Sneakily Hidden Isstvan Collectors Edition pics & vid stills

[Kol Saresk]

Wait, I just noticed this myself and I haven't looked through the previous five pages to see if it has been remarked upon, but has anyone else noticed that the upright and justice loving Raven Guard who have their roots as freedom fighters on Deliverance have a Moritat for a Special Character? Heathens, I think someone has been listening to you. Maybe the Carcharadons do come from the Raven Guard.......

[Olis]

One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist, brother. Tbh, I'm not surprised that a Moritat special character has surfaced amongst one of the 'cleaner' legions. It adds character. That's something that Alan Bligh seems to do very well.

 

Edit: Typo.

[Kol Saresk]

One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist, brother. Tbh, I'm not surprised that a Moritat special character has surfaced amongst one of the 'cleaner' legions. It adds character. That's something that Alan Bligh seems to do very well.

 

Edit: Typo.

lol, true on the first statement. If it was the older fluff where the Raven Guard made an army of abominations, sure I might expect it, but since it all turned into a tragic accident courtesy of Gav Thorpe, it just seems so shocking for Destroyers to have such prestige amongst the XIX Legion.

 

EDIT: Well, not "prestige" per se, but you get what I mean.

[helterskelter]

I don't fathom why people think these loyal legions aren't going to react in a less than reasonable fashion to betrayal on a gross scale. It's not like they are made up of well rounded adults who have had real life. Genetically engineered superkids are going to act petulantly. And violently. Even the primarchs are more childish than I'd like at points *cough cough fulgrim cough*

Anyway back on point, I think this collectors edition is going to make it on my shelf. Its just too cool.

[depthcharge12]

Is the full list that includes javelin and sicarans only in the LE book set or is it in Book 3 too?

 

That's really what I want is the compiled units so they aren't spread across everywhere.

[Kol Saresk]

Is the full list that includes javelin and sicarans only in the LE book set or is it in Book 3 too?

 

That's really what I want is the compiled units so they aren't spread across everywhere.

It's in something that they're calling the "Legiones Astartes - Isstvan Campaign Legions", which looks like a compiled version of every single unit ever listed within the realm of the Isstvan Campaign. Basically, a way to get your hands on the units and rules without buying all three books while sacrificing the fluff. But no idea if it will be a LE set only or not.

[Erren]

Is the full list that includes javelin and sicarans only in the LE book set or is it in Book 3 too?

 

That's really what I want is the compiled units so they aren't spread across everywhere.

It's only in the LE set.  That said, the art book is described as being exclusive to the LE set, but the compiled army list is not described as exclusive.  So one could reasonably assume that they plan on releasing it separately at a later date. 

 

I find its inclusion interesting.  At last year's events FW said they planned on releasing a new generic list with each trilogy.  So presumably this book would be out of date as soon as Book IV is released.  But that's just informed speculation on my part.

[Kol Saresk]

I don't fathom why people think these loyal legions aren't going to react in a less than reasonable fashion to betrayal on a gross scale. It's not like they are made up of well rounded adults who have had real life. Genetically engineered superkids are going to act petulantly. And violently. Even the primarchs are more childish than I'd like at points *cough cough fulgrim cough*

Anyway back on point, I think this collectors edition is going to make it on my shelf. Its just too cool.

Here's the thing. This is immediately following Isstvan V for the Raven Guard. Meaning that they had Destroyers before the Betrayal. After the Betrayal, it would make sense. But before, well it looks like Forgeworld is going back to the good ol' days when there were no good guys. Just bad guys and monsters.

Is the full list that includes javelin and sicarans only in the LE book set or is it in Book 3 too?

That's really what I want is the compiled units so they aren't spread across everywhere.

It's only in the LE set. That said, the art book is described as being exclusive to the LE set, but the compiled army list is not described as exclusive. So one could reasonably assume that they plan on releasing it separately at a later date.

I find its inclusion interesting. At last year's events FW said they planned on releasing a new generic list with each trilogy. So presumably this book would be out of date as soon as Book IV is released. But that's just informed speculation on my part.

Well technically not "out of date", it would just be the generic list for the Isstvan Campaign.

[Adra'Melek]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the RG special character can't join a Destroyer squad so he actually doesn't have any link to destroyers at all.  He doesn't carry rad grenades or phosphex bombs.  Just has a couple of pistols and chain fire. Hardly the weapons of a 'bad guy' :)

 

Although so far only the Salamanders can't use destroyers and it's said that most legions have them on board, if just for xenocide.

 

And I think the general Great Crusade army lists are in one book (Legiones Astartes - Crusade Army List) and the Legion specific units are in another (Legiones Astartes - Isstvan Campaign Legions)

[Ouroboros13]

 

Is the full list that includes javelin and sicarans only in the LE book set or is it in Book 3 too?

 

That's really what I want is the compiled units so they aren't spread across everywhere.

