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The dilemma of arming a Razorback.


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I'm sure that this has probably been done to death through out all editions of the game but I couldn't put my hand on a post for it so here goes.

 

I play Dark Angels and have 2 razorbacks (1 with the heavy bolters and one with the las).

 

I'm looking to give my trusty Ravenwing a rest as its all I have been playing for the last 2 years and as I haven't got my Deathwing to where I'd like it to be, in built and painted terms, I thought I'd go back to my green marines.

 

Looking at the current cost of a Razorback and noticing that there isn't anything in points terms between most of the up grades for the turrets. What is possibly the best way to arm one of these work horses of the Imperium? I'm not looking for in this scenario or that. Just a solid choice that's a good all rounder.

 

The two that I'm Looking at are the las plas and the twin linked assault cannon. I can see benifits for both. Las and plas is good meq killer and resonable armour breaker while the assault cannons are good alround troop killers, can deal with light and some mid range armour and with 4 shots twin linked could be used against flyers.

 

I'm leaning towards the assault cannons but before I start convering, I thought I'd get some views from the greater community.

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im never sure about upgrading my razorback armaments these days, as they are really non-durable, and you arent gonna be popping smoke with them as they should be firing.

 

I play space wolves, not sure on the DA points cost, but for me, the 30 odd points it costs to upgrade to TL ass.cannons over a twin linked heavy bolter just isn't worth it, even though i wish it was as assault cannon razorbacks just look awesome.

I used to play las/plas razorbacks quite a bit, as they can dual-role depending on the circumstances (sit back and support heavies with an extra lascannnon, then drive forward to intercept enemy units and plasma them).

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What is possibly the best way to arm one of these work horses of the Imperium? I'm not looking for in this scenario or that. Just a solid choice that's a good all rounder.

 

Okay, well the two free options (default heavy bolters and the free flamer swap) are the least useful in general because of what they can reliably hurt. The three +20pt upgrades are all more flexible in that they can all affect a wide variety of targets more easily, and that's why they cost more points. Obvious, but worth stating!

 

Stock for the heavy flamer option goes up for Blood Angels thanks to who can ride in the Rhino (DC) and to the turbo-charged engines. For everyone else, it's a bit mediocre, and doubly so if you mount the turret at the back of the tank - the template will struggle to cover much of anything then, and you'll have wasted the opportunity.

 

Aside from agreeing with Fibonacci, I'd also specify further that it's worth magnetising the whole turret (less fiddly), and that you can get the turret sprues from GW direct IIRC. Also, the heavy bolter turret and the assault cannon turrets from the Land Raider vehicles are a perfect fit for the Razorback, so if you magnetise those, you can swap between vehicles as needed (i.e., you probably won't have all the tanks in your list, so pick the turrets you want from those you're not using if you want to). The Land Raider Crusader sprue is available from GW direct on its own too, and the big Redeemer flamestorm cannons can be fudged into flamer turrets of you like.

 

Finally, if you only want to make one or two set configurations, you need to think about what you want to shoot at with them and choose accordingly.

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As with every other army list selection: Pick the armament that compliments the rest of your army.

 

If you have lots of lascannons, go with the HVB for some troop killing.

 

If you dont have too many lascannons in the army, have lascannon razorback.

 

I would generally prefer the lascannon razorback and then arm the squad inside with a heavy bolter. This means your anti tank firepower doesnt wast any shots (like a lascannon in a combat squad) and the squad inside have anti infantry firepower.

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All my rhinos are magnetised so that I can swap out the top hatch for the Predator/Razorback turret base (which I can put either way round to help the flamers!) and I have magnetised all the Razorback options, plus a couple of Predator turrets.

 

There are lots of tutorials both on here and various blogs to show you how to do it:

 

https://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADRA_enGB343GB344&q=magnetising+razorbacks

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Or you go the easy way with the chapterhouse Turret Kit, there u get everything with magnets.

I think its one of the cheapest ways to get every turret option:

 

http://chapterhousestudios.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=85_78&product_id=227

True.

 

But not much use if you want to play a game in a GW store or GW sponsored tournie!

 

Somehow I don't think they would be happy to see Chapterhouse products within miles of their shops/tournies!

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Im no one who cares for the happienes of GW.

They have to accept that there are small companies producing add on parts for their models like any other miniature manufacturer.

 

For example you go buy a Tank from Dragon but you aint happy with some parts, buy a new muzzle from ABER and some new Tracks from Friul to have it more realistic and go to a miniature show, nobody will say something, even if that event was sponsored by Dragon.

 

Same goes for miniature railroads and the like.

 

The only problem is GWs crappy attitude.

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I'm not convinced that any of the Razorback upgrades are worth it anymore. They die so quickly in 6th, between the large amounts of weapons that can penetrate their armour and the introduction of hull points. 75pts for an ARM11 tank is a lot. So bearing that in mind, i'd go with the one I liked the look of the most. For me it'd be the assault cannons (that they are also easier to model as you don't need to convert them also helps). I love the look of miniguns, so having more in the army, even if it's on an expensive ARM11 chassis is always welcome.

 

To echo others thoughts earlier, i'm totally in agreement that magnetising is a good way to go.

Im no one who cares for the happienes of GW.

They have to accept that there are small companies producing add on parts for their models like any other miniature manufacturer.

 

For example you go buy a Tank from Dragon but you aint happy with some parts, buy a new muzzle from ABER and some new Tracks from Friul to have it more realistic and go to a miniature show, nobody will say something, even if that event was sponsored by Dragon.

 

Same goes for miniature railroads and the like.

 

The only problem is GWs crappy attitude.

 

You've got things the wrong way around. It's players that have to accept GW's attitude when playing in GW stores and GW tournaments. GW's property, GW's game, GW's miniatures, GW's rules. GW do not have to "accept" that there are small companies making a living off of their IP(which is why they are so vigorously defending it) and they most certainly are under no obligation to allow the parts from those companies to be used in their events or stores. Whether this is morally right or wrong is open to interpretation, but what isn't open to interpretation is that when it's a GW owned store of a GW run event, they set the rules and players either follow those rules or don't play. Just like in an independent store or independent tournament, the owner/TO sets the rules and anyone who wants to play there follows them or doesn't play.

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Toxichobbit

 

Sure they dont need to allow it in their shops and events, on the other side they should think about it. 

Why should a player go to a GW sponsored event or even a GW Shop when they are not alloed their conversions with third party bits?

 

And you are wrong with 

 

 
GW do not have to "accept" that there are small companies making a living off of their IP

 

They have like any other miniatures company.

If they dont have, why is chapterhouse still selling their goodies after the case was closed?

Just look above GW and Wargaming miniatures.

Why are there companies like ABER, Friul and the like selling add on parts for other compannies produkts?

 

What GW tries to do was treid before by other miniature companies and they failed and i wont see why GW will get a special treatment cause its GW.

 

Here in Trier is a small GW shop and i talked with the Red-Shirt and for him its pretty simple. He closes the eye for third party produkts or most customers will go to the independent Nerd-Store. Maybe not possible everywhere but still something to think about.

 

And there is still the another option: Just say you converted / modeled it yourself. ;)

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