Charlo Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Certainly would considering the Arlatax are supposed to be Domitar/ Iron circle with jump packs :D Plaguecaster 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/52/#findComment-4384088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Yeah, you'd lose the inbuilt cannon if you swapped the Arlatax power claw for an arc scourge. Probably worth it, as it makes them multi-taskers, and they'll still get a bonus attack for having 2 weapons. It should also be noted that the arc scourge gives them Rampage and Concussive when attacking with it, so it can be brutal against a lot of targets! Still, it's hard to take 1 of them over 1.8 Castellax... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/52/#findComment-4384095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 (edited) Wait so does that mean they have a cannon per claw? so can fire 6 str 6 ap4 shots since they come with 2 claws normally Edited May 4, 2016 by teutonicavenger Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/52/#findComment-4384122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Well, as they have a Cybernetica Cortex (which allows MC's to fire 3 weapons), they can fire both of their inbuilt cannons AND the plasma blaster. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/52/#findComment-4384344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Anyone have the idea of using Domitar on stilts to represent Arlatax? Plaguecaster 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/52/#findComment-4384346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A/O Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 For clarification, if you can give Autek Mor a Cyber-familiar I assume you can also give one to Shadrak Meduson also? Could you give one to Ferrus Manus? Or has that been FAQed? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/52/#findComment-4386355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Ferrus can't because he doesn't have LA:IH but Meduson can definitely get one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/52/#findComment-4386356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 No point in give one to Ferrus even if you could; it caps at 3++ Slips 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/52/#findComment-4386414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 For clarification, if you can give Autek Mor a Cyber-familiar I assume you can also give one to Shadrak Meduson also? Could you give one to Ferrus Manus? Or has that been FAQed? Why would you even be able to do this? They are unique characters and if upgrades are not mentioned in their unit entry how on earth do you justify slipping a cyber-familiar on them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/52/#findComment-4386558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 For clarification, if you can give Autek Mor a Cyber-familiar I assume you can also give one to Shadrak Meduson also? Could you give one to Ferrus Manus? Or has that been FAQed? Why would you even be able to do this? They are unique characters and if upgrades are not mentioned in their unit entry how on earth do you justify slipping a cyber-familiar on them? RAW any character with LA:IH can take one. I agree with you, it's very iffy - but in the same manner people give some AL characters Power Daggers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/52/#findComment-4386646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Still, it's hard to take 1 of them over 1.8 Castellax... Nah, I've heard this before, but its the same as saying "I have a Sicaran so there's no reason to take a Medusa." They're both armored vehicles, but they have radically different roles that can't really be traded for the other. Arlatax are purpose built to be big-stuff killers, monstrous/gartantuan creatures, Primarchs and the like. Castellax are meant to be the Mechanicum mainstay; reliable but much less specialized. I would much rather have the single Arlatax (or in my case the Homonculex, cause I'm all traitor) than even two castellax against greater daemons, primarchs or some of the 40k tom foolery. Ever tried to catch a Wraithknight with a Castellax posse? :D Charlo 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/52/#findComment-4386812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Still, it's hard to take 1 of them over 1.8 Castellax... Nah, I've heard this before, but its the same as saying "I have a Sicaran so there's no reason to take a Medusa." They're both armored vehicles, but they have radically different roles that can't really be traded for the other. Arlatax are purpose built to be big-stuff killers, monstrous/gartantuan creatures, Primarchs and the like. Castellax are meant to be the Mechanicum mainstay; reliable but much less specialized. I would much rather have the single Arlatax (or in my case the Homonculex, cause I'm all traitor) than even two castellax against greater daemons, primarchs or some of the 40k tom foolery. Ever tried to catch a Wraithknight with a Castellax posse? In addition to that, once you upgrade castellax, they are almost Domitar range in cost. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/52/#findComment-4387020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Plus Arlatax are jump pack monstrous creatures so they are more of a threat with their maneuverability plus with their deadly arsenal (which you get all at base cost) they would be the bane of the most infantry squads who they would easily carve through Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/52/#findComment-4387363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 (edited) ^Certain types of infantry. I'd be careful with the type of infantry you target with them. Marines will probably go down pretty quickly, but even a charging Arly only gets, what 4 attacks hitting on 4s? The extra from rampage definitely helps and will help you get through standard marines faster, but then you have to trade Str9, which can be a big issue if you're trying to kill off a character or 2W terminators. Terminators are another problem as well. 50% of your wounds just disappear on that 4++. Then you get chainfists. Or fearless, rending cultists. Those might actually suck more than terminators. Be smart with what you charge with them, is what I'm saying Edited May 6, 2016 by Flint13 BLACK BLΠFLY and Plaguecaster 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/52/#findComment-4387376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 The Arlatax will be primarily a bully unit. You smash it down a flank and aim for the backfield peices. Once they have gone through that, they can go for shooty support/denial with mop up capabilities. Plaguecaster 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/52/#findComment-4388212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 So anyone else slowly building towards armoured breakthrough? I have been inching my way towards getting predators for the troop slots. Laser destroyer vindicator is on the way as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/52/#findComment-4391762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadmus Tyro Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Quick question brothers, can we take domitar ferrum class battle automata via HotG? I appreciate it may not be the best tactical decision, but the models are awesome! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/52/#findComment-4392270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Nope. They are Iron Warriors only. Alpha Legion can steal them though! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/52/#findComment-4392286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadmus Tyro Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Thanks for the condescending italics, they are battle automata, HotG allows you to take any battle automata as an elites choice. I understand they are a Iron warriors legion specific unit, but I would say HotG overrides that.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/52/#findComment-4392321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Thanks for the condescending italics, they are battle automata, HotG allows you to take any battle automata as an elites choice. I understand they are a Iron warriors legion specific unit, but I would say HotG overrides that.... No need for the defensive posture, he did it in jest. Hence the smiley. HotG doesn't overide legion specific restrictions as far as I know. Fenbain and Caillum 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/52/#findComment-4392340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Sorry, it wasn't meant to be condescending. Just a cheeky emphasis. :P It actually says, "Legio Cybernetica Battle-automata Maniples may be included as Elites choice within the army..." Given the fact that Perturabo designed the Domitar-Ferrum (and after Phall, at that), it's unlikely the Iron Hands had access to that tech. They also aren't available to the Legio Cybernetica, so I guess that rules them out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/52/#findComment-4392345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 ^^ Pretty much that. Battle-Automata they might be, they're still a Legiones Astartes: Iron Warriors unit (despite not having the rule) and not Legio Cybernetica. I highly doubt a unit that Perturabo can take as a Command Squad and that, per the fluff, he built himself post-Phall, that they would be available to Iron Hands. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/52/#findComment-4392354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadmus Tyro Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 (edited) "No need for the defensive posture, he did it in jest. Hence the smiley. HotG doesn't overide legion specific restrictions as far as I know." Agreed, clearly read too much into that, sorry Callum. For me, the grief of our Ferrus' death is still to near... Edited May 12, 2016 by Cadmus Tyro Caillum and Memento Of Prospero 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/52/#findComment-4392356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 (edited) We should take the "Aliens" meme and replace it with "Alpha Legion". Because thats how I feel about them due to all the "Oh, that nice shiny legion specific unit you've got? Yeah well we have it too but it can infiltrate now." shenanigans. Edited May 12, 2016 by Slipstreams Cadmus Tyro 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/52/#findComment-4392359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadmus Tyro Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 I suppose the other option is starting a fourth space marine army..... ThatOneMarshal 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/282497-hh10-iron-hands-tactics/page/52/#findComment-4392363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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