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Vowed to start SoH when Horus released...


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Hey guys, I was talking to my friends and vowed to start SoH army when FW release Horus, but since no one in my circle actually play HH (only model collecting), I don't know how a decent SoH army looks like, and because here's no meta for HH, I must expect facing 40k lists much, so I'm here for suggestion. (Don't worry about 40k ones being power list tho, most people there are with good attitude, the rest boo at FW stuff anyway)

 

!LIMITATION!

MUST INCLUDE HORUS, THE WAR MASTER!

He will be the reason why I collect this army, so please, keep him in army with all cost!

 

OK so the following are my noob ideas and questions...

As far as I'm aware,

About Legion List...

1. Legion squad member become cheaper when the squad is bigger, so I think it's a Go Big or Go Home army, make them full strength if possible.

2. But if a unit include member more than dedicated transport capacity, the transport cannot be selected, so must not go too big :-/

3. Units are more specialized than 40k SM or CSM, so it's harder to be all-rounded, unless I include more units

4. Because of the point level/number of Rite of War character limitation, the list must be at least 2000+ to include a HQ and Horus.

5. I need a HQ with Rite of War to unlock drop pad.

 

Please correct me if I am wrong! And maybe point out more I should aware!

 

Ideas about Units...

Since I'm new to HH, I'd better focus more at troop choices and SoH only unit more instead of others.

I think tactical support squad is pure awesome, with drop pad they can solid kill almost anything, including super heavies. I think I will run 2 full strength support squad with melta gun and one with flamers, and DS them depending on enemy deploying.

But tactical support squad can't fill the required slot, so 2 troop slots are required.

Tactical squad is interesting, since they can Fury of the Legion, and 20 men max bring some durability(better than BT crusader anyway) But if I really make it 20, they will have to foot slag and take causalities before they can FoL (move, and run, and FoL next turn maybe?) 

Assault squad is still expensive even going big, it's 10 pts cheaper comparing to starting cost but still cost 400 pts for full strength. I'm not taking any.

Not sure about Breachers. Rerollable armor save and wider weapon choices are awesome, but initial cost is not. And to claim point discount I will need transport from other slot to carry them, making the basket bigger. A fluffy unit maybe?

As long as Horus is in my army all units gain outflanking, I think Recon has no seat in my army, unless I want a slot-less storm eagle.

Justaerin Terminator is totally fluffy unit I think, and honesty I have no idea how to use them but suicide bomb with Abaddon, but damn it it is Sons of Horus I will collect and I will field them!

Anyway, Chaos termie load out may work on them, so they will all carry combi-melta and power ax, maybe some fists.

Totally no idea how to Reaver. I feel they are awesome when I stare at their number of attacks, but my brain keeps telling me "No, they are not going to make it", and I guess my brain is right. 

 

Any ideas should be corrected? What is your experience using them? Or maybe show off your SoH list so I can have a clear view how I should build the army? 

Cheers!

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A couple quick notes.

 

- Your Praetor unlocks Rites of War (such as Orbital assault [drop pods]]. However, you won't be able to use the Sons of Horus' own special Rite of War if you do this, and it is quite cool. Also, it's all or nothing with Drop Pods. So no tanks, just aircraft and pods. (edit - on the bright side, Sons of Horus can take Dreadclaws as Dedicated Transports regardless of most Rites of War.)

 

- At 2k points, with Horus, you're going to have a fairly small army. Think 2.5 - 3k for Horus really. He does at least fit in 2k though.

 

 

...most importantly, it's clear you don't have the book yet. If you're serious about doing this army, get Betrayal ASAP. It's critical to writing an army list. Massacre includes a few new units/characters/rules for your Legion as well. When Horus comes out you won't want to spend £££ on him and the book probably, so get it soon so the expense is out of the way.

 

P.S. Buy Betrayal. And Massacre if you like.

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You got me! The two books I'm reading belong to my friend, but mine are on the way so no worry.

And yeah I do consider 2500, so I can start writing for 2000 lol

I do read Massacre as well, but have no idea how new units and RoW work really, since we don't have anyone playing HH here for now, and Betrayal covered enough tactical options IMO.

Also I like the idea tactical (support) squad softened enemy line enough and Horus with his Justaerin move in and launch assault at the heart of enemy, inspired by victory of Ullanor Crusade. So yes I need a Praetor with orbital assault RoW and Horus himself, lots of tactical support squads, 10 Justaerin termies and maybe some aircraft, Storm Eagle should be fine, just a question can Horus mount Storm Eagle and make it arrive at the turn he want? A waste of his teleport array tho, but that would give him and termies a greater chance not to be shoot to death via large fire amount!

