Night Lords fall

[FunkyMonkey]

Viewing the Emperor as an ends justifies the means kind of guys taken to the extreme, I think the Monarchia incident was due more to the slow progress than the Word Bearer's conquest.  The Emperor doesn't disdain religion for the sake of disdaining it.  He disdains religion because it is an obstruction to the ends he has in mind.  Had the Word Bearers figured out how to incorporate religion into the ends the Emperor desired, say by using the sheer number of worlds conquered in worship as proof of their faith, it would be highly likely that the Emperor would not have censured the Word Bearers anymore than he did to the World Eaters or Night Lords.

[Wade Garrett]

The entire Imperial Truth thing is...on the one hand you have iterators who are supposed to be stomping out all religious belief on the worlds they conquer (Horus Rising).

 

On the other hand, you have members of the Imperial Army (Legion), civilians in the heart of Ultramar (Know No Fear) and remembrancers (Prospero Burns) running around being openly "Catheric", and what seems to be a flourishing cult of Emperor worship on Terra itself (Outcast Dead).

 

Not to mention the Martian Priesthood and their adoration of the Emperor as Omnissiah, and Malcador putting the Emperor worshipping Garro in charge of his proto Grey Knights/Inquisition.

 

The end result is that Emps comes across not so much violently opposed to religion as violently TSUNDERE for it.

[Conn Eremon]

For me, the end result is that no matter what the Emperor does, humanity will inevitably go " :cuss you, I'm gonna believe in stuff anyways!"

 

Honestly, FunkyMonkey, I disagree with that entire post. The removal of religion IS one of those ends, not an obstruction. He believes that religion can only hurt humanity and strengthen the Warp, so he attempts to excise it and spread Space Atheism as a belief system. If Lorgar had improved his conquering rate, while still instilling religious practices dominantly upon those worlds, Monarchia would have still happened. Maybe even earlier, because now there would be more worlds being contrary to the Emperor's endgame schemes.

[Wade Garrett]

While I agree with Cormac that Emps is trying to herd cats as far as the shutting down religion goes, the Thousand Sons all had little daemon Pokemon they used to clean their weapons with, and the Emperor let them do their thing until Russ and Mortarion came to him yelling about witches and maleficarum.

 

And if the Emperor is so certain religion in general feeds the Warp, what was he thinking letting the order of TechnoGod worshipping cyborgs spread across the galaxy?

[Augustus]

In the recent forgeworld book "Betrayer" they state that the Emperor worship was not going on since Lorgar's ascension into the Legion. In fact Logar was careful to slowly indoctrinate the Word Bearers into the faith by easing in concepts, and with attrition only those who bought into the system remained. So you can imagine the Emperor: what's going on with the Word Bearers Malcy? They're progress is getting slower and slower?

Malcador: I dunno Boss Man. I hear many of the other legions begin talk about the seventeenth with mentions of fanaticism that borders on religiosity

Emperor: My word! Let's investigate

(Length of time due to a galaxy wide war)

--Monarchia-esque planet

Emperor: My god! He has them worshipping me as a God!

--Mind tubes Lorgar

Lorgar: your a God father admit it

Emperor: No god darnit I'm not. Now change your ways or risk censure like those other two brothers.

--In the meantime "only a god says he is not a god" is penned by a smiling Lorgar

Malcador: the Seventeenth's progress is snail like, Emperor.

Emperor: let's investigate what the hell the problem is now

--arrives on Monarchia

Emperor: facepalm GOD DANGINT!

[Kol Saresk]

Are you sure you don't mean Massacre? But if from what I've heard correctly, Lorgar wasn't the first to think so, it was actually the survivors of the Unification Wars that fought against the Emperor who penned the idea, meaning that it was a very old one, as old as the Imperium itself.

 

Possibly. But still, religion isn't the whole point of why the Word Bearers were punished at Monarchia. Since it is the most expounded upon, it is likely the most memorable part of it, similar to how Nikea was remembered as Magnus' censure rather than the disbandment of all Librarius departments.

 

Cormac, I recall the Moderati's faith being discussed("I'm not in a mood for another sermon from this damned Lecitio Divinatus chapbook", False Gods page 21). And again on page 23 when the Moderati is warned that if he says it to the wrong person, his skull will get cracked open. But no mention of being illegal.

 

I recall the Princeps telling the Moderati that he always knew about his religion and that he should have put him down a long time ago, although the fact they were shooting at each other might have influenced that last bit(Galaxy in Flames, page 298).

 

But I can't say that I recall mention of their being raids. Could you direct me to that please?

[Augustus]

Yes. I meant Massacre. Thank you, Kol.

 

We'll. we know that the space marines sans the Word Bearers did not seem to tolerate the lectito. It's is also likely that in the myriad of planets in the Imperium it was allowed and supported. Possibly even in some of the non space marine fleets.