It's only in the LE set.  That said, the art book is described as being exclusive to the LE set, but the compiled army list is not described as exclusive.  So one could reasonably assume that they plan on releasing it separately at a later date. 

 

I find its inclusion interesting.  At last year's events FW said they planned on releasing a new generic list with each trilogy.  So presumably this book would be out of date as soon as Book IV is released.  But that's just informed speculation on my part.

 

Well, the formal name of the current list is the Space Marine Legion Crusade Army List. It seems entirely possible to me that it will be followed by the Space Marine Legion Heresy Army List, representing the Legions-as-they-fought-the-Heresy as opposed to the Legions-as-they-fought-the-Great Crusade.

 

(The logical list name for the final trilogy would, I suppose, be the Space Marine Legion Siege Army List, to represent the Legions fighting the Siege of Terra).

 

So it wouldn't so much out-of-date as representing different periods.

[Kol Saresk]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the RG special character can't join a Destroyer squad so he actually doesn't have any link to destroyers at all. He doesn't carry rad grenades or phosphex bombs. Just has a couple of pistols and chain fire. Hardly the weapons of a 'bad guy' :)

 

Although so far only the Salamanders can't use destroyers and it's said that most legions have them on board, if just for xenocide.

 

And I think the general Great Crusade army lists are in one book (Legiones Astartes - Crusade Army List) and the Legion specific units are in another (Legiones Astartes - Isstvan Campaign Legions)

I don't see anything that says he can't join a Destroyer squad and he is a Moritat, whcih IIRC is the Centurion upgrade that could join the Destroyers an according to his bio, he was codemned to the prison of Deliverance as a murderer who went by the name "Blood-Crow" and fought for "freedom" because he was given a pardon on the condition he only killed those Corax told him to. It even goes on to say that he was shunned by pretty much the rest of the Legion.

 

So, as a Night Lord fan, I wouldn't say he was a "good guy". ;)

[depthcharge12]

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but the RG special character can't join a Destroyer squad so he actually doesn't have any link to destroyers at all. He doesn't carry rad grenades or phosphex bombs. Just has a couple of pistols and chain fire. Hardly the weapons of a 'bad guy' :)

Although so far only the Salamanders can't use destroyers and it's said that most legions have them on board, if just for xenocide.

And I think the general Great Crusade army lists are in one book (Legiones Astartes - Crusade Army List) and the Legion specific units are in another (Legiones Astartes - Isstvan Campaign Legions)

I don't see anything that says he can't join a Destroyer squad and he is a Moritat, whcih IIRC is the Centurion upgrade that could join the Destroyers an according to his bio, he was codemned to the prison of Deliverance as a murderer who went by the name "Blood-Crow" and fought for "freedom" because he was given a pardon on the condition he only killed those Corax told him to. It even goes on to say that he was shunned by pretty much the rest of the Legion.

So, as a Night Lord fan, I wouldn't say he was a "good guy". ;)

Ah Kol, take a closer look at his special rules...he can't join ANY squad, even destroyers. It's part of his whole gig.

[Kol Saresk]

I have to admit failure to see that. All I see is the rule that he is deployed after even the Infiltrators are set and that he cannot be the compulsory HQ or the Warlord.

[Tyrannicide]

Last sentence of the 'Ill omened' rule.

 

"He may not join units of any kind during either deployment or during play."

[Ashmantle]

For those having trouble to read the text on the Raven Guard Moritat:

 

 

Moritat-Prime Kaedes Nex
The Raven's Huntman, "Blood-Crow", attached to the 14th [?] Company of the Raven Guard

HQ

A dark figure of gruesome repute amongst the tightly-knit survivors of Deliverance, Kaedes is seen as an ill-omen(?) by his brothers. On Kiavahr in his youth he was known as the Blood Crow, an infamous murderer condemned to rot on the moon-prison. There he remained, until Corvus Corax offered him freedomand a pardon if he fought alongside the other rebels and limited his targets to those chosen by his new master.

After enduring a painful late transformation to a Space Marine, it was only by the continued favor shown to him by Corax that he remained within the ranks of the Raven Guard, with few of his brothers willing to tolerate his macabre obsession with the hunt. Yet in the grim shadow-wars fought by the Raven Guard in furtherance of the Emperor's grand plan, his murder-honed skills were employed with grim regularity.

When the Raven Guard came to Isstvan V, Kaedes came with them, vanishing into the wastes to stalk the Traitors on his own terms. Nothing is recorded of his role in either the retreat from the massacre or the days that followed, and some maintain that not all of the Traitor craft to later leave Isstvan V carried only the followers of Horus, that Kaedes continued his private war in the shadows of the Horus Heresy.


Wargear
-Power Armour
-Two Fulcrum hand cannon
-Frag & krak grenades
-Refractor field
-Shroud bombs
-Melta bombs
-Cameleoline(?)

