Memento Of Prospero Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 We all know an oath with the Emperor prevented the Primarchs to discuss the missing two. So, what prevents the traitors from openly discussing them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287453-the-traitor-primarch-and-the-missing-legions/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Friends. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287453-the-traitor-primarch-and-the-missing-legions/#findComment-3607005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Why discuss the past when you are moving towards the future? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287453-the-traitor-primarch-and-the-missing-legions/#findComment-3607013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Plot. Armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287453-the-traitor-primarch-and-the-missing-legions/#findComment-3607014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 The authors/GW Said so. They just ain't gonna do it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287453-the-traitor-primarch-and-the-missing-legions/#findComment-3607015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted March 2, 2014 Author Share Posted March 2, 2014 Plot. Armor. I guess that sums it up! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287453-the-traitor-primarch-and-the-missing-legions/#findComment-3607020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellrender Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Like Kol said, why would they care? It's meaningless in the grander scheme of things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287453-the-traitor-primarch-and-the-missing-legions/#findComment-3607028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted March 2, 2014 Author Share Posted March 2, 2014 That depends on why they were removed in the first place. If they had gone renegade or fallen to chaos, they would certainly see their fallen brothers in a new light for example. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287453-the-traitor-primarch-and-the-missing-legions/#findComment-3607034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocheebs Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 That depends on why they were removed in the first place. If they had gone renegade or fallen to chaos, they would certainly see their fallen brothers in a new light for example. A very good point. Maybe neither of these things happened, it could have been that during the gene coding process, when creating their sons, something went awry and so were destroyed before getting too large. Why do you think Sanguinious tries so hard to keep his Sons issues from surfacing even from his own chapter, as if the Emperor doesn't know whats going on but why doesn't he pull the 'wolf trigger'? whats the difference between Sango and his Blood Angels and the fallen? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287453-the-traitor-primarch-and-the-missing-legions/#findComment-3607044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 So, what prevents the traitors from openly discussing them? Relevance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287453-the-traitor-primarch-and-the-missing-legions/#findComment-3607047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted March 2, 2014 Author Share Posted March 2, 2014 See that's a the problem I am getting at. We aren't supposed to know and it should be open to any speculation, but these are all clues that erase possibilities. The whole Sanguinius thing doesn't make sense, because the Emperor let the Thousand Sons wither and mutate until Magnus found his "cure". Which was far, far worse than the current state of the Blood Angels. James Swallow really is one of the worse writers in that regard. If fallen had turned, you'd bet your ass that the other traitors would feel cheated or guilty for it. At first anyways. Especially Lorgar or Curze. Since nothing is even inted at that once the heresy started, you can also erase that. Then if it were a car accident, it wouldn't be worth silencing the issue. So now what we have left is that they died prematurely or vanished. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287453-the-traitor-primarch-and-the-missing-legions/#findComment-3607049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrin Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Maybe they were just killed. The Primarchs are supposed to be the pinnacle of humanity, heroes that the rest of the Crusade can follow and believe in. If two of them had died it would lessen the impact somewhat, and damage morale. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287453-the-traitor-primarch-and-the-missing-legions/#findComment-3607269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.G.J. Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 The traitor primarchs are probably free to talk about the missing legions all they want, but who are they going to talk to? 1) During the HH most of the traitor primarchs have other more important things to discuss in the interest of prosecuting the war. 2) Once the HH is over most of the traitor primarchs have ascended, their interests and outlooks will have changed, and they won't really be in a position to speak to their fellow primarchs in any real sense. Maybe they were just killed. Maybe, but the conversation between Dorn and Malcador in Mechanicum suggests otherwise. So now what we have left is that they died prematurely or vanished. There are plenty of other possible scenarios. They could have refused to join the Imperium. They could have accepted the Emperor as their father but refused to join the Great Crusade. They could have taken control of their legions and used them for purposes beyond the Great Crusade. There are a lot of options. