Perhaps a little more weight to the Khyron theory

[Praetor of Calth]

I was reading up on Saturn's moons earlier and couldn't help but notice an interesting link to 30k. Now here's what I found;

 

The 3 named members of the founding 8 are all named for one of moons of Saturn; Janus, Epimetheus and Khyron, wether deliberately or just by coincidence. (These names are also gods of the Greek/Roman pantheons.) A man called Herman Goldschimdt claimed to have a discovered a 9th moon of Saturn, between Titan and Hyperion. Now he named this moon Chiron, Chiron's discovery was never confirmed and it was never seen again. Many scientists today believe this to be the Centaur planet Chiron discovered in the late 70's.

 

I just thought this was interesting, as it sort of fits with Sevatar in some way with him being such a vocal point in the Night Lords legion before vanishing without anyone knowing of his fate. I know it's abit of a stretch, but if you look closely, the name of the one founding master we have links closely to the story of his true identity;

 

 

Epimetheus in Greek mythology is the brother of Prometheus. Prometheus defied Zeus and was gravely punished for it. See how that fits with Zaherial's story?

 

 

Now I should add that while I see the Sevatar theory as a sound one I'm not 100% if it will come to pass. Personally I have recently come to believe Khyron will be Umojen, Chief Libarian of the Salamanders Legion because, in Greek Mythology, Prometheus (An analogy for Vulkan perhaps?)  sacrificed Chiron to give mankind the gift of fire. The treachery and betrayal he speaks of could refer to him abandoning his brothers after the Dropsite massacre, a time where they needed every battle brother they had. This bit of Khyron's quote in particular really makes me think of the Dropsite Massacre; "Victory is nothing more than survival."

[MordentHex]

As far as i can read, Sevatar was said to have fell fighting on terra. Source: Night Lords Trilogy.  I could have read it wrong though, but they seemed to think him long dead.

[Karthak]

As far as i can read, Sevatar was said to have fell fighting on terra. Source: Night Lords Trilogy.  I could have read it wrong though, but they seemed to think him long dead.

Some Night Lords think he died there. Others believe he survived.

[Perrin]

Nothing says he died on Terra, and some Night Lords (Mercutian) believe he didn't die.

 

Didn't know about the moons, interesting theory! Especially with Sevatar, some thinking he is alive some thinking he's dead, fits well with the Chiron moon.

 

Chiron fits more with an Apothecary though, or a trainer of astartes. Neither of these really match Sev. He was First Captain however, so him being a trainer of heroes would fit. Prophecy was also attributed to Chiron. Funnily enough Talos would be a better fit than Sevatar if we didn't already know his fate.

 

The writing on Khyron's tomb always made me think of Sevatar, as does the story about Chiron being wiser and more civilised than his centaur brothers. The Prince of Crows shows that Sevatar is different from his NL brothers, as he is the only one who has the vision to reform the Legion after the Thramas Crusade, while the others just want to go out in flames and take as many DA with them. It even shows Sevatar's growing discontent with the Legion and his brothers, which links well with the centaurs.  

 

I think Umojen is a weak fit, the only hint is the fire part. Plus in most myths it's Hercules that sacrifices Chiron in order to free Prometheus, and Prometheus is already Nemiel.

 

 

Maybe I'm thinking too literally with these Classical mythology links?

[Kol Saresk]

Breaking the Legion into six fleets and telling each fleet to go its own way, do whatever and let the companies under it do the same, is a vision to remake the Legion?

[Perrin]

Save the Legion rather than remake it. Don't have the story to hand but iirc the other senior Captains wanted to get back into the fight against the DA purely for vengeance, and with the DA xenos tech they would undoubtedly been destroyed.

 

Actually yes, that is remaking the Legion. Fighting as a united force clearly wasn't what suited the NL style of war, especially against the Dark Angels, so Sevatar reformed them into a force that was better suited to their style of warfare, and saved them from futile destruction at the hands of the Lion.

[Kol Saresk]

lol, touché. I always saw it as "breaking" the Legion rather than "remaking" it.

[Wade Garrett]

Aaron Dembski Bowden created

Sevatar and Khyron.

 

"Aaron" is a five letter word.

 

Sevatar and Khyron are two different names.

 

Five minus two is three.

 

There were three rings for the Elf Lords, beneath the sky.

 

One of those rings was Narya, the Ring of Fire.

 

Angron's attack on Armageddon, which Aaron Dembski Bowden also wrote about, is sometimes called the Reign of Fire.

 

Angron's Heresy era flagship Conqueror and its flag captain are never mentioned in any accounts of the First War for Armageddon.

 

Therefore, Grandmaster Khyron is in fact Lotara Sarrin.

[Kol Saresk]

Aaron Dembski Bowden created

Sevatar and Khyron.

 

"Aaron" is a five letter word.

 

Sevatar and Khyron are two different names.

 

Five minus two is three.

 

There were three rings for the Elf Lords, beneath the sky.

 

One of those rings was Narya, the Ring of Fire.

 

Angron's attack on Armageddon, which Aaron Dembski Bowden also wrote about, is sometimes called the Reign of Fire.

 

Angron's Heresy era flagship Conqueror and its flag captain are never mentioned in any accounts of the First War for Armageddon.

 

Therefore, Grandmaster Khyron is in fact Lotara Sarrin.

Sometimes, you're a literary genius. Other times, you scare me so bad that I want to gouge out my eyes so I'll never be scared by what I read ever again.

[Praetor of Calth]

@ Perrin. Good point on the Hercules version of the Chiron myths, their the ones where Hercules kills him with a arrow coated in Hydra venom are they not? I suppose if Prometheus could be taken to represent Nemiel in this case then I originally suggested, then you'd be right that it couldn't also represent Vulkan, but if we assume these names were a personal thing (I don't recall any piece of fluff that suggests otherwise) then it could be potentially cross over.

I really wish we knew the rest of the names of the Grand Masters so we could put my theory to the test. Aaron tweeted a while back that they were in the process of doing so. I'am convinced that the name does somewhat indirectly link to the original identity of the individual, the link in Epimetheus's case is so subtle and skilfully done it's hard to see how it couldn't have been done on purpose. Plus if it didn't, why would you need an entire Heresy meeting to decide on suitable names for 5 characters... It doesn't take a massive meeting to get a group of guys to go ahhhh yeh that one sounds cool.

[Wade Garrett]

Kol:

I choose to take that as a compliment.

;)

[A D-B]

[Kol Saresk]

Can't say I'm the biggest fan of that implication.

[Wade Garrett]

Implication...what...wait.

 

ADB linked to a clip from "Mystery Men".

 

That movie has a character named Mr. Furious, powered by his endless rage.

 

Angron is the Primarch powered by endless rage.

 

Lotara is Angron's flag captain.

 

ADB is saying that I'm right.

 

VINDICATION!

[Xin Ceithan]

Can't decide whether this discussion is brilliant or sick. But I love every minute of it

[A D-B]

Can't say I'm the biggest fan of that implication.

 

No implication. That's this thread, in a clip.

[Kol Saresk]

 

 

Can't say I'm the biggest fan of that implication.

 

No implication. That's this thread, in a clip.

 

 

And sudden;y, I can breathe easier. Although that might just be my sinuses clearing up.

[Phoros]

I would be incredibly okay with Lotara being a Grandmaster.

[Xin Ceithan]

Can someone please nuke the site from orbit before some one goes Chuck Norris on Lotara ?

[Perrin]

I think a good 90% of my posts are about this theory I'll try to refrain in future.