Iron Hands vs Iron Warriors

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

 

Simple. The Iron Warriors are a battered and dented vintage AK-47. Iron Hands are a modern factory fresh FN SCAR, with every piece of tech possible hooked to it.

 

Both will kill you stone-dead, but one's a lot prettier while it's killin'.

You forgot the IW's stockpile of 80,000 rounds of ammunition for said weapon.

 

They most certainly had a longer view of war than the tenth.

 

I don't know - different, but not necessarily longer. The Tenth were developing new wargear constantly, so stockpiling for existing weaponry that would likely be redundant within a few years beyond the main staples would be inefficient.

[minigun762]

 

 

Simple. The Iron Warriors are a battered and dented vintage AK-47. Iron Hands are a modern factory fresh FN SCAR, with every piece of tech possible hooked to it.

 

Both will kill you stone-dead, but one's a lot prettier while it's killin'.

You forgot the IW's stockpile of 80,000 rounds of ammunition for said weapon.

 

They most certainly had a longer view of war than the tenth.

 

I don't know - different, but not necessarily longer. The Tenth were developing new wargear constantly, so stockpiling for existing weaponry that would likely be redundant within a few years beyond the main staples would be inefficient.

 

In the novels, the Iron Hands come across as impatient to me, always pushing harder and faster, where as the IW take the time required to do it correctly because they know the outcome is inevitable. 

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

 

 

 

Simple. The Iron Warriors are a battered and dented vintage AK-47. Iron Hands are a modern factory fresh FN SCAR, with every piece of tech possible hooked to it.

 

Both will kill you stone-dead, but one's a lot prettier while it's killin'.

You forgot the IW's stockpile of 80,000 rounds of ammunition for said weapon.

 

They most certainly had a longer view of war than the tenth.

 

I don't know - different, but not necessarily longer. The Tenth were developing new wargear constantly, so stockpiling for existing weaponry that would likely be redundant within a few years beyond the main staples would be inefficient.

 

In the novels, the Iron Hands come across as impatient to me, always pushing harder and faster, where as the IW take the time required to do it correctly because they know the outcome is inevitable. 

 

I prefer to use the FW books as my cannon

[BassWave]

I cannot agree more IHF. FW definitely has a better grasp on what makes sense fluff wise.

[Anvilarium]

 

 

 

Simple. The Iron Warriors are a battered and dented vintage AK-47. Iron Hands are a modern factory fresh FN SCAR, with every piece of tech possible hooked to it.

 

Both will kill you stone-dead, but one's a lot prettier while it's killin'.

You forgot the IW's stockpile of 80,000 rounds of ammunition for said weapon.

 

They most certainly had a longer view of war than the tenth.

 

I don't know - different, but not necessarily longer. The Tenth were developing new wargear constantly, so stockpiling for existing weaponry that would likely be redundant within a few years beyond the main staples would be inefficient.

 

In the novels, the Iron Hands come across as impatient to me, always pushing harder and faster, where as the IW take the time required to do it correctly because they know the outcome is inevitable. 

 

Thats because the BL authors who have so far attempted to write Iron Hands stories don't seem to have the faintest clue about how to characterise them, other than to make them all heavily cybernetic and angry. Ferrus has been depicted as an arrogant, impatient and prone to bouts of rage second only to Angron, all of which are utter cr*p.

 

The FW depiction of the Iron Hands is much better, and much closer to how I have always seen them to be.

 

The only time Ferrus was enraged beyond the point of reason was at Isstvan V, when his closest brother (Fulgrim) had betrayed their Father and Ferrus was absolutely outraged and determined to be the one to bring him to justice. That however, is the exception, not the rule. I just wish that someone from BL could see this and actually write a halfway decent Iron Hands story....

[depthcharge12]

 

Simple. The Iron Warriors are a battered and dented vintage AK-47. Iron Hands are a modern factory fresh FN SCAR, with every piece of tech possible hooked to it.

 

Both will kill you stone-dead, but one's a lot prettier while it's killin'.

 

 

Ick... 5.56 NATO... give me a reliable, Russian 7.62 round any day of the week. 

 

Lol the AK shoots 5.45 mm ;) and yes the SCAR-Holycrap shoots 7.62

 

 

Simple. The Iron Warriors are a battered and dented vintage AK-47. Iron Hands are a modern factory fresh FN SCAR, with every piece of tech possible hooked to it.

 

Both will kill you stone-dead, but one's a lot prettier while it's killin'.