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Welcome to the HH!

 

Part of the crew, part of the ship, part of the crew, part of the.......ahem

 

 

 

As a note Horus can use the drop pod Rite of War as he is a "Master of the legion" like a praetor :) so you don't need another unless you want.

 

 

I would suggest taking at least 2 20 man squads of "Despoilers" which are tactical marines armed with bolt guns, pistols, and chain swords. In close combat they get a special rule whereby they get additional attacks if they have more models than your opponent.

 

 

That is fluffy and also plays to their strengths. I don't care what anybody says about the justaraien, they are overpriced but still get them! Do like a squad of 5 as a command squad with a multi melta and mixed weapons, or just get the upgrade kit which has the mm and axes.

 

 

 

 

Bigger is always cheaper in the HH, so I would suggest freeing your mind from the limits of 40k. Your basic point levels should be between 2000-2500 points. 1850 at minimum. Horus can be taken in over 2000 as long as he is less than 25 percent of your points.

 

 

Hope that helps!

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Welcome to the HH!

Part of the crew, part of the ship, part of the crew, part of the.......ahem

As a note Horus can use the drop pod Rite of War as he is a "Master of the legion" like a praetor smile.png so you don't need another unless you want.

I would suggest taking at least 2 20 man squads of "Despoilers" which are tactical marines armed with bolt guns, pistols, and chain swords. In close combat they get a special rule whereby they get additional attacks if they have more models than your opponent.

That is fluffy and also plays to their strengths. I don't care what anybody says about the justaraien, they are overpriced but still get them! Do like a squad of 5 as a command squad with a multi melta and mixed weapons, or just get the upgrade kit which has the mm and axes.

Bigger is always cheaper in the HH, so I would suggest freeing your mind from the limits of 40k. Your basic point levels should be between 2000-2500 points. 1850 at minimum. Horus can be taken in over 2000 as long as he is less than 25 percent of your points.

Hope that helps!

I know Horus is Master of Legion, but I need a 2000 list before he is released. So, I choose you, praetor!

Besides, writing Legion list is SO EASY! Last night I picked some units I want, full strength them, and oh that's over 2000...I need to drop something...

But if I understand right, if I use drop pad RoW, all unit should be able to arrive via Deep Strike... are you suggesting me buy more Storm Eagle? lol

And yeah, for the sake of money and game fun, take Justaerin! (No kidding!

i'd go with a crapload of reaver squads, full-sized, Three big breachers/Tactical squads in spartans, and then a ton of terminators to accompany Horus.

Interesting, what is the point level? and how are you going to face super heavies like fellblade or typhon? They are likely to win their point back in a turn with a pizza :-/

Anyway I tried and came up with a list like:

Horus

Chaplain

8 Justaerin with combi-melta (troop choice due to Horus, joined by Horus and Chaplain, mount Storm Eagle) <---COMBAT DEATH STAR!!!...maybe. They WILL arrive at turn 2 in SE thanks to Horus and they charge next turn.

1 ten-men tactical with exchanged CC weapon in DP <---gun sealer, or expendable if opponent hides killy toys in reserve

2 ten-men tactical support squads with 9 melta in DP <---kill super heavy, titan or whatever that will eat my army like fast food in front of a big guy...

1 ten-men tactical support squad with 9 flamer in DP <---kill spams, and it helps my legion special rule

Storm eagle with melta melta and TL lascannon upgrade (not sure about the upgrades, ideas?

That's almost 2500, and changing chaplain to praetor and drop Horus is a 2000 list.

Scary enough I think.

EDIT: spell check

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Anyway I tried and came up with a list like:

Horus

Chaplain

8 Justaerin with combi-melta (troop choice due to Horus, joined by Horus and Chaplain, mount Storm Eagle) <---COMBAT DEATH STAR!!!...maybe. They WILL arrive at turn 2 in SE thanks to Horus and they charge next turn.

1 ten-men tactical with exchanged CC weapon in DP <---gun sealer, or expendable if opponent hides killy toys in reserve

2 ten-men tactical support squads with 9 melta in DP <---kill super heavy, titan or whatever that will eat my army like fast food in front of a big guy...

1 ten-men tactical support squad with 9 flamer in DP <---kill spams, and it helps my legion special rule

Storm eagle with melta melta and TL lascannon upgrade (not sure about the upgrades, ideas?

That's almost 2500, and changing chaplain to praetor and drop Horus is a 2000 list.

Scary enough I think.

At a glance there's a couple problems:

- Without a Praetor you can't use Drop Pods as only he allows the Orbital Assault Rite of War.

