Betrayer. Thoughts, queries, equestions. Spoilers, duh.

[betrayer41]

Well, according to the old Index Astartes articles Ferrus Manus spoke in Rob's favor when he and Dorn were screaming at one another debating the Codex Astartes.

 

So...another returning dead guy to look forward too. Because with Loken, Cyrene, Eidolon, and Torgaddon why not? I can't (gag) wait for Gabriel Santar, Legatus Orfeo, and Hastur Sejanus to save the day at the (retch, dry heave) Siege.

 

In the possibly not as blindingly bright as it could be far future, no important character ever dies.

Wait torgaddon isn't dead?

[Kol Saresk]

No, he is. But somewhere afterwards he was perverted into a daemon, which would be homage to that really old tidbit that our souls become daemons. Or a daemon took his name. One of the two. Anyway, he's casually listed in Know No Fear as Tormageddon.

[Hyaenidae]

I think it has to do with an old piece of art from the collected visions book, showing a Sons of Horus Chieftain (who looked corrupt as all get-out) named Tormageddon.

[Kol Saresk]

Possibly. Although itd be funky that he was at Calth if that be the case.

[Hyaenidae]

Hell, for all I know, Erebus will tear Torgaddon's soul screaming from the warp, corrupt him, clad him in the flesh of a dead Astartes, all just to screw with Loken (who should have remained dead, grrrrrr.... )

[Wade Garrett]

Hell, for all I know, Erebus will tear Torgaddon's soul screaming from the warp, corrupt him, clad him in the flesh of a dead Astartes, all just to screw with Loken (who should have remained dead, grrrrrr.... )

 

 I believe Betrayer implies that's exactly what happened, given that upon hearing about it from Erebus Argel Tal goes on his "You can bring back dead people? CYRENE! CYRENE! CYRENE!" to which Erebus replies "For you, my son, anything."

 

Probably while thinking "Sheesh, I tell an epic tale of betrayal and exploding suns, hordes of daemons reaving across Calth's surface, Guilliman's lap dogs butchered in droves, and the only you thing you can think about is a dead teenage girl."

[GhostMalone]

Hey she may look like a teenager but her ID says otherwise :P

[Conn Eremon]

Isn't she kind of old by that point? It had been a few decades since they picked the girl up.

 

Unless Argel Tal specifically requests she be brought back as a teenager.

 

In which case, ewwwww . . .

[GhostMalone]

I thought she was over 70 when she died

 

I remember from the first heretic something about rejuvenant surgeries

[Scribe]

I believe the rejuv treatments had her sitting in her 20's perpetually, realistically though she would have been I believe in her 80's when she died?

[Wade Garrett]

Well, the last time she had eyesight was as an 18 year old on Khur before the Ultramarines blew up Monarchia. So...

[Conn Eremon]

Do reincarnations carry over juvenat treatments?

[Scribe]

I suppose? Do they reverse ageing? They must, as someone remarks on it near the end of TFS. So lets say she restores to the point where she was biologically upon death?

 

I dont know, I felt it was weird she came back at all until I saw ADB's explanation of her purpose.

[Kol Saresk]

Juvenats halt the aging process. They do not reverse it. But the older the person, the more extensive the treatments, which is why it usually becomes obvious as time goes on.

[Conn Eremon]

But how does that occur. Plastic Surgery? superficial modifications, genetic changes?

 

And what constitutes their form at the moment of the reincarnation? Mental image? State at time of death? Would that include changes made to body, appearance or genetics?

 

And why am I being so fastidious about a topic I care so little about.?

[Kol Saresk]

Yep.

[Hyaenidae]

When I imagine Rejuv treatments, I imagine a creepy lair full of mechanicus psychos, filling their victims....er... subjects with toxic chemicals that restore cell regeneration across the board. As the decades go on, the chemical buildup of repeat treatments give the subject a super-duper creepy porcelain doll appearance.

 

All in my head, of course.

[Kol Saresk]

When I imagine Rejuv treatments, I imagine a creepy lair full of mechanicus psychos, filling their victims....er... subjects with toxic chemicals that restore cell regeneration across the board. As the decades go on, the chemical buildup of repeat treatments give the subject a super-duper creepy porcelain doll appearance.

 

All in my head, of course.

That sounds....... Grimdark. B)

 

YEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAWWW!

[GhostMalone]

I always thought of it like a slow degredation of the body, aging is slowed so you could be 70 and look 20 or be 150 and look 40 so your still aging just at a redacted slower rate till your body just collapses

[Emperor's Scourge]

Abnett lightly touches on rejuv treatments in hisProspero and Inquisition novels.  The process in 40K is probably less effective and semi barbaric in comparison to 30k tech, but it's not described as a pleasant process.

 

He uses the words "Gene scrape" I believe.

[Wade Garrett]

I seem to vaguely recall something about cloning a whole new young person's body and implanting the brain in it, but that may be a different sci fi franchise.

[Marshal Rohr]

I'd imagine if we've already discovered the gene that causes aging now, in 30k they just replace it with a younger version or something a science major could explain better than I can. It would be awkward to go through puberty three or four times though.

[Carach]

I suppose? Do they reverse ageing? They must, as someone remarks on it near the end of TFS. So lets say she restores to the point where she was biologically upon death?

 

I dont know, I felt it was weird she came back at all until I saw ADB's explanation of her purpose.

what was that explanation?

[Kol Saresk]

Yet to be resolved plotline

[Wade Garrett]

 

 

 

 

I suppose? Do they reverse ageing? They must, as someone remarks on it near the end of TFS. So lets say she restores to the point where she was biologically upon death?

 

I dont know, I felt it was weird she came back at all until I saw ADB's explanation of her purpose.

what was that explanation?

"I AM BOWDEN, SON OF BOWDEN! EACH TIME YOU QUESTION ONE OF MY PLOTS I MOVE THE RELEASE DATE FOR "THE TALON OF HORUS" BACK ANOTHER MONTH! NOW, DO YOU WISH TO CONTINUE TO WHINE, OR TO SHOWER ME WITH THE APPROVAL THAT IS MY DUE?"

 

/not really what happened at all.