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So he beat Kha'Banda. Good for him. Lorgar Aurelian, in his "runt of the Primarch litter" phase, went up against An'ggrath the Unbound, a bigger, meaner Greater Daemon of Khorne, and beat it. So nope, still not impressed.

 

And the quote you put up is from a poisoned by Chaos and half out of his mind Horus, who would shortly make brilliant decisions like "Hey Erebus. You used black magic to pretend to be my dead son, but so what. Tell me more about worshipping evil hell gods."

 

Defying the Nikea Edict is a qualifier for how great a Primarch is? Awesomesauce.

 

Angron and Magnus are now demonstrably greater Primarchs than Dorn and Guilliman.

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Erebus why why why he needs to get his soon, even the name rankles. It is unfortunate that Erebus an Kor Phaeron are with Lorgar why put them with a primarch that is already so broken Lorgar is no schemer or tactician he is a philosopher by nature. He seems the youngest child who adores his father and because he worships him as a god his father disaproves. I think Lorga was ahead of his time if had waited he would have been ok because Keeler and the rest with their lecitio divinatatus are pretty much calling on the emperor as a god to help in times of need. 

Wade Garrett Veteran

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Again, my issue is that Black Library is constantly telling me how great Sanguinus is, but they have produced very little steak to go with this sizzle.

 

Guilliman is mentioned by several brothers as a great strategist, his 500 worlds are admired by characters as diverse as Khârn and Magnus, and he's a scrappy fellow who is quite willing to mix it up with Lorgar, Angron, and Konrad Curze.

 

Johnson is repeatedly stated to be a great general and swordsman, and he backs it up by putting Curze in a coma and shattering his Legion at Thramas, not to mention punching out Fateweaver, a Greater Daemon of Tzeencht.

 

Even Corax frees the people of Deliverance from the tech guilds and beats the daylights out of Lorgar.

 

I repeat, if Sanguinus is such a great leader then why isn't his Legion numbered among the elite? And if he isn't a great strategist and doesn't lead his Legion to glory, why is he a potential Warmaster?

 

Because if good looks are the only qualification for the office, then ALL HAIL WARMASTER FULGRIM!

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I understand we are not getting the proverbial bang for our buck when it comes to sanguinius. Yes there is a lack of written glories attributed to Sanguinius,but I think his mental attributes speak for themselves. im not talking about a hardened person like curze or even the the wise knight like figure of The Lion. Im speaking of his overall leader like persona his legion reminds me of the luna wolves ibecause they have the same brother hood, a cool informal attitude unlike the structured regimen of guilleman. This being said maybe the point is to not draw attention to Sanguinius and the blood angles and their inherent gene seed flaw. a flaw that sends them into a butchers nails like rage. Sanguinius cares for his men and is so concerned that he will not ask for help fearing that the emperor will resort to the most drastic measures. He is apparently enough of a threat, or at least perceived as one, to be lured to signus prime all to achieve his annihilation. So dangerous it is wished he be destroyed rather than turned.

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The big problem with Sanguinius is ... the book about Sanguinius ....Fear to Tread was such a disapointment for me.

All the primarchs were important in the HH , but before the HH series there were two icon : Horus , the rebel son , and Sanguinius , the martyr.

Sanguinius first apparition in the novel were great , showing him as an aetheral character with a sort of mistery

Swallow is not bad as Gav Thorpe but , Sanguinius deserved a better writer than him.

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I think Swallow is capable of great writing (see Flight of the Eisenstein), but can't help but agree that Fear to Tread was disappointing. I just don't feel like he gave the Blood Angels much character; at least not enough to really set them apart from other legions.

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Agree with you Dumah , Eisenstein was a good book.

Fear to Tread was not a "bad book" but all the supposed "great moment of heroicness" (specially with Sanguinius) were just...disapointed.

 

About Swallow , his dyptic about Blood Angel was just normal ...not good...not bad...

 

I don't say "never gave him a HH novel to write" but a such heroic and important moment as Signus Prime , Calth , Prospero...should only be given to BL Top writers (for me ADB , Abnett and McNeill )

 

But I think they should change the fact of "one author for one legion" soon .

Apparently at the Weekender Abnett just said he will write about Dark Angel.

I suppose the BL have received a lot of complain by DA Fanboy about letting Gav Thorpe writing all the DA Novels...

Kol Saresk Venerable Brother

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Actually Gav Thorpe has only written one short story IIRC. So far the DA have been written by Mitchell Scanlon, Mike Lee, A D-B, Gav Thorpe and Dan Abnett. A very wide net has been cast, but so far only two authors have met decent success.

 

The Raven Guard on the other hand, have almost exclusively(as a Legion) been written by Gav Thorpe.

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I think that Mike Lee got a bad deal: Fallen Angels was much, much better that Descent of Angels, and though it wasn't a *great* book I can't help but think that his hands were somewhat tied by Scanlon. He was forced to work with the previous author's characters and the state of the narrative he was left with.

 

 

 

Apparently at the Weekender Abnett just said he will write about Dark Angel.

 

He'll no doubt give us some groundbreaking new reveal about how all the watchers are mini emperor clones or something.

 

All kidding aside, he probably will do something revelatory... Or he damn well better! If Abnett can't raise up the 1st Legion from mediocrity, no one can! After seeing his take on the DA in Unremembered Empire (brief though it was), I'm positively ecstatic at the prospect of him taking the reigns.

 

Edit: Scribe of Khorne read my mind! Also, who/what do I make blood sacrifices to in order to ensure that Mr. Abnett writes the destruction of Caliban and the final battle between Luther and the Lion?

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A book about Luther alone in caliban would be great...

