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Balthamal Venerable Brother

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I keep thinking back to Blood Reaver when he discusses the nature of the Legion with Xarl and how he always believed that, at least during the Great Crusade, the Night Lords were the weapon used to break enemies through fear and not as Xarl believes a band of killers roaming the galaxy slaying as they chose.

 

Mercutian even says he took pride in being that weapon, rather than a sadistic murderer. Probably an offshoot of his worldy view, him being heir to a crime syndicate instead of fighting and bleeding in the gutters like most 

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I keep thinking back to Blood Reaver when he discusses the nature of the Legion with Xarl and how he always believed that, at least during the Great Crusade, the Night Lords were the weapon used to break enemies through fear and not as Xarl believes a band of killers roaming the galaxy slaying as they chose.

 

Mercutian even says he took pride in being that weapon, rather than a sadistic murderer. Probably an offshoot of his worldy view, him being heir to a crime syndicate instead of fighting and bleeding in the gutters like most 

Officers and Enlisted lol.

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Not saying he was a nice guy, and he still used fear as a weapon, but the murder of a poor old man suffering from heart failure pales in comparison to Cyrion killing a 7 year old.

Oh yeah that's right, I got it mixed up. Makes more sense now lol, that's definitely a Cyrion move.

Wade Garrett Veteran

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Eh, there's "Was noble for a member of VIII Legion" but that is not a high bar to climb. AT ALL.

 

And the none of the atrocities in Void Stalker except the torture of the psykers were necessary for any sort of higher purpose, it was simply the Night Lords glutting themselves on sadism and mortal fear.

 

That Mercutian walked the world's surface and partook pretty well excludes him from any claims to nobility that aren't modified with phrases like "for a serial killer" or "compared to Asdrubal Vect".

Karthak Battle-Brother

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I keep thinking back to Blood Reaver when he discusses the nature of the Legion with Xarl and how he always believed that, at least during the Great Crusade, the Night Lords were the weapon used to break enemies through fear and not as Xarl believes a band of killers roaming the galaxy slaying as they chose.

 

Mercutian even says he took pride in being that weapon, rather than a sadistic murderer. Probably an offshoot of his worldy view, him being heir to a crime syndicate instead of fighting and bleeding in the gutters like most 

If I remember correctly, The second Forge World Horus Heresy book validates this point of view. It's quite interesting, actually. These past few years, it has seemed to me that Talos and Sahaal were completely deluded regarding the nature of their Legion. But Massacre pretty much states flat out that originally the VIIIth Legion was intentionally used by the Emperor to terrify his enemies into submittion.

 

Then Nostramo was discovered, and it all went wrong.

Kol Saresk Venerable Brother

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Err, yes and no. Talos and Sahaal were of the belief that was the Legion's function after Konrad Curze was found. That Curze was the Emperor's assassin and they were his blade. And that afterwards, they were all cast aside and that is why they turned. It is and isn't a delusion because like all lies, it's a small truth that was added to, twisted and perverted to fit a specific image.
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The Highlander Battle-Brother

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Sanguinus, Sanguinus, Sanguinus, SANGUINUS.

 

I've heard about all I can stand of everyone singing his praises. Did he heal his homeworld like Vulkan and Corax did? Nope, ten thousand years later and Baal is still a radioactive hellhole infested with cannibal mutants.

 

Were the Blood Angels one of the "glory" Legions during the Great Crusade? Nope, that's the Luna Wolves, Ultramarines, Dark Angels, and apparently the Word Bearers. (The First Heretic)

 

When the Primarchs and their Astartes debated the "Space Wolves as Executioners" issue, did they list the Blood Angels as a possible alternative?

 

No, that's the Thousand Sons, World Eaters, Death Guard, Ultramarines, and Luna Wolves. (Betrayer)

 

Sanguinus isn't numbered among the best swordsmen (Fulgrim, Johnson, Khan) or the greatest generals (Dorn, Johnson, Guilliman, Horus).

 

So why in all the infinite Hells of the Warp does everyone keep talking about how he should have been Warmaster instead of Horus?

 

Because he's a sparkling fairy man with beautiful wings? BAH!

 

 

First off: Sanguinius didn't "heal" his world, he killed a planet worth of super-mutants and united dozens of waring tribes. He is also listed as being one of the only two Ptimarchs able of holding his ground in a bttle against Angron ( the other being Horus) he had an amaxing tactical mind, and your so called amazing general Guilliman even said that he was one of the four greatest primarchs ( others being Russ, Dorn and Ferrus.

He should have been Warmaster because he was one of the best combatants, best generals, most ferocious, artistic, humanitarian, intelligent and cunning.

The wings just make him look badass

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Considering that ten thousand years later Baalians are still getting killed by mutants and one another, Sanguinus didn't do nearly as much uniting or killing as he should have.

 

In comparison, the people of Noctrune and Deliverance haven't been troubled by the tech guilds or the dark eldar because their Primarchs knew how to finish a job.

 

And Guilliman's dauntless few are those he felt would complement his Ultramarines best in a battle, not who he considers the bestest best of all time ever.

 

Listed as a better fighter than Angron? Yes he is...by Lorgar. In the same novel where Lorgar spends a significant portion of it locked in his room scribbling the crazy in his mind on the walls and floor.

 

Sorry, but being the second prettiest Primarch after Fulgrim qualifies him to be Warmaster in the eyes of no one except a delirious Chaos tainted Horus.

depthcharge12 Venerable Brother

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Yeah Sanguinus knew that his people the Baalites weren't pansies and could manhandle mutants on their own. He didn't need to go around exterminating them because his planet was made of weak fools and politicans who cant get anything done on their own.

