Armond Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Ok, I am totally new to this 30k thing. I have been in training and deployed for the past half year or so. Where are the rules for playing Heresy, 30k? I am a huge fan of the old Mark armors, and want to build a fledgling force of perhaps Night Lords. Can someone tell me where I need to go to build a list and from what sources are these coming from? Are these official rules of some type? I am so lost! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285583-oh-how-lost-i-am-be-the-light/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 www.forgeworld.co.uk Look for Betrayal and Massacre. Betrayal has the core ruleset and Massacre has the Night Lords Legion specific rules an units. Rules are official. And welcome to the Midnight Clad. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285583-oh-how-lost-i-am-be-the-light/#findComment-3568578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Ok, I am totally new to this 30k thing. I have been in training and deployed for the past half year or so. Where are the rules for playing Heresy, 30k? I am a huge fan of the old Mark armors, and want to build a fledgling force of perhaps Night Lords. Can someone tell me where I need to go to build a list and from what sources are these coming from? Are these official rules of some type? I am so lost! Welcome back home, brother. Now... Can we get that damn game in? :P And follow Kol's directions, and see the light. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285583-oh-how-lost-i-am-be-the-light/#findComment-3568581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Welcome to the crew brother were all traitors heretics and worse. But were family Part of the ship part of the crew Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285583-oh-how-lost-i-am-be-the-light/#findComment-3568599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armond Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 Oh goodness, thank you for the information! I figured it would be in there, but wasn't sure. That is going to be an expensive purchase I can tell you that! Any sources for download anywhere? 1000heathens! Man, I am still away unfortunately. I will not be back until sometime in Feb I think. I am just thinking ahead! When I get back we will definitely have to get a game of some type in. I have a very small Chaos Space Marine (of the Nurgle kind) force put together and partially painted. I would be glad to get a game in. Just have to figure it all out, the logistics of it all! To the rest, I have always been a Night Lords fan, loved ADBs rendition of them! Hopefully, I can give them some justice in regards to how I would convert/paint them up. Any opinions on how I should start? Think small, I don't want to purchase tons of stuff and just let them sit. So I figure working up in increments would be a good way to go. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285583-oh-how-lost-i-am-be-the-light/#findComment-3568666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Start with some FW night lord raptors and maybe a weapons upgrade pack and do squads 5 at a time Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285583-oh-how-lost-i-am-be-the-light/#findComment-3568667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armond Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 Looked at the Night Lords Raptor pack, looks intriguing. Took a look at some troop choices as well. That MkIII stuff looks awesome. I would figure that during the Heresy, most of the troops in the beginning would have a more uniform look, as opposed to a mixture of different versions of armor. Would that be the case? I figure I could start with a unit of 5 MkIII style troops, 5 Terminators, and a unit of 5 of the NL Raptors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285583-oh-how-lost-i-am-be-the-light/#findComment-3568707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 At the beginning, the "standard" Astartes would definitely look uniform. And later on as the Heresy would stretch out, supplies thin and resources dwindle, the armors would become more and more varied as each Astartes added his won touch while scavenging whatever parts he could. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285583-oh-how-lost-i-am-be-the-light/#findComment-3568722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barabbas Sogalon Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Welcome to the crew brother were all traitors heretics and worse. But were family Part of the ship part of the crew Not all of us are traitors. Just pointing that out. Good to see another recruit to the true universe, welcome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285583-oh-how-lost-i-am-be-the-light/#findComment-3568774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Welcome to the crew brother were all traitors heretics and worse. But were family Part of the ship part of the crew Not all of us are traitors. That's the "worse". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285583-oh-how-lost-i-am-be-the-light/#findComment-3568777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Oh goodness, thank you for the information! I figured it would be in there, but wasn't sure. That is going to be an expensive purchase I can tell you that! Any sources for download anywhere? 1000heathens! Man, I am still away unfortunately. I will not be back until sometime in Feb I think. I am just thinking ahead! When I get back we will definitely have to get a game of some type in. I have a very small Chaos Space Marine (of the Nurgle kind) force put together and partially painted. I would be glad to get a game in. Just have to figure it all out, the logistics of it all! To the rest, I have always been a Night Lords fan, loved ADBs rendition of them! Hopefully, I can give them some justice in regards to how I would convert/paint them up. Any opinions on how I should start? Think small, I don't want to purchase tons of stuff and just let them sit. So I figure working up in increments would be a good way to go. Well...technically you can get just massacre and do a smaller army but it would be limited in scope. The night lords have a special rite of war (these are somewhat unique to the Horus heresy game) that let's them mess around with the force organization chart. It's called terror tactics and you have to take 3 minimum squads of NL terror squads, which are awesome and point heavy. You can then fill up the remaining points of whatever army you want to do with NL raptors, who hit like a wall of bricks and are also point heavy. After an Hq choice, the 3 squads of terror guys and maybe a squad or two of raptors, you will have 1500 points to play with easily. It's a low model count, so easier on the wallet, but still plays really fun and only really needs the massacre book. You will still need betrayal to understand most of the things and get all the units, but I'm sure you can skid by with picking up tidbits over the internet or from your friends. If you want a quick overview of all the units and some of the special rules in betrayal, look here http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/6th_Edition_Tactics/Space_Marine_Legion_List_(30k) I know it's 4chan haha but it does a good overview, but a lot of childish humor and swearing in between Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285583-oh-how-lost-i-am-be-the-light/#findComment-3568827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Or instead of Night Raptors you could have some Javelin speeders for some okay anti-armor. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285583-oh-how-lost-i-am-be-the-light/#findComment-3568834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Or instead of Night Raptors you could have some Javelin speeders for some okay anti-armor. ;) Or sicarans because....well...sicaran Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285583-oh-how-lost-i-am-be-the-light/#findComment-3568840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Or instead of Night Raptors you could have some Javelin speeders for some okay anti-armor. Or sicarans because....well...sicaran You can only take one with the Night Lords RoW though. Unless they've been made into squadrons? Because that'd be awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285583-oh-how-lost-i-am-be-the-light/#findComment-3568848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Or knives we all like knives especially the flaying variety Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285583-oh-how-lost-i-am-be-the-light/#findComment-3569109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 If you want a quick overview of all the units and some of the special rules in betrayal, look here http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/6th_Edition_Tactics/Space_Marine_Legion_List_(30k) I know it's 4chan haha but it does a good overview, but a lot of childish humor and swearing in between I believe your link is slightly skew-whiff, brother. Here's the full link. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285583-oh-how-lost-i-am-be-the-light/#findComment-3569116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 If you want a quick overview of all the units and some of the special rules in betrayal, look here http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/6th_Edition_Tactics/Space_Marine_Legion_List_(30k) I know it's 4chan haha but it does a good overview, but a lot of childish humor and swearing in between I believe your link is slightly skew-whiff, brother. Here's the full link. ;) Thanks homie. I didn't think it breached any b and c regs, but it is on the iffy side. However it is a great intro to anyone who wants to know what's so special about the legion lists Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285583-oh-how-lost-i-am-be-the-light/#findComment-3569119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I didn't think it breached any b and c regs, but it is on the iffy side. However it is a great intro to anyone who wants to know what's so special about the legion lists It perhaps would have been safer to not post the link but you did give appropriate warning and didn't espouse the negative aspects. ^_^ Anyhoo back to the topic at hand - it might cost you some wedge, Armond, but Massacre and Betrayal are pretty much essential for someone in your position. My advice would be to seek a second-hand copy of Massacre, tbh, considering several examples are being flogged on everyone's favourite auction website atm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285583-oh-how-lost-i-am-be-the-light/#findComment-3569139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armond Posted January 15, 2014 Author Share Posted January 15, 2014 This is going to be an expensive endeavor, but I am interested for sure! I will peruse some sources for those books. Thank you guys so much for all your information! I am really interested. I need to make a small list and follow it. Thoughts on Contemptor Dreadnoughts for Night Lords? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285583-oh-how-lost-i-am-be-the-light/#findComment-3569446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Personal opinion is they are a bit wonky but some of the pictures in Massacre are kind of BA. I'll see if I can get some pics but that'll have to wait until I get home tomorrow morning though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285583-oh-how-lost-i-am-be-the-light/#findComment-3569461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armond Posted January 16, 2014 Author Share Posted January 16, 2014 I have a Space Marine Land Raider and a box of Chaos Space Marine Raptors. What use are they in 30k? I am thinking the raptors could just be used for bits, look for the scary pieces that would invoke fear in a population. In any case, I was looking at purchasing Legion Praetors, 10 Tactical Marines(MkIII, along with two sets of Night Lords Shoulder Pads, MkIII power weapon set), a set of Night Raptors, and maybe a unit of Cataphractii Terminators(unsure what weapon set). Thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285583-oh-how-lost-i-am-be-the-light/#findComment-3570455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Check this out Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285583-oh-how-lost-i-am-be-the-light/#findComment-3570460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armond Posted January 16, 2014 Author Share Posted January 16, 2014 Some interesting work in there. I may have to refer to it. I can probably cobble together some Night Lords for 30k from spare bits I have from my Space Marine and Chaos Space Marine stuff. So many decision to make. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285583-oh-how-lost-i-am-be-the-light/#findComment-3570484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armond Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 Going back, what would be the merits of a single Javelin? I figure if I am creating an Advon Company, then having some firepower with some speed behind it might be great. What about Scimitar jetbikes? BTW, I did order the books! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285583-oh-how-lost-i-am-be-the-light/#findComment-3583845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Going back, what would be the merits of a single Javelin? I figure if I am creating an Advon Company, then having some firepower with some speed behind it might be great. What about Scimitar jetbikes? BTW, I did order the books! Hmm ahh, well if you take three, add this..yes...ok...little math hammer here...and here's my conclusion: Rule of cool wins games. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285583-oh-how-lost-i-am-be-the-light/#findComment-3583860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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