depthcharge12 Posted January 18, 2014 Author Share Posted January 18, 2014 What should I use as heraldry for my XVth Cataphracts? It needs to be simple enough to paint on a shoulder pad. I was hoping to use my family's coat of arms (last name means 'war-like' in Gaelic ;) ) but it's impossible to paint an eagle clutching a killed bird within its talons...but it would've been badarse Should I do a quartered shoulder pad insignia? You guys decide. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285704-painting-heresy-dark-angels-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-3572165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Quartered with a shield sword combo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285704-painting-heresy-dark-angels-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-3572194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 18, 2014 Author Share Posted January 18, 2014 I started working on the heraldry, I did some basic checker pattern on these guys and quartered the knee but I think I like the quarter better, I will use it on the next batch probably. Feast your gribbly eyes: http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/treacyjohn2/e8e9ffbd22c1d361e69578c06d672023_zps80b38fb0.jpg http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/treacyjohn2/20b10d7992e3c6d33cc341ba5a7d34a0_zps778605ff.jpg http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/treacyjohn2/c15c563d14c07dfd106be1e86c0e8bce_zpsd0c0fd10.jpg http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/treacyjohn2/5efa009b7c46cbfb9105acb8a61a4370_zps27bed125.jpg http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/treacyjohn2/56f073e749bbc3c3c7418d32b06f2fdb_zpsbcf6443b.jpg http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/treacyjohn2/13500af3c6b7ba13fac0cab3a6c095d3_zps0cd8e894.jpg http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/treacyjohn2/50cc940fc2496134b288d4612a80f535_zps3f341b6c.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285704-painting-heresy-dark-angels-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-3572688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 It's looking real good Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285704-painting-heresy-dark-angels-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-3572744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 18, 2014 Author Share Posted January 18, 2014 Thanks Jasp old buddy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285704-painting-heresy-dark-angels-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-3572804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Ragnrok Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 dont mean to down talk anything, but the yellow looks a bit mustardy. maybe thats just the photo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285704-painting-heresy-dark-angels-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-3573293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 19, 2014 Author Share Posted January 19, 2014 dont mean to down talk anything, but the yellow looks a bit mustardy. maybe thats just the photo. Haha actually, it's bleached bone/rotting flesh with a brown ink over it to look faded and worn. Supposed to be like the cream of the robes but has been worn down and lodged with dirt particles from a hundred different battles on a hundred different worlds. So of it comes off with a yellow brownish, it probably has achieved its goal. It shows that these guys are veterans and that only personal heraldry is allowed to be repainted. It still does look a little sloppy tbh and I will probably go back and add some chipping to it as well. Thanks for the constructive criticism though ;) I do need it and the only way I'll get better (which is my goal) is to have you guys catch stuff and tell me how to improve. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285704-painting-heresy-dark-angels-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-3573415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmo Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Looking good Try to do a bit of tidying up the various paint overspills with a fine brush as this can really detract from the paint work. It is noticeable especially around the bolter barrels where the red has gone on the silver. A few bits of heraldry and they will be good to go. I defaulted to swords as they are fairly simple to paint. My in progress HH (or dismounted RW) DA are here to give you more ideas... Don't forget that the DA icon on the pauldron is different than the 40K one. I was going for this look on my earlier ones http://media.libri.de/shop/coverscans/941/9412958_9412958_xl.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285704-painting-heresy-dark-angels-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-3573483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 19, 2014 Author Share Posted January 19, 2014 Looking good :tu: Try to do a bit of tidying up the various paint overspills with a fine brush as this can really detract from the paint work. It is noticeable especially around the bolter barrels where the red has gone on the silver. A few bits of heraldry and they will be good to go. I defaulted to swords as they are fairly simple to paint. My in progress HH (or dismounted RW) DA are here to give you more ideas... Don't forget that the DA icon on the pauldron is different than the 40K one. I was going for this look on my earlier ones http://media.libri.de/shop/coverscans/941/9412958_9412958_xl.jpg Thanks again oh wise master ;) I just caught those slight marks on the bolters as well, and it seems your keen eye was the first to catch it. Those dark angels are wearing heretical green (it's black! Only loyal guys wear black!) as it hasn't been adopted by the da yet. I do like the gold and how you did it, but I liked the silver look on my guys and