 

 

 

Matter of fact, the Baalites nuked eachother so that they could have cannibal mutants because they were bored of killing eachother.

 

 

"Thats the truth", says radical inquisitor Shamwowius.

Brother Ambroz Venerable Brother

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Sanguinius is the best close combat second to Russ I think can't remember where I read it and when I mean close combat I mean like karate or mixed martial arts

Uh, it flat out states somewhere in the first three books I believe that Angron, Horus and Sanguinus were the top three when it comes to close combat.

 

I really enjoyed reading all these classifications of Night Lords brothers. If I had to classify myself....I think I'd be either an Acerbian (sp?) or Sevatarian. :P

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Kurze has interested me for some time and i will be sure to check those books out. On the subject of Sanguinius If you read fear to tread he is totally in command at all times, yes he may not be the best strategist or swordsman but he has certain qualities that others lack. He is a leader of men fist and foremost he leads from the front engaging the enemy rather than from a rear command. He inspires those around him. Sanguinius also has wisdom that is lacking in other primarchs he is always calm cool and collected because he makes wise decisions and doesnt hasily run into any situation. His troops loyalty is unwavering even going as far as defying the council of nikea o help sanguinus. Yes they defied the emperors command but their loyalty is a reflection of whom they serve. The blood angels are loyal to sanguinus just as he is loyal to the emperor. In fear to tread we also see his bad to the bone side as he confronts Ka'bandha.

 

 

Yeah. Put 'Horus' each time you write Sanguinius and 'Sons of Horus' instead of Blood Angels, and most of it is still true.

Horus is, by far, the greatest leader of men of all the Primarchs, that's why he was n°1, and it is also the reason why daddy chose him to took his place for the rest of the Great Crusade. And if you take a close look at the Sons of Horus, their rise and their demise, you'll quickly get that Horus goes even beyond inspiring his men.

And Ka'bandha ? Really ? I mean, Horus wrecked the emperor so bad he has been eating psyker soup for the last 10k years.

I could see Sanguinius getting out of the mass of his brothers as the mutant that is so full of grace it's disturbing. He's probably as great as his brothers, but that is most likely what makes him Sanguinius.

All true, but how much of Horus was left in "Horus" when he faced the emperor.

 

I am guessing not much.

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I have to disagree with your very last point; Horus was still Horus in the end, he wasn't like Fulgrim with the Laer Blade and Fulgrim without. Most of the traitor primarchs could be said to have been on narcotics out of their minds, be it Angron with his Nails and grief or... eh... Fulgrim with his blade (ok, not most of them).

 

Horus was merely the rash redneck son slugging his father with a 12 gauge (who was laying the Xmas presents in the dead of night) after his mother assured him "your cheating father is away cheating".

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I have to disagree with your very last point; Horus was still Horus in the end, he wasn't like Fulgrim with the Laer Blade and Fulgrim without. Most of the traitor primarchs could be said to have been on narcotics out of their minds, be it Angron with his Nails and grief or... eh... Fulgrim with his blade (ok, not most of them).

 

Horus was merely the rash redneck son slugging his father with a 12 gauge (who was laying the Xmas presents in the dead of night) after his mother assured him "your cheating father is away cheating".

 

He may have been 'himself', but he was also "infused with the power of chaos", I believe is how it's put.

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Kurze has interested me for some time and i will be sure to check those books out. On the subject of Sanguinius If you read fear to tread he is totally in command at all times, yes he may not be the best strategist or swordsman but he has certain qualities that others lack. He is a leader of men fist and foremost he leads from the front engaging the enemy rather than from a rear command. He inspires those around him. Sanguinius also has wisdom that is lacking in other primarchs he is always calm cool and collected because he makes wise decisions and doesnt hasily run into any situation. His troops loyalty is unwavering even going as far as defying the council of nikea o help sanguinus. Yes they defied the emperors command but their loyalty is a reflection of whom they serve. The blood angels are loyal to sanguinus just as he is loyal to the emperor. In fear to tread we also see his bad to the bone side as he confronts Ka'bandha.

 

Yeah. Put 'Horus' each time you write Sanguinius and 'Sons of Horus' instead of Blood Angels, and most of it is still true.

Horus is, by far, the greatest leader of men of all the Primarchs, that's why he was n°1, and it is also the reason why daddy chose him to took his place for the rest of the Great Crusade. And if you take a close look at the Sons of Horus, their rise and their demise, you'll quickly get that Horus goes even beyond inspiring his men.

And Ka'bandha ? Really ? I mean, Horus wrecked the emperor so bad he has been eating psyker soup for the last 10k years.

I could see Sanguinius getting out of the mass of his brothers as the mutant that is so full of grace it's disturbing. He's probably as great as his brothers, but that is most likely what makes him Sanguinius.

About that Ka'Bhanda comment...

This is the second time I've gone, shall we call it "Blood Templar" for reasons you shall see, in a week so I apologise to all Fabius Bile clones and Khornate daemons for mentioning the name of the one who PWNED you, but the first time Ka'Bhanda snapped Sanguinius' legs, and even crippled Sanguinius was still screaming death threats and fighting. He only passed out because of the psychic back-lash of Ka'Bhanda killing close to a codex chapter's worth of his sons, and then on Terra the Bloodletter got curb stomped by Sanguinius, who the proceeds to hold the Eternity gate against no less than eight Legions BY HIMSELF, and then managed to put a dibilating wound in the anti-emperor.

And Horus only pwned Space Jesus because all the gods funelled all their power into him.

So yeah. Sanguinius rocks.

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