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287453-the-traitor-primarch-and-the-missing-legions/#findComment-3607542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 They're still way too sad, man. Give em some time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287453-the-traitor-primarch-and-the-missing-legions/#findComment-3607841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoros Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Maybe they're discussing them offscreen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287453-the-traitor-primarch-and-the-missing-legions/#findComment-3608183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Maybe they're discussing them offscreen. That's what I was going to say. They're gassing about it all the time, it's just relevant tot he heresy sow e don't see those bits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287453-the-traitor-primarch-and-the-missing-legions/#findComment-3608192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocheebs Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 This might be going way way out here so i am ready for criticism. Legion of the Damned anybody? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287453-the-traitor-primarch-and-the-missing-legions/#findComment-3608811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 This might be going way way out here so i am ready for criticism. Legion of the Damned anybody? I believe there is fluff showing that the LotD are the remnants of the Firehawks chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287453-the-traitor-primarch-and-the-missing-legions/#findComment-3608818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kais Klip Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I agree without a doubt most efforts to justify their silence on the other two inherently fall short since I doubt they are kept out of anything but sentimentalism for the original writing. Personally, I smooth the issue over to myself by considering it a case of shame for the primarch family as it were, similar to a modern family not talking about a case of traumatic suicide or some seriously heinous act that tarnishes not only the name but the collective conscious of the family; it's on everyone's mind, only no one is comfortable voicing the incident. So if I had to make something up on the spot; suicidal frenzy a la rapid dog in a puppy house before being put down by the Big E and a "no, let me do it" Horus for one of them. It's the only scenario that conflicts the least, given Lorgar's "first failure" status and Angron's unclaimed homeworld, among others. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287453-the-traitor-primarch-and-the-missing-legions/#findComment-3608846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Maybe because one of them was never found..you know..going over to whfb and all lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287453-the-traitor-primarch-and-the-missing-legions/#findComment-3613859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 That depends on why they were removed in the first place. If they had gone renegade or fallen to chaos, they would certainly see their fallen brothers in a new light for example. Then it stands to reason that whatever happened wasn't related to those things. EDIT: Read the above in a pointlessly bombastic and creepy voice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287453-the-traitor-primarch-and-the-missing-legions/#findComment-3613873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 That depends on why they were removed in the first place. If they had gone renegade or fallen to chaos, they would certainly see their fallen brothers in a new light for example. Then it stands to reason that whatever happened wasn't related to those things. EDIT: Read the above in a pointlessly bombastic and creepy voice. Then! It stands to REASON that whatever happened was. Not. Related. To those things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287453-the-traitor-primarch-and-the-missing-legions/#findComment-3614106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted March 8, 2014 Author Share Posted March 8, 2014 That depends on why they were removed in the first place. If they had gone renegade or fallen to chaos, they would certainly see their fallen brothers in a new light for example. Then it stands to reason that whatever happened wasn't related to those things. EDIT: Read the above in a pointlessly bombastic and creepy voice. I prefer to read that it in good old Emperor's ++ voice ++, it is far more appropriate for cryptic meanings ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287453-the-traitor-primarch-and-the-missing-legions/#findComment-3614161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilbram_Harker Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Guys, how about we look at this from a different angle. "What if" the one of two missing Primarchs challenged The God Emperor, like some of the other Primarchs, and actually won? The other of the two Primarch I leave alone because it was hinted in one of the books that he/she (none of us know, come at me bro) had ways of "concealing" him/her. Also, think about if it was possible that some of the chromosomes were running out. i.e. instead of XY chromosomes, the Y ran out so someone in the Primarch Project decided to go waifu and literally created a "Daughter of the Emperor". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287453-the-traitor-primarch-and-the-missing-legions/#findComment-3618627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Hence the custodians & sisters of silence Custodian primarch died whilst the sister cloaked herself Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/287453-the-traitor-primarch-and-the-missing-legions/#findComment-3618643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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