Special Rules
-Legiones Astartes (Raven Guard)
-Counter attack
-Ill-omened
-Relentless Stalker
-The Raven's Vengeance
-Gunfighter
-Independent Character
-Chain Fire

Relentless Stalker:
During Deployment select one enemy Elites or HQ choice as Kaedes Nex's chosen prey. Instead of deploying normally, Kaedes Nex may be deployed after all other units and infiltrators have been set up and may be placed anywhere within 18" of his chosen prey as long as he remains out of sight of all enemy units, gaining the Shrouded rule for the first game turn of play.

The Raven's Vengeance:
When in combat with a unit chosen as his prey (see Relentless Stalker), Kaedes Nex gains the Zealot special rule. If the unit is destroyed as the result of a combat in wich Kaedes Nex is involved, or during a Shooting phase in which he inflicted one or more wounds on the unit, an additional Victory point is scored for the Raven Guard in games in which Victory points are used.

Ill-omened:
Kaedes Nex may not be selected as an army's compulsory HQ choice, and may not be selected as the army's Warlord, even if he has the highest Leadership value. He may not join units of any kind during either deployment or during play.

Gunfighter:
So skilled is Kaedes in the use of pistols as weapons of murder, that he may use his pair of Fulcrum hand cannon in close combat, using the strength, AP and special rules listed on its standard profile instead of those listed in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook. Note tht Kaedes does claim the +1 attack bonus ffor using two Fulcrum hand cannon in close combat.

Fulcrum hand cannon:
These ornate weapons are artefacts of the Tech Guilds of [?], looted from one of the many armouries overrun during the rebellion. As with many Guild tech, these weapons are primitive by the standards of the Mechanicum, but brutally effective nonetheless, using electrically charged rounds of massive size to pulerize their targets, stunning any who survive the impact, the Fulcrum is a lethal weapon in the hands of a skilled marksman.

Fulcrum hand cannon Range 18" Str 4 AP 4 Type Pistol, Rending, Concussive
 

[Kol Saresk]

Last sentence of the 'Ill omened' rule.

 

"He may not join units of any kind during either deployment or during play."

Ah, okay. Thanks for pointing it out.

[depthcharge12]

Wow...

 

 

He gets a VP each time he wounds his unit each phase?

 

 

He could blast his prey squad with the chain fire, then if the unit charges him and he wins, the RG player gets 2 VPs

[Kol Saresk]

No, he gets a victory point if the unit chosen as his prey is destroyed in a round of combat he is involved in or in a Shooting Phase that he did one or more Wounds. So only one extra VP.

 

EDIT: On a side note, I want to see how these Alpha Legion Headhunters shape up.

[Malus Trux]

Bah I was planning on running an allied RG detachment with a vigilator as HQ but Kaedes Nex seems like a mixed bag of fun & doom. Is it wrong I wanna model him in a duster, twin pistols blazing at separate targets & possibly a hat?

[Kol Saresk]

 

Bah I was planning on running an allied RG detachment with a vigilator as HQ but Kaedes Nex seems like a mixed bag of fun & doom. Is it wrong I wanna model him in a duster, twin pistols blazing at separate targets & possibly a hat?

Yes. Because Jonah Hex wore a Confederate uniform. ;)

[Yogi]

Does anyone know which song is used in the teaser in op?

[Kastor Krieg]

That Imperial Fist Assault Marine's colour scheme is awesome!

Yes, I got all giggly over that as well. Actually, it's hard not to like the IF considering all the things FW has done so far.

WOOT, my predictions were true! :ninja:

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279059-black-templars-1st-if-company-color-scheme/page-4?do=findComment&comment=3634051

Also, DAAAAAMN, Sigismund's stats and Pollux's two-Fists-at-Initiative!

[Adra'Melek]

I don't see anything that says he can't join a Destroyer squad and he is a Moritat, whcih IIRC is the Centurion upgrade that could join the Destroyers an according to his bio, he was codemned to the prison of Deliverance as a murderer who went by the name "Blood-Crow" and fought for "freedom" because he was given a pardon on the condition he only killed those Corax told him to. It even goes on to say that he was shunned by pretty much the rest of the Legion.

So, as a Night Lord fan, I wouldn't say he was a "good guy". ;)

I hadn't actually read any of the fluff with him :) not what I would call a 'good guy'. More sharky

[Brother Tyler]

Info on Isstvan Campaign Collector's Edition: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Events/FWod14.html

Update: Collector's Edition is £145, £65 cheaper than buying the 3 books separately

If this is anything like previous Forge World collector's editions, you're not getting all three books. You're only getting the third book, the special book, a poster (not sure if there's a poster in this one, but all of the other CE's had one), and the box that will fit all of the books, including the first two.

 

So you're not saving any money by buying this instead of the first two books.

 

The great news about the collector's edition (okay, it's all great news) is the army list book.

[Týr]

Will the army list book be sold separately?