in a modern white Citadel blister. Anyone seriously think they paid out to repackage everything from the old blue/grey 40k ones? Or suddenly decided, just a couple of years ago, to produce a mountain of stock in the new ones for a slow-moving direct only range? Of course not. There are case studies still floating around the net from when they built their new just-in-time warehouse and years of annual reports showing drastic reductions in how much unsold stock they have sitting on the books. This claim that Daemonhunters sold better than the Sidters did, do you have proof or is it conjecture? I'm keen to know where the evidence for this is coming from since I see this claim now and then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281995-hope-for-new-plastics-now-dead/page/2/#findComment-3498457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn Firewalker Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Ok, so what we really need is someone with a press pass to break in and interrogate the warehouse and manufacturing staff... Considering the franchise involved, perhaps an Inquisitorial Rosette is more appropriate. Now if someone would be so kind as to provide a Land Raider or its proxy- maybe the Tank Museum's Mark IV replica (http://www.tankmuseum.org/ixbin/indexplus?record=ART3437&_IXMENU_=news_and_events)- and a marine rifle squad to support our Inquisitor? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281995-hope-for-new-plastics-now-dead/page/2/#findComment-3498470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Ok, so what we really need is someone with a press pass to break in and interrogate the warehouse and manufacturing staff... Considering the franchise involved, perhaps an Inquisitorial Rosette is more appropriate. Now if someone would be so kind as to provide a Land Raider or its proxy- maybe the Tank Museum's Mark IV replica (http://www.tankmuseum.org/ixbin/indexplus?record=ART3437&_IXMENU_=news_and_events)- and a marine rifle squad to support our Inquisitor?Take Sisters, they'd be more intimidating than a bunch of blokes weilding torches. :P (and by torches, I mean flashlights not actual....you know what, forget it.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281995-hope-for-new-plastics-now-dead/page/2/#findComment-3498481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 You'd be surprised how many placed an SLR alone has gotten me into... heh. But, sadly, I can't afford that kind of shenanigan at the moment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281995-hope-for-new-plastics-now-dead/page/2/#findComment-3498489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn Firewalker Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Ok, so what we really need is someone with a press pass to break in and interrogate the warehouse and manufacturing staff... Considering the franchise involved, perhaps an Inquisitorial Rosette is more appropriate. Now if someone would be so kind as to provide a Land Raider or its proxy- maybe the Tank Museum's Mark IV replica (http://www.tankmuseum.org/ixbin/indexplus?record=ART3437&_IXMENU_=news_and_events)- and a marine rifle squad to support our Inquisitor?Take Sisters, they'd be more intimidating than a bunch of blokes weilding torches. (and by torches, I mean flashlights not actual....you know what, forget it.) Considering the technology available, I was thinking of using US Marine Corps or Royal Marines infantrymen as proxy... well, you know. As the Sisters have been described as "female space marines" (http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Female_Space_Marines#See_Also), maybe we can recruit some female marines to serve as proxy... need I finish the sentence? You'd be surprised how many placed an SLR alone has gotten me into... heh. But, sadly, I can't afford that kind of shenanigan at the moment. By SLR, do you mean "self-loading rifle," "single-lens reflex" (camera), or something else (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLR)? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281995-hope-for-new-plastics-now-dead/page/2/#findComment-3498516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Single-lens reflex, lol, although a Satellite Laser Rangefinder would be fun. Anyway, we don't want Royal Marines, we want Royal Engineers. Much scarier. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281995-hope-for-new-plastics-now-dead/page/2/#findComment-3498522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvih Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 You'd be surprised how many placed an SLR alone has gotten me into... heh.It gets you places? Generally, I find it prevents me from getting to places... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281995-hope-for-new-plastics-now-dead/page/2/#findComment-3498670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 The difference is probably that I'm a relatively young, gentle-seeming T-girl who just wants to record things for artistic and historical purposes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281995-hope-for-new-plastics-now-dead/page/2/#findComment-3498688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
derpasaurus Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 The difference is probably that I'm a relatively young, gentle-seeming T-girl who just wants to record things for artistic and historical purposes. I like how you included "-seeming." Are you really some kind of raving lunatic behind that facade of gentleness? Blood for the God Emperor, Skulls for the Golden Throne, etc? :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281995-hope-for-new-plastics-now-dead/page/2/#findComment-3508774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Orlock Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Are you really some kind of raving lunatic behind that facade of gentleness? You must be new here. I've found success infiltraiting by just walking in like I was expected and not stopping at the gate. Once your past the interface most places don't have roving patrols to boot you out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281995-hope-for-new-plastics-now-dead/page/2/#findComment-3508801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