- Without Horus you can't have Justaerin as Troops and the Tac Support squads aren't compulsory, leaving you with only 1 compulsory choice.

One way or another your army is a little bit invalid unfortunately. Looks easy to fix though. You just need to replace the Chaplain with a Praetor and lose a man or two here and there to make up the difference.

You should probably start a thread about your unit choices in the Army Lists forum smile.png. I love reading those posts.

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At a glance there's a couple problems:

 

- Without a Praetor you can't use Drop Pods as only he allows the Orbital Assault Rite of War.

Horus has the Primarch Rule which includes Master of the Legion doesn't he? Master of the Legion is where the Rite of War rules are  so any primarch would have access to the legion specific and universeral rites of war

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Indeed Jaesterins are pricy, but they are like icon of this army, so why not!

Side goodness is, less model count, less money spent lol

 

Emperors Teeth>

Or maybe I can have a second praetor with RoW pride of the legion and make termies troop? Not sure if it is legal or not. I don't see I can only have one RoW per army.

By replacing Jaesterins with average termie or down size army I can have a second praetor! And since I have both Orbital Assault and Pride of the legion, the 2000 point without Horus one should be legal now.

 

 

Edit: sorry, it is PRIDE of the legion, not honor.

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Ah I see it now... So to make the first legal I should add one more chappa tactical squad, drop pad them maybe, down size/down grade termies for extra found and... Wait what is the army now? World Eater? Lol!

Anyway, how will you guys build a combat character for legion list? Apparently I don't want that 100 point character naked and do nothing!

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Ah I see it now... So to make the first legal I should add one more chappa tactical squad, drop pad them maybe, down size/down grade termies for extra found and... Wait what is the army now? World Eater? Lol!

Anyway, how will you guys build a combat character for legion list? Apparently I don't want that 100 point character naked and do nothing!

 

The usual kit for a Praetor is Digital Lasers, Paragon Blade, and Iron Halo.  That gives you a 2+/4++ guy with an AP2 weapon that strikes at initiative and a good number of attacks.  You can pile on way more wargear than that, but I personally don't really see the point.  Unless you're Salamanders (or a Primarch) you have no access to EW, and a 200+ point T4 character is just asking to get splattered by some ass with a powerfist.

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If you are dead set on using Horus, try to take full advantage of his abilities. When I have used him, he worked very well in a heavy reserves list because he lets them outflank. He also has perfect Deepstrike, so I usually put him in a full Terminator Squad w/Combi-Meltas, Deepstrike, pop a vehicle and then charge some unlucky fool next turn. And, he seizes on a 4+ which is quite nice to have. And because he is so powerful in CC, I usually split him off from the squad he deep struck with.

Here's my 2.5K list with him:

2.5K The Warmaster's Wrath

Lord of War:

Horus 500

*Drops w/ Cataphractii*

HQ:

Librarian 70

Mastery Level 2 20

Artificer Armor 10

Meltabombs 5

105

*Goes w/ Tactical Squads, rolls on Divination*

Elites:

x10 Cataphractii Terminators

Power Fists

Combi-Meltas/Combi-Plasmas

425

*deepstrike in the biggest concentration of enemy units w/ perfect Deepstrike from Horus*

Troops:

x15 Reavers 285

x15 Reavers 285

*outflank to the sides for flanking*

x20 Sons of Horus 250

Legion Vexillia 10

Close Combat Weapons 40

300

x20 Sons of Horus 250

Legion Vexillia 10

Close Combat Weapons 40

300

x20 Sons of Horus 250

Legion Vexillia 10

Close Combat Weapons 40

300

*tacticals march up the field guns ablaze*

With this list my opponent is usually swamped by turn 2 and I'm usually going first.

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I see. I'll get him paragon blade and digital laser for sure, but forget the rest. He is after all a Praetor, not Horus or Abaddon, not there to kick another character's ass but provide more solid kills.
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Unless you're a fluff-driven player rather than competitive, in which case do as your heart desires.

 

Of course, I usually think that goes without saying - "I think it's cool" overrides all matters of practicality or optimum loadouts.

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hallodx: i haven't actually written a list, i only wrote what i would him with when i eventually start collecting SoH.

 

despoilers would propably be a must, i Think.

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Prodigal Son of Magnus>>

Fairly interesting and devastating, but what are you going to do with enemy air forces? Or against mech heavy army? Fury of Legion can't help against dreads and AV11+, and those termies can only reliably kill 3 vehicles a game.

Maybe heavy mech or air heavy lists are not popular?

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