 

 

Sooo....what you're saying is:

 

 

Iron Hands are Geardo's

[Hyaenidae]

the original -47 fired 7.62x39. Thus why I said vintage.  ;)

 

 

 

 

And yes, the Iron Hands are Geardo's. But at least they're heartbreakers n' widowmakers, and not Fobbits.

[talos402000]

Alas, Iron Hands versus Iron Warriors is one of those matchups that GW will never do, like Space Wolves versus World Eaters, or Raven Guard versus Night Lords. GW prefers it's grudge matches.

[Marshal Rohr]

Also, having looked into it a little further. Iron Hands seem more cyber punk and Iron Warriors more steam punk. The FW book goes in detail describing all these crazy integrated biotech caches on a dystopian Medusa with living metal guardians, and also describes Perturabo's Olympia as a clanking, steam belching dystopia. 

 

 

Apologies if someone has pointed that out. 

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

Alas, Iron Hands versus Iron Warriors is one of those matchups that GW will never do, like Space Wolves versus World Eaters, or Raven Guard versus Night Lords. GW prefers it's grudge matches.

 

Tell that to the 10th Black Crusade :P

[Marshal Rohr]

Sadly the 10th Black Crusade is now some big warband of Iron Warriors with Daemon Dragon Fighters and some mediocre mechadaemon gargoyles and spiders versus 1000 guys who don't know whether or not they like bionics.

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

Sadly the 10th Black Crusade is now some big warband of Iron Warriors with Daemon Dragon Fighters and some mediocre mechadaemon gargoyles and spiders versus 1000 guys who don't know whether or not they like bionics.

Don't remind me about all the awfulness GW unleashed on 40k Iron Hands - someone needs to get sent on a century-long penitent crusade for the abomination that was the Raukaan supplement

[and the black legion one, if that's where the new atrocious fluff for the 10th Black Crusade came from]

I guess we'll have to hope that FW covers the battle for Tallarn, and that it hasn't been retconned to Iron Warriors vs. Imperial Army, as the previews of the upcoming novel have suggested - I needs me massive Iron Warriors & Iron Hands tank battle [and yes, you Fists can come along too]

[Marshal Rohr]

From my understanding Tallarn is going to be Iron Warriors and some sneaky Alphas in the first phase, then Iron Hands come in as reinforcement to the guys on the ground.

[Machine God]

the original -47 fired 7.62x39. Thus why I said vintage.

And yes, the Iron Hands are Geardo's. But at least they're heartbreakers n' widowmakers, and not Fobbits.

7.62 Short!

[Anvilarium]

From my understanding Tallarn is going to be Iron Warriors and some sneaky Alphas in the first phase, then Iron Hands come in as reinforcement to the guys on the ground.

 

The original story was that the Iron Warriors virus-bombed & then invaded Tallarn, and the Imperial Fists and Iron Hands arrived and re-took the planet along with the Tallarn IG/PDF forces.

 

However, due to the state of the Iron Hands Legion at the current time in the Heresy timeline (ie just at the beginning of the Battle of Tallarn), I have an ever-increasing suspicion that the Iron Hands involvement is going to be retconned out of existence by BL, or their contribution is going to be reduced to a handful of 'Lost Legion' Legionaries....

[Nehekhare]

Tallarn is executed by the bombardment, the sapphire city fallen, paradise lost to a toxic wasteland and the strategic value the planet once had already null and void. I wonder what is left fighting for when the loyalists finally arrive and whether they are just fed into the meatgrinder of a minimal IW armored garrison force - which, once overcome under devastating losses, will of course appear as an overwhelming victory and outstanding heroic efford in later imperial records... 

[Anvilarium]

Tallarn is executed by the bombardment, the sapphire city fallen, paradise lost to a toxic wasteland and the strategic value the planet once had already null and void. I wonder what is left fighting for when the loyalists finally arrive and whether they are just fed into the meatgrinder of a minimal IW armored garrison force - which, once overcome under devastating losses, will of course appear as an overwhelming victory and outstanding heroic efford in later imperial records... 

 

There is a huge quantity of military assets still on the planet, in the various underground bases, plus maintenance facilities, barracks etc. Not much of use to Astartes, but definitely enough military hardware to bolster Traitor Guard.

[FunkyMonkey]

I think one of the 40K stories talk about a chaos artifact buried on Tallarn

[Raulmichile]

I think one of the 40K stories talk about a chaos artifact buried on Tallarn

The "Cursus" if I'm not mistaken

[lokkorex]

damn them if they don't bring the seventh and the tenth to the biggest tank party ever...