had just read something about how the Dark Angels eschew fine trappings and gilding except for Masters and command squads (which is slightly ironic considering all the crap they stick to their armor :P) What's the difference of the emblem as it looks in that book to be the same as the current guys. Was it a sword with a single wing holding it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285704-painting-heresy-dark-angels-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-3573496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Ragnrok Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 dont mean to down talk anything, but the yellow looks a bit mustardy. maybe thats just the photo. Haha actually, it's bleached bone/rotting flesh with a brown ink over it to look faded and worn. Supposed to be like the cream of the robes but has been worn down and lodged with dirt particles from a hundred different battles on a hundred different worlds. So of it comes off with a yellow brownish, it probably has achieved its goal. It shows that these guys are veterans and that only personal heraldry is allowed to be repainted. It still does look a little sloppy tbh and I will probably go back and add some chipping to it as well. Thanks for the constructive criticism though I do need it and the only way I'll get better (which is my goal) is to have you guys catch stuff and tell me how to improve. Glad to be of assistance! Looking good Try to do a bit of tidying up the various paint overspills with a fine brush as this can really detract from the paint work. It is noticeable especially around the bolter barrels where the red has gone on the silver. A few bits of heraldry and they will be good to go. I defaulted to swords as they are fairly simple to paint. My in progress HH (or dismounted RW) DA are here to give you more ideas... Don't forget that the DA icon on the pauldron is different than the 40K one. I was going for this look on my earlier ones http://media.libri.de/shop/coverscans/941/9412958_9412958_xl.jpg that is the exact same inspiration for my Judicators Chapter Color Scheme! although i wish i could get one of those winged helms in the cover art Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285704-painting-heresy-dark-angels-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-3573504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmo Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 The HH DA emblem has rounder wings than the 40k one. The cover art is a little misleading in that respect. For the winged helm try anvil industries as they have something similar. The green armour is a funny one. I have decided that it is just an artistic lighting effect but that's just me ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285704-painting-heresy-dark-angels-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-3573515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 19, 2014 Author Share Posted January 19, 2014 I tried adding some green ink/wash to some blades and say that they are caliban steel which has a greenish tinge to it (really cheesy I know :P) but it does look a little plaguey. I will have to experiment more with it. Back to the models, does everything still look good? What else am I missing besides gluing them and rolling them around in a dark angels bitz box? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285704-painting-heresy-dark-angels-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-3573521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Ragnrok Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 looks pretty good. just get that emblem in there and put some DA bits on and i think you'll have a good product Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285704-painting-heresy-dark-angels-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-3574825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjasuperspy Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Great job on your Dark Angels! Wish I had your hand for iconography, I'd like to sneak some unit designations on to my Alphas. I'm a big fan of this guy's as well if you are still looking for inspiration. http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?252687-And-the-angels-of-darkness-descended-upon-pinions-of-fire-and-light-PreHeresy-DA I'm not that confident with Green Stuff so there's no way I'd even attempt those capes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285704-painting-heresy-dark-angels-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-3574841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 21, 2014 Author Share Posted January 21, 2014 @Lord Marshal Thanks again for the encouragement! Perfection is always a journey and I'll keep working on them :) @ninjasuperspy You flatter me brother! It's not perfect but I'll keep working on it and I'm eager to try out lots of different knight heraldry. Also thanks for the link I will check out after this post. :) the guy probable has God-tier made dark angels I bet ;) Here's the next batch awaiting the finish of their sarge before priming and painting (I just noticed the mold line on his leg...): http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/treacyjohn2/7fa68f630fe660b2e0bce27cce8aaa6c_zps3c35ddf7.jpg http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/treacyjohn2/6a3535848cdeb3ae60f3e8fd4efb052f_zps95b642e0.jpg I'm still debating what I should do in the "black area" on the shoulder pad as I feel the heraldry is incomplete. http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/treacyjohn2/26b871dc9e62102376099b680d1bf453_zps343e4ac3.jpg http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/treacyjohn2/01ba270f5a8141fa5e6ce0bd4fd4f808_zps01c922e3.jpg Should I add a horizontal sword in that area to complete it? There must be better ideas....what do you guys think I should add? :) Thanks again for all the input Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285704-painting-heresy-dark-angels-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-3574845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Freehand lion across it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285704-painting-heresy-dark-angels-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-3574869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheForgottenAngel Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Id say a sword! Can never go wrong with one of those! Sorry I've been gone, I love the way your DA are turning out! Gritty and grim dark! If you haven't taken a look at the FW dark angel poster from the first horus heresy weekender do so. That is what you're run of the mill legionnaire will look like in the 1st Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285704-painting-heresy-dark-angels-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-3574898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephrael Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I wouldn't add anything else to the shoulder pads at all. You run the risk of them looking too busy with the checks, lines and more heraldry. You haven't even added the Legion icon to the other shoulder yet. Completely finish painting your first squad before you decide to add even more details to paint. I would recommend that you brighten the yellow-brown checks closer to pure white. I know you cited dirt and battle damage for the darker color but the rest of the armor is relatively clean looking. If you start adding lots of chipping to them they will look like Iron Warriors instead of Dark Angels. I would also suggest that you go over the reds again with a thin coat of paint. The coverage is uneven in spots, especially on the bolters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285704-painting-heresy-dark-angels-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-3574978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Ragnrok Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 just dont fall into that Emp Children style perfection depthcharge hahaha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285704-painting-heresy-dark-angels-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-3575228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 21, 2014 Author Share Posted January 21, 2014 Yes thanks again for all the support guys! @mikhail Thanks for the advice, I'm going to get on that today for sure. I do want it a little more white too, however I will add some chipping to these guys. I need to clean up the bolters and redo some of the heraldry, however I'm not very good at keeping super straight lines :/ (Note: I do want them to be distinguished easily as dark angels but I want them different from everyone else's Heresy Dark Angels. I do like the robes but I don't want to overdo it or else they risk looking like 40k da in my opinion. I don't want them to look like I just threw some glue on them and rolled them around in Dark angel bits or else they look too cluttered.) @Jasp You have no idea how cool that sounds but unfortunately I don't have mad skills like some of these guys. @crusader weber Thanks for keeping up with my "painted" models (I don't do them very much justice and I can hear cries of lament when I take pictures :P ) Your encouragement means a lot to me :) as above I do want to keep them gritty as they try to maintain their armor but due to consistent warfare and some traditional honor they keep some of their gear battle worn to show veterancy. Could you post the pic up of the Dark angel poster? I can't remember it and would love to see it as a future guideline :D @Lord Marshal I'm a Frat boy. I already commit lecherous acts of hedonism. BEER FOR THE BEER GOD! KEGS FOR THE KEG STAND!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285704-painting-heresy-dark-angels-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-3575289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share Posted January 22, 2014 Hey guys just a quick question. I want to repurpose some mkIV marines with chainaxes and bolt pistols from my WEs into Dark Angels. I will try to replace some of the axes with swords (reflects more of Dark Angels style). However I won't be able to replace them all, so will they still look somewhat kosher? I mean knights used axes frequently, and I could say in their fluff that they came from the axe men of Caliban who surely had to use axes to cut down the encroaching trees to create space and use for safety. These guys would have some familiarity and possibly attachment to their tools. They won't be using the rules for chainaxes but I just need to clear it with you guys. What do you think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285704-painting-heresy-dark-angels-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-3575816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheForgottenAngel Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Sure you can use them. Perhaps add done heraldry on the axe head since it will have room :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285704-painting-heresy-dark-angels-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-3575850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share Posted January 22, 2014 Checkers on axe heads...hmmm Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285704-painting-heresy-dark-angels-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-3576181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheForgottenAngel Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Green axe head with white stripe running diagonal? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285704-painting-heresy-dark-angels-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-3576189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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