derpasaurus Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 haha, not terribly new, I've been gone a while, though. And regardless I don't know Miko personally. She's always been nice to me and had good advice, though, so who's to say? There's always room for a surprise. lolThis board overall has always been much more inviting and less hateful, dare I even say "toxic" than the other board I used to go to... chaos. I don't hear "if you bring this you're a retard, just play space wolves instead" here. I like that. Thanks, all :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281995-hope-for-new-plastics-now-dead/page/2/#findComment-3508880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Well, I Are you really some kind of raving lunatic behind that facade of gentleness?You must be new here. Well, I do play Sisters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281995-hope-for-new-plastics-now-dead/page/2/#findComment-3508945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Orlock Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Well, I Are you really some kind of raving lunatic behind that facade of gentleness?You must be new here.Well, I do play Sisters. Golly, and here I'd planned to follow up with the notion that to collect a mostly metal army in this age is a symptom that we all belong at the Hatter's tea party alongside the March Hare and the Dormouse. ... This board overall has always been much more inviting and less hateful,... I'd like to claim I've worked earnestly to foster that culture around here, but I think it's more an artifact of how the communities self select. To be a sisters fan you must really want to be a sisters fan, not say a fan of doing well in tournys, or closetly of the vices promoted by antagonist factions. It may also be an artifact of relative community magnitude. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281995-hope-for-new-plastics-now-dead/page/2/#findComment-3508978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greggles Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 And now eddie knows how the actual sisters feel. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281995-hope-for-new-plastics-now-dead/page/2/#findComment-3508984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 To be a sisters fan you must really want to be a sisters fan, not say a fan of doing well in tournys, I may not be burning up the big international tourney scene but I do well enough in most that I attend. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281995-hope-for-new-plastics-now-dead/page/2/#findComment-3508990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Orlock Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I never said the two were mutually exclusive, just that the latter didn't historically tend to motivate the selection of the former. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281995-hope-for-new-plastics-now-dead/page/2/#findComment-3509003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Ah. You were saying the SoB were never the overpowered codex of the month, not that SoB were incapable of performing competatively. I should grow a thicker skin .... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281995-hope-for-new-plastics-now-dead/page/2/#findComment-3509042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanska Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Now that this topic went this way I do have to say I've never seen a board with this warm atmosphere... Must be all the prometheum and burning piles of heretics... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281995-hope-for-new-plastics-now-dead/page/2/#findComment-3509054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dread Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Agreed, this has been one of the few forums that has always been great to visit and the few that I get to PM have always been real helpful and not hurtful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281995-hope-for-new-plastics-now-dead/page/2/#findComment-3509347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonny Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 in my experience there's been one other board that's as welcoming and helpful and non-toxic as this one, but it's about those that tend to be munching on the legs of my marine army. Well, not just the legs... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281995-hope-for-new-plastics-now-dead/page/2/#findComment-3509403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 As Eddie said the trick is to act like you're supposed to be there and that'll get you past most :P The SoB section is a good one, but I take it none of you partake in the Guard section too because that takes the crown in friendly interaction :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281995-hope-for-new-plastics-now-dead/page/2/#findComment-3509441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyuzanriu Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 WarriorFish, by friendly do you mean, "smile and take what's given to you or I'll blow your brains out for treason"? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281995-hope-for-new-plastics-now-dead/page/2/#findComment-3509513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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