 

But as Dumah the author are enslaved by what was written before by the other authors.And as author often write books in the same time as other author AND with the same characters sometimes it happen strange stories.

 

Example : the "Falling Primarch from the sky" in Unremembered Empire is in a different state of mind than in the previous book where he was depicted ...

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Grey Angel is a pretty awesome glimpse inside the mind of Luther. I can't wait to read Unremembered Empire (I've been told Christmas is when I shall get it wallbash.gif ) Also can someone lend some light on the description of The Lion's armor?

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Kurze has interested me for some time and i will be sure to check those books out. On the subject of Sanguinius If you read fear to tread he is totally in command at all times, yes he may not be the best strategist or swordsman but he has certain qualities that others lack. He is a leader of men fist and foremost he leads from the front engaging the enemy rather than from a rear command. He inspires those around him. Sanguinius also has wisdom that is lacking in other primarchs he is always calm cool and collected because he makes wise decisions and doesnt hasily run into any situation. His troops loyalty is unwavering even going as far as defying the council of nikea o help sanguinus. Yes they defied the emperors command but their loyalty is a reflection of whom they serve. The blood angels are loyal to sanguinus just as he is loyal to the emperor. In fear to tread we also see his bad to the bone side as he confronts Ka'bandha.

 

 

Yeah. Put 'Horus' each time you write Sanguinius and 'Sons of Horus' instead of Blood Angels, and most of it is still true.

Horus is, by far, the greatest leader of men of all the Primarchs, that's why he was n°1, and it is also the reason why daddy chose him to took his place for the rest of the Great Crusade. And if you take a close look at the Sons of Horus, their rise and their demise, you'll quickly get that Horus goes even beyond inspiring his men.

And Ka'bandha ? Really ? I mean, Horus wrecked the emperor so bad he has been eating psyker soup for the last 10k years.

I could see Sanguinius getting out of the mass of his brothers as the mutant that is so full of grace it's disturbing. He's probably as great as his brothers, but that is most likely what makes him Sanguinius.

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Grey Angel is a pretty awesome glimpse inside the mind of Luther. I can't wait to read Unremembered Empire (I've been told Christmas is when I shall get it wallbash.gif ) Also can someone lend some light on the description of The Lion's armor?

Here you go sir:

"The Lion's black armour was richly engraved and inlaid with red gold. The chestplate and pauldrons displayed all the interconnected icons and symbols of his Legion, the complex heraldry of the Dark Angels hierarchies, visible and invisible. All the secret hosts, thrones and powers of the First Legion's secret structure were represented there, united by the central insignia, the six-pointed hexagrammaton. He wore the pelt of a forest beast across his right shoulder, and the golden badge of a shrouded urn at his throat."

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Agreed I'm looking forward to seeing Dan's take on the Lion. Although to be fair I'd be happy with anyone tackling him just sticking to a plan rather than making it up over and over. I made a post along these lines in the Dark Angels forum about how every author so far has taken a different approach to him, and with 5 authors that's a pain. Thankfully it appears DA is going to build on ADB's take from Savage Weapons, which imo was pretty much spot on what I envisioned. 

 

On the matter of Sanguinius, he did get a raw deal in Fear to Tread which wasn't the worst book that BL have put out for the HH (those that shall not be named) but fell flat on the note of the Blood Angels glorious introduction to the series. I can't help but feel that they lack something when set in 30k compared to 40k (heroic struggle against the thirst/rage, being undermined by the very things that make them what they are etc). Hopefully as things progress forwards after Unremembered Empire we'll see them become more prominent. As for Sanguinius' prowess, Lorgar tells Horus straight, when Sangy comes to smack face the only 2 who are going to give as good as they get will be him (Horus) and Angron. If the other 15 would get pimp handed, especially given some of those 15, that should tell you all you need to know about just how hard as nails he really is.

 

ADB has posted somewhere about really wanting to write a Blood Angels story somewhere so who knows? Might get lucky

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TheAurelian, on 04 Nov 2013 - 03:30, said:

I have been HH fan for about two years now and have read a decent number of books so far. I have recently come to favor books written by Aaron Dembski-Bowden, more so than the other authors. His writing style is unique to HH authors and his books keep me constantly entertained. Not only does he provide depth to characters but he does it so unlike the other authors that the characters take on a new perspective. Particularly in Betrayer I felt for the first time empathy and regret toward characters I normally had an intense dislike for. The way that ADB portrays Lorgar in The First Heretic made me feel sad. Sad i think is a great word to describe Lorgars situation, because through no fault of his own he is driven into an exile to try to redeem himself at least in his eyes. BUT EREBUS on the other hand I have some choice words for censored.gif censored.gif censored.gifverymad.gif . Oh what I wouldnt give to see that worm torn aprt by the hands of some long lost foe whose righteous hatred burns with the power of 10,000 suns. Specificly some hulking Grey Knight with a power maul or a lightning claw. If I could have any way i wanted there would be a side story that brings Argel Tal (the Last Angel) back somehow. He is one of my favorite characters because he has such conviction drawn onto betrayal only by his loyalty to Lorgarermm.gif who speaks of morals even with a deamon in his hearts. cry.gif cry.gif If Lorgar could only be redeemed I know there is a battle at the end of 40K and russ is supposed to return and a bunch of other stuff also can some one elaborate on what the deamon primarchs do in the eye of terror ????

Taking a step back a minute... Erebus also gets his butt handed to him in Betrayer too which I took great delight in! He defo loses some 'face' there too msn-wink.gif

*Edit - i see Kol_Saresk has referred to this, this was sooo good!

Fabius defo has to be